Elections ***Tenth Democratic Debate play-by-play thread*** (South Carolina)

[Fawlty]

....Haha that’s the joke. Perro is more reserved as a derogatory name for women as in ‘perra’ btw

Next you'll tell me that "El Lol" is not auténtico either.

 

[franklinstower]

You linked to a post that directly argues against what you just accused me of (lying about supporting Sanders).

I say that you guys are lucky that I'm supporting him, and that you wouldn't do the same in my shoes.

ffs, get your shit together. I like Sanders, but I don't like his fans. I've been very clear about this for a very long time. And you could probably find where I came out for Sanders on the forum. I was supporting him for a while before that, but there is an absolute minimum date out there.

If that thread represents your support of Sanders then he doesn't need any enemies. Its OK man go ahead and be slippery.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...primary-thread.4084283/page-13#post-158964873


Here is more from that thread I just linked from Mike about you.

Yup.

it is a very Trumpian smear @Fawlty is using, and that cannot be denied. And it is, taking words from @Jack V Savage something that can make the whole progressive project crash.

The Democratic establishment as a whole should be as active as possible in dispelling the Trumpian smear 'socialist' label as it is being used as a slight, as they KNOW what they are pretending it is which is not what Bernies current platform represents.

Do they think if Bernie wins that type of dishonesty won't be quoted by Trump. He will applaud and echo their dishonest use.

Is there enough awareness amongst the establishment Dems to see that or is only what Bernie bro's do destructive to long term success?

 

[AlexDB9]

I almost want him to win just so some vegan group runs up on his inauguration speech steals his podium again and pours milk on their tits

 

[blaseblah]

Yeah, but it's amusing contrasting the tough talk about Castro with the nuanced realpolitik that's invoked when it comes to Saudi Arabia and China.

Fucking Florida and it's coveted swing state status is probably the only reason we haven't fixed that situation.

 

[Trotsky]

you’re an idiot. I can send you a Wikipedia link too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba

That link clearly states that the Cuban government prevented people from leaving Cuba without express permission from the government. Even talking about unauthorized travel was punishable by 6 months in prison. You’re such a liar. No one is saying the government should pay for their flights out, that wasn’t the issue. The issue was the government not allowing people to board the plane to leave. Do you not think Livan Hernandez had the money to leave? Why didn’t the Cuban government let him go? What about Ardolis Chapman? You’re a liar and a hack.

So we've now changed to the issue of human rights generally? And, yes, most countries outside of a liberal trade zone like the EU criminalize unauthorized emigration, particularly if you lack proper authorization or have a reason to be lacking it (if you're a felon trying to fly out of the United States, you're going to have a bad time). For Cuba, which had hostile neighbors using exiles to smuggle in contraband and plan terrorist attacks and attacks like Bay of Pigs, more stringent requirements were in place, especially during the years immediately following the revolution. That doesn't change the fact that the Cuban government not only didn't prevent people from leaving: it actively coordinated in allowing dissidents to defect, as you would, again, know if you read that link and had some working knowledge of the issue.

I don't watch baseball, so I can't speak about Livan Hernandez or Ardolis Chapman. But something tells me they won't be the catalysts to make your argument remotely coherent.

 

[Trotsky]

Man, so greedy!

Yeah, it's a terrible look. Haven't seen verification, but I've seen that figure stated a few times.

 

[MasterSeagal]

Yeah it's a really annoying thing. Ironically, assholes like Bloomberg can shoot laser-straight about stuff like this, while candidates I prefer have to massage it to death.

Bloomberg is constantly walking back his takes though. Seeing as he's presenting himself as a benevolent oligarch it might be better for him not to apologize.

 

[AlexDB9]

Fucking Florida and it's coveted swing state status is probably the only reason we haven't fixed that situation.

Im reading a lot of people here wildly underestimating the Cuban vote in Florida. Cubans weren’t too happy with Trump to say the least and he lost my county where he has Mar-a-Lago. People in Miami are pissed and they don’t forget. People forget the Marlins fired Guillén just for associating the castro name to himself

 

[TheBlondBomber]

So we've now changed to the issue of human rights generally? And, yes, most countries outside of a liberal trade zone like the EU criminalize unauthorized emigration, particularly if you lack proper authorization or have a reason to be lacking it (if you're a felon trying to fly out of the United States, you're going to have a bad time). For Cuba, which had hostile neighbors using exiles to smuggle in contraband and plan terrorist attacks and attacks like Bay of Pigs, more stringent requirements were in place, especially during the years immediately following the revolution. That doesn't change the fact that the Cuban government not only didn't prevent people from leaving: it actively coordinated in allowing dissidents to defect, as you would, again, know if you read that link and had some working knowledge of the issue.

I don't watch baseball, so I can't speak about Livan Hernandez or Ardolis Chapman. But something tells me they won't be the catalysts to make your argument remotely coherent.

Lmao. You couldn’t scroll to the immigration and travel section of the page regarding Cuba’s human rights violations? So many violations. But yes, continue to avoid addressing the point that until 2013 that Cubans couldn’t leave Cuba without official government permission. It was so bad that people used dinghies to sail across the Mediterranean to escape the Castro regime. Yet in a previous post you imply that people just couldn’t afford tickets and the Cuban government didn’t pay for their flights to leave. As if that makes Cuba look better. People were so poor and wanted to leave, but couldn’t afford tickets so they sailed across the Mediterranean in a small boat.


Go back to the circus, clown.

 

[Fawlty]

If that thread represents your support of Sanders then he doesn't need any enemies. Its OK man go ahead and be slippery.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...primary-thread.4084283/page-13#post-158964873


Here is more from that thread I just linked from Mike about you.

Yup.

it is a very Trumpian smear @Fawlty is using, and that cannot be denied. And it is, taking words from @Jack V Savage something that can make the whole progressive project crash.

The Democratic establishment as a whole should be as active as possible in dispelling the Trumpian smear 'socialist' label as it is being used as a slight, as they KNOW what they are pretending it is which is not what Bernies current platform represents.

Do they think if Bernie wins that type of dishonesty won't be quoted by Trump. He will applaud and echo their dishonest use.

Is there enough awareness amongst the establishment Dems to see that or is only what Bernie bro's do destructive to long term success?

You may not like me or my positions, but you did accuse me of lying about supporting Sanders.

(here's how you link to a post properly):
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/157972777/

I also posted a pic of me donating to his campaign, though I blacked out everything.

That's from 6 weeks ago, and I'd say I jumped from Pete to Sanders at least a month before that? Some time in December, anyhow. And Sanders has consistently been among my favorites (above people like Biden, Harris, etc.) and slowly gaining my favor as others have come and gone.

You should try to be right when you call somebody a liar. If you don't like somebody or like what they say, you shouldn't twist reality to fit your emotions.

Apologize, please.

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[Fawlty]

NBC YT channel seems to be replaying the debate from the top (and it's time-clickable), if anyone is interested:

 

[Trotsky]

Lmao. You couldn’t scroll to the immigration and travel section of the page regarding Cuba’s human rights violations? So many violations. But yes, continue to avoid addressing the point that until 2013 that Cubans couldn’t leave Cuba without official government permission. It was so bad that people used dinghies to sail across the Mediterranean to escape the Castro regime. Yet in a previous post you imply that people just couldn’t afford tickets and the Cuban government didn’t pay for their flights to leave. As if that makes Cuba look better. People were so poor and wanted to leave, but couldn’t afford tickets so they sailed across the Mediterranean in a small boat.


Go back to the circus, clown.

So, again, you can't address the issue and your claims that Castro prevented his people from leaving his rule. I mean, given that you live in a country (state?) that contains tens of thousands of defectors whose defection was not only permitted but outright assisted by the Cuban government, I can see why you're not keen to stick to the parameters of your argument.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

You

you are correct. It is “bros”. It autocorrects to bro’s on the mobile site for me.

But Bernie condemning authoritarianism is not the same as condemning Castro in the eyes of Cubans. Just imagine for a second if a right wing politician refused to condemn a fascist leader by name and only praise them for their perceived good works. It would be alarming for a political leader to actively praise a former dictator.

Lol Trump has praised Kim Jong Un, Putin, and MBS. Current dictators.

I agree it’s not a good look, but it’s not for either of them.

 

[franklinstower]

You may not like me or my positions, but you did accuse me of lying about supporting Sanders.

(here's how you link to a post properly):
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/157972777/

I also posted a pic of me donating to his campaign, though I blacked out everything.

That's from 6 weeks ago, and I'd say I jumped from Pete to Sanders at least a month before that? Some time in December, anyhow. And Sanders has consistently been among my favorites (above people like Biden, Harris, etc.) and slowly gaining my favor as others have come and gone.

You should try to be right when you call somebody a liar. If you don't like somebody or like what they say, you shouldn't twist reality to fit your emotions.

Apologize, please.

You being slippery will not undo the disingenuous posts you make towards Bernie and his supporters. I gave you a sincere compliment as I thought you had come around. I see now you are the same ass hat that was shit on endlessly in this thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...primary-thread.4084283/page-13#post-158964873

Its time for centrists like you to grow up, admit defeat, and unite the party like adults would do. This is not helping the dems and is only helping Trump.

They need to practice what they were preaching before what they were preaching in this election was relevant.

Its time to unite the party. The party is now a progressive party. I am pissed that they will not do what they said they would do and that they should do.

We need them to defeat Trump, the most dangerous president in modern history.

 

[AlexDB9]

Lmao. You couldn’t scroll to the immigration and travel section of the page regarding Cuba’s human rights violations? So many violations. But yes, continue to avoid addressing the point that until 2013 that Cubans couldn’t leave Cuba without official government permission. It was so bad that people used dinghies to sail across the Mediterranean to escape the Castro regime. Yet in a previous post you imply that people just couldn’t afford tickets and the Cuban government didn’t pay for their flights to leave. As if that makes Cuba look better. People were so poor and wanted to leave, but couldn’t afford tickets so they sailed across the Mediterranean in a small boat.


Go back to the circus, clown.

Yeah I found that reply amazing to read, I know the comrade has me on ignore but when he was man enough to reply, he proved to me he didn’t know a thing about what he spoke. I think he eventually told me in a fit that he installed pipes in the Dominican Republic once as if that had anything to do with the conversation. You won’t get much but a lot of writing with nothing to say, trust me

 

[TheBlondBomber]

You
Lol Trump has praised Kim Jong Un, Putin, and MBS. Current dictators.

I agree it’s not a good look, but it’s not for either of them.

trump has also talked a lot of shit on those guys too. Nary a foul word is said about Castro by Bernie.

 

[Sketch]

Amy and Liz were kind of just...there, I think? They did okay but nothing stands out to me. Warren > Amy.

Steyer was friendly and said some nice things about Sanders.

Bloomberg might have clearly won the debate had he spoken more. He was the most poised and gave consistently solid answers.

Sanders hung in there fine, but was a bit frenetic and fussy.

Biden was there. Strong on foreign policy.

Pete wasn't.


I gotta give it to Bloomberg.

We’ve officially come full circle. Almost like disk golf.

 

[Fawlty]

You being slippery will not undo the disingenuous posts you make towards Bernie and his supporters. I have you a sincere compliment as I thought you had come around. I see now you are the same ass hat that was shit on endlessly in this thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...primary-thread.4084283/page-13#post-158964873

Its time for centrists like you to grow up, admit defeat, and unite the party like adults would do. This is not helping the dems and is only helping Trump.

They need to practice what they were preaching before what they were preaching in this election was relevant.

Its time to unite the party. The party is now a progressive party. I am pissed that they will not do what they said they would do and that they should do.

We need them to defeat Trump, the most dangerous president in modern history.

Okay, you don't like that I'm critical in my support. That's okay.

But you accused me of lying about being a Sanders supporter, but I've shown you that I'm not only favoring him at this point and going back more than 6 weeks, but told you that I've given to his campaign (and only his campaign). So you need to acknowledge that, whether or not you're going to continue to employ your ratfuck, bitchslit, "no true Sanders fan" fallacy.

Jive turkey cunt.

 

[AlexDB9]

Okay, you don't like that I'm critical in my support. That's okay.

But you accused me of lying about being a Sanders supporter, but I've shown you that I'm not only favoring him at this point and going back more than 6 weeks, but told you that I've given to his campaign (and only his campaign). So you need to acknowledge that, whether or not you're going to continue to employ your ratfuck, bitchslit, "no true Sanders fan" fallacy.

Jive turkey cunt.

Damn....why got to do the preacher like that?