Law Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling

[rearnakedchoke]

If they take govt funding, they shouldn’t have a choice.

 

[Yehudim]

They really ought to be shut down and stop saving kids because of some new trend.

 

[Halifax]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve

Religion has no place in politics, so your are entitled to your beliefs, but legal systems affecting the whole country should not be based on them.

You might disagree because you currently have the largest religion in North America but If another religion suddenly gained majority in the usa and wanted some extreme changes based on their beliefs you would suddenly agree religion should not have any say in politics.

You can't flip flop that view just because you are no longer the majority.

 

[Chappi]

GTFO with kids need a mother and father.
If kids need a mother and father, then may I suggest removing all kids who lost a parent to divorce or death and even kids who's dads are deployed for months on end.
I mean a one parent household is not a mom and dad situation, now is it.
Kids have to be removed from those horrible situations at once.

 

[BFoe]

Good decision, but I disagree that it’s very relevant to the CO baker. There is a world of difference between an actual religious institution, like a church, Catholic charity, etc., and someone claiming their bakery, chicken sandwich shop, or arts and craft store is “Christian” because the owner is Christian.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Religion has no place in politics, so your are entitled to your beliefs, but legal systems affecting the whole country should not be based on them.

You might disagree because you currently have the largest religion in North America but If another religion suddenly gained majority in the usa and wanted some extreme changes based on their beliefs you would suddenly agree religion should not have any say in politics.

You can't flip flop that view just because you are no longer the majority.

I'm a religious minority and I strongly disagree, nothing wrong with religion influencing politics. We live in a democracy and that means that our personal moral values are going to play some part in ordering the public sphere and those values, for many people, are strongly influenced by religion. The abolition and civil rights movements had a strong religious component to them. Was it wrong for the abolitionists and CR activists to impose their moral vision, which was strongly influenced by their religious beliefs, on the rest of the country?

As long as religious minorities like myself have the right to freely exercise our religion then I don't care if the religious tradition of the majority influences public policy, its only expected that the traditional religion of a people will have an influence on public life.

 

[fedoriswar37]

If a catholic foster agency wants the kids there to go to a home with mother father then what's the problem? If they have a good track record with finding stable homes for kids who cares.

 

[Halifax]

I'm a religious minority and I strongly disagree, nothing wrong with religion influencing politics. We live in a democracy and that means that our personal moral values are going to play some part in ordering the public sphere and those values, for many people, are strongly influenced by religion. The abolition and civil rights movements had a strong religious component to them. Was it wrong for the abolitionists and CR activists to impose their moral vision, which was strongly influenced by their religious beliefs, on the rest of the country?

As long as religious minorities like myself have the right to freely exercise our religion then I don't care if the religious tradition of the majority influences public policy, its only expected that the traditional religion of a people will have an influence on public life.

You are a good rational guy. Stable, nice, moral and compassionate. If everyone was like you, I wouldn't mind religion in politics either. You are not pushy with your beliefs that I have seen.

The problem is the flipside of the coin.

Perhaps saying "no place in politics" was an overreach. But exceptionally marginalized in politics is necessary.

I sat through the conservative convention in 2018 and their voting and speeches on important matters. Despite the merge between the alliance/reform and the red Tories PC, that party is still very very split and the alliance half is still very very religious and some of the shit they wanted to vote on and were adamant about boggled my mind because the average Canadian would never vote for it. Some of them come across like the freaking Westboro Baptist church.

Fortunately, the party is more PC than alliance and while they entertain some of the more fiscal conservative ideas from alliance(a 2 tiered healthcare system to attract more surgeons and doctors to stay in canada instead of immediately moving to the usa, lower taxes, less government more provincial oversight), they tend to outvote the more bizarre heavy dogma areas the alliance wants to pursue as Important.

Canada isn't doing away with abortion, or making crimes of sodomy again to make sex between men illegal. The fact that they(certain alliance members) still vehemently pursue these things like they are feasible targets is mind boggling to me. If they ever gained a majority in rhe conservative party (they won't I hope)then I would not be voting for them.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You are a good rational guy. Stable, nice, moral and compassionate. If everyone was like you, I wouldn't mind religion in politics either. You are not pushy with your beliefs that I have seen.

The problem is the flipside of the coin.

Perhaps saying "no place in politics" was an overreach. But exceptionally marginalized in politics is necessary.

I sat through the conservative convention in 2018 and their voting and speeches on important matters. Despite the merge between the alliance/reform and the red Tories PC, that party is still very very split and the alliance half is still very very religious and some of the shit they wanted to vote on and were adamant about boggled my mind because the average Canadian would never vote for it. Some of them come across like the freaking Westboro Baptist church.

Fortunately, the party is more PC than alliance and while they entertain some of the more fiscal conservative ideas from alliance(a 2 tiered healthcare system to attract more surgeons and doctors to stay in canada instead of immediately moving to the usa, lower taxes, less government more provincial oversight), they tend to outvote the more bizarre heavy dogma areas the alliance wants to pursue as Important.

Canada isn't doing away with abortion, or making crimes of sodomy again to make sex between men illegal. The fact that they(certain alliance members) still vehemently pursue these things like they are feasible targets is mind boggling to me. If they ever gained a majority in rhe conservative party (they won't I hope)then I would not be voting for them.

Well many people agree with you and would like to see religion completely expunged from the public sphere. And don't get me wrong, I don't deny that there are some nutty ideas from the religious right but my point is simply that religion is a belief system not unlike any other. People will agitate for laws based on their belief in feminism or socialism or libertarianism but somehow religion is off limits? I don't agree with that.

 

[Ruke Doufus]

Since god is responsible for creation he is also responsible for making people gay

While I disagree with the bigotry and double standards of religious based organizations, they should have the right to refuse whoever they want to. Just find a non religious agency and use that. As long as you pass the "test" for being parents, it shouldnt matter what kind of relationship people have.

Sexual relations should not be anyone else buisness unless its hurting people.

It's clear you don't believe the same things, but consider another point of view. The Catholic people believe that being gay will make you go to hell. By handing off a child to be raised in that household there is an increased risk of them going to hell also. If this was what you believed, it is in fact hurting them to do so from your point of view.