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Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by EzFlyer, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    Yep.. but JB lost all his money this weekend and is pissed about it. He's also obsessed with unit sizes which looking at his avatar is not surprising.
     
  2. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    1. From 9/24/16 to end of October you lost over 70u. Thats over 70% of a bankroll, damn near crippling any fool dumb enough to pay for your lies. Could've swore someone had another tracker that showed other losses that totaled up to 100 but ffs thats still over 70u.

    2. Typically thats 6u under a standard bankroll. But last time I exposed you, when you admitted 1u irl = 5u on your tout site, you also admitted you use a larger bankroll so how tf do you all of a sudden use $50 = 1u?

    Look, all anyone has to do is check you stats for past few months since I last had to expose you. Youve mostly almost gone back to normal unit bets (1-5), good job. But just look before that, and ALL your bets are inflated as fuck and ALL double digit. So its laughable youre arguing it, when youre tracked lol I just implore people to look beyond your bullshit.

    3. Idk how educating people on what youre really doing helps you? But OK whatever. At least I make it clear to anyone who is fooled by you that in reality you are a fat scumbag doing his best to hop on the trend of taking advantage of the tout market with inflated numbers.
     
  3. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    He's obsessed with unit sizes JDB .. but look at that avy lol

    It's hard to be too hard on the guy though, he is a winner sort of, I mean, he did win the 1992 lead paint chip eating contest so…
     
  4. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    Well youre dumb enough to put your full name on your site, and a google search of that name returns a facebook of a morbidly obese man in a UFC shirt. I mean, how many JR Dennison's who watch UFC can really exist....
     
  5. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    Dude, I don't know lol but i don't even own a fucking UFC shirt
    And JR is not my real name you fucking dumb shit I am a junior it is a nickname
     
  6. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    OK man i'm sure there just so happens to be another JR Dennison who likes UFC enough to own a shirt

    Another JR Dennison who no longer comes up on Facebook search. Interesting. Im sure its just a coincidence and has nothing to do with letting everyone know youre a fat fuck last time I exposed you

    EDIT oooh and your website now says JR Denn instead of your full name like it used to. Just all a coincidence im sure
     
  7. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    1. Ok... i'm not sure you know how this works. It goes by months and if I have a bad couple of weeks it's going to show that in a snapshot. However, I have multiple bets rolling at all times which means that at any one time I can be down or I can be up. The only way you can get a true reading is when you look over the course of a full month (which is still too small sample size in my opinion) but 90 days, 180 days or in a year are good estimations of where that bettor is at. This is why I have a third-party tracking site so people like you don't have to accuse me of being a scam artist. Unfortunately for you, I am far over on units won and ROI for a year.


    2. Last time you exposed me? Did you get a key to City Hall for that? Was there a tickertape parade in your honor? Anyway, what I personally bet on CT or my site may differ but I never go over 11 units as a bet which is $550. That is not an outlandish amount. One unit is $50 again. With a unit been 1% of your bankroll. That's the only time that I have differing figures ass on my break Kelly sometimes but wouldn't want a follower to do that.


    3. The only thing that you have made clear is that you or infatuated with "inflated unit sizes" and that you won the paint chipping contest of 1992 which I've tried to bring up every chance I get. I'm not going to bring up the fact that you placed fourth in most bath salts consumed in 60 seconds. You placed fourth. Do better next time and I'll bring it up.
     
  8. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    OK man ive bothered with you enough. The proof is in the pudding and i've said all I need to. Anyone with half a brain can see you're one of these trendy scam touts inflating unit sizes to juice your numbers. You denying youre the morbidly obese JR Dennison in the UFC shirt I found when I looked into you a few months ago is just making me realize even more how pathetic you are and not worth anymore time. For now at least, til a few months from now on when you have a good weekend and decide to self promote. Just try not to lose 70u+ in just over a month again.
     
  9. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    Lol wut? Dude you're like Alex Jones level conspiracy paranoid! You're trying to track me down looking for my name my site and shit but you're not worried about me LOL do I need to call the police? Should I be scared?

    I put my name because I don't care. I'm not trying to be fraudulent. And I'm not obese so I'm not worried about pictures ha

    It all seriousness, that's not me bro. I even tried to Google it and can't find it. Post I really don't care. I don't own a UFC shirt I don't know what else to tell you.

    I googled it and all I could find was that I'm a physics professor lol

    There are people ITT who know me IRL and will tell you that's not me and I'm not morbidly obese LOL
     

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  10. MMA Goodfella #Engaged + a Joe-Jitsu Piano Belt Capper

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    I know

    i'm trendy yet I've been in this thread since oblivian created it. They must've changed the word for trendy when they removed Pluto as a planet.

    Searches for me on social media. Looks into my betting site. Researches my statistics. Googles my name. And then says "you are not worth my time". You are like one of those guys who ask a chick out and when she tells you that she's not interested you call her a snob and tell your friend she's a whore. LOL

    As far as finding me in a UFC shirt, believe me or not but I don't own a UFC shirt bro. I'm definitely not morbidly obese. Like I said, people ITT know me outside of this forum and can tell you that. I would like to see the picture though. Like I said, that's not my birth name, I am a junior.
    Again, "you're not worth my time" but…



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  11. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I haven't read your guys back and forth, but pretty sure I know the gist of it. Unit size does matter if you aren't showing any other statistics with it. Most feel unit size should universally be 1% of bankroll, but I really don't think that holds true for a lot of people. Some just define their unit size as X at the beginning of the year and never adjust even if they are up or down big that year. I do think "inflated unit size", which is actually "deflated unit size", is an issue when people talk about winning like 50 units in an event. If they defined their unit size differently, it would be a lot less. So in a way it really exaggerates results, however, it does the same for losses as well.

    To me, it's not really an issue as long as you have other stats like ROI. Someone like MMABettingTips used to bet a shitload of units per event, but he never posted other stats either. When I calculated his ROI, it was pretty fucking low although his units won made it seem like he was doing solid. He very purposely didn't have ROI on there. Actually, I think he went as far as posting ROI after I gave him shit and then removed it when he redid his site because it was very low.
     
  12. waiguoren Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    If one has a dedicated bankroll and never draws on it or deposits to it, then ROI is not nearly as interesting as (current BR)/(starting BR). Maybe one would like to annualize it, but beyond that it's the perfect measure of performance. From this standpoint, ROI discriminates against high-volume players.
     
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    I'm guessing he's referring to this

    https://myspace.com/jrdenn
     
  14. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    Sure. Basically, there has to be more stats than just saying "I'm up ___________ units this year". For a guy like MMABettingTips, it was extremely misleading on how well he was doing. Almost all of his plays were 10 units. He gave no stats besides showing his unit profit. When you looked at growth, ROI, or any other stats, he was not doing very well. He's pretty much the classic example of a tout that tries to manipulate the way his results are. In reality, he's up "15 units" from Oct. 2014 to July 2017. If you adjust the way he shows units, he's really only up 2-5 units over 3 years.
     
  15. waiguoren Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Yeah that's very misleading. What does a guy like that have to gain? Was he trying to run a tout service?
     
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    Yes dude Im sure you've convinced people I'm wrong and not to look into you by displaying how triggered you are
     
  17. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    Replace bettingtips with Goodfella and it's the exact same story. Precisely why idk why he's denying it now. As long as those results are tracked, everyone can see he was trying to follow that trend before I called him out on it a month or two ago

    ROI is good info for knowledgeable people, but I have no doubts people willing to pay a tout look at units first cause that's what translates into money won

    MMAGF knows that too. Precisely why he might try to cover his lies with this argument, but low and behold, his bragging post about his weekend trying to sell himself is ALL about the units won
     
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    MMABettingTips.com

    He was so transparent when he started posting in the threads. He acted as though he was just a member, slowly launched a site because he "likes helping people", and then sure enough he changed it to a heavily marketed tout site.
     
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    I haven't really followed his site or anything like that. Goodfella knows my opinion on tout sites. I think they are pretty stupid, but the target market for tout users is like fish in a barrel. If someone wants to devote a lot of time to MMA gambling, it's hard for me to hate on the fact that they are making side money on tout action.

    Again, I haven't followed MMAGoodfellas results, but MMABettingTips aren't even close to good enough to be able to be a tout. Here are his results over the last 2 years on Cappertek. https://www.cappertek.com/picks.asp?shs=MMABettingTips.com&lastDays=730&sport=ALL#history 2.53% ROI and +32.95 units, which is really a much lower number based on how he defines units. Who the hell would pay for that? Answer: A lot of idiots who gamble on MMA
     
  20. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    I have no problem with touts unless you are like MMAGF and MMABettingTips, using inflation to trick the market. Or like ZeesMMA using $10 = 1u and losing all the time but trying to sell your picks cause you use Youtube and twitter to market yourself hard despite sucking.

    Sounds like literally the exact model MMAGF is using lol. Gotta love a guy who argued earlier "I made one post about my site and my paid winning picks and my site is in my sig. But im always just here to help!"
     

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