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UFC 231 Holloway vs Ortega

Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by JimGunn, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. GoldenWolf87 Brown Belt

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    Because the favorite fighter is at home playing in front of his hometown. But Anders should have being the fav. Elias is to much of a hype train fav and wont be surprised if he loses lol..
     
  2. Cockadoodle Blue Belt

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    Prob not. He's tough, 12-1 but I think the experience gap will be too much for him. No idea what his prep was like. Last fight was 3 weeks ago 1st round stoppage. He dropped the guy pretty quickly then gnp for 4 mins until it was stopped.
    Looking at his record he beat Johnathan brookins in 2016 but he was pretty washed up by then
     
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  3. Gugabe Purple Belt

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    Elias is ultradurable, has good cardio and is the better kickboxer/round winner. You really think we're picking Elias Theodorou since we love him as a hypetrain?
     
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    Easy win for Elias.
     
  5. GoldenWolf87 Brown Belt

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    LOL we shall see and i highly doubt that seems to me the forum has became a bit of a fan cult for Elias just because his fighting in Toronto. dont be so surprised if Elias gets knockouted by Anders.
     
  6. GoldenWolf87 Brown Belt

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    "since we love him as a hypetrain?"
    Yes all i am saying is dont be so surprised in case Andres wins with either a dec or TKO. So many of you are doubting Andres because of his recent performances.
     
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    I thought Eryk Anders looked in great shape at the weigh ins, best I've seen him look, massive difference from last time.

    I'm also starting to believe in Jessica Eye, I think she can use her wrestling to edge out the win. I thought Chook lost to Borella and the stats back that up, Davis fight was close also.

    Already got so many plays though

    Ortega
    Oliveira
    Hakeem
    Burns
     
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    Obviously Santos looks big but he looks bigger also because of poor posture, his shoulders are a bit hunched forward and his neck is also a bit forward which makes the area between his shoulders and upperback look very thick, while Manuwa stands up more straight.
     
  9. Gugabe Purple Belt

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    Anders really doesn't hit that hard.

    Question's honestly whether we get Anders holding Theodorou against the fence for enough time to get the split, or Theodorou playing keepaway for long enough to get the split. I rate Elias' grappling higher than I do Anders' striking, it's in Canada so I feel like Elias probably gets a bump if it's on the edge and Elias seems to understand how to win rounds a lot more inherently than Anders does.

    I mean, no offense to Anders, but he lost that decision to Machida for no good reason whatsoever and he almost cost himself badly against Williams.

    Don't think shape matters as much as Anders fixing his technical holes and being willing to lead consistently. I believe Elias is even the better technical wrestler, as Anders just seems to kind of launch himself at people and rely on his athleticism to let him bully.
     
  10. clemente Blue Belt

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    Tell Conor that
     
  11. Kyle Stephens Purple Belt

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    I've got the same observation. It's something off about him. And I don't have a dog in this fight. Didn't put money on, don't care who is gonna win. Just want to see something amazing and shocking, that is what I live for :D
    Jeez, Raket... Don't be so mean on The Answer. I think the opposite, Frankie would fuck him up bad, something like what he did to Yair, but not so quick.
    ATT is top notch gym, always have trust in their coaching staff and methods. Their corner work is good as well. I think Barroso is much bigger man than Clark, tho. Less technical wrestling, but larger man. Clark should be fighting in the lower weight.
     
  12. NonPhixion Orange Belt

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    One of my bookies had retarded odds on Shevchenko to win via sub @26. Think they made a mistake. what usually happens in this scenario? will they void the bet if it hits.
    Very keen for this main event. should be a great fight. Max should have the edge on the feet, but Ortega mixes up his strikes and switches from Orthodox to Southpaw a lot. I don't think he will end up in a wild boxing match like Aldo did against Holloway. I feel like Aldo was on top until Holloway lured him into throwing down. Ortega has been dangerous in the clinch against shorter fighters, but Holloway's height will make it challenging. If Holloway wins and decides to move up to Lightweight id love to see him fight Ferguson
     
  13. clemente Blue Belt

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    How can Elias be a "hype train", guy is so boring, every fight goes to decision and only against cans, this should be Anders win aesily
     
  14. matthew55 Blue Belt

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    favorite FDNGTD props? I know it kinda crazy to say, but I do like Gadelha and Shev to finish
     
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    Oddly thought Burns and OAM had already foguth a couple of years back with OAM taking a decision.

    Either way, around pick em odds I'll be on OAM. He's durable and Burns is a slick grappler who has fallen in love with his striking. OAM is very durable, probably stronger and has better cardio along. Boxing I'd say it's perhaps even or slight edge to Burns, who has more KO power with OAM having better kicks.

    Think this looks like a lot of OAM fights in terms of clinch work against the fence, landing short knees and just out hustling Burns.

    If it does hit the ground I don't think it's instant death for OAM, he's good enough on top to survive in Burns guard I think. He likes to take people down so if he does it I'd like to see him doing it late in rounds and trying to get to half guard as soon as where he should be relatively safe to see out the last minute or so to tie up close rounds.

    OAM as a pick em seems the call.

    Some good odds this card.
     
  16. Gugabe Purple Belt

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    Gadelha/Shev and OAM/Burn
     
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    Anders should win easily? Like he was winning easily against Tim fucking Williams?
     
  18. clemente Blue Belt

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    Still won
     
  19. Gugabe Purple Belt

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    Next on Spike TV: When Wikicapping goes bad.
     
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    Theodorou kind of struggled with Kelly and Smith, two old guys that aren't athletic or dangerous.

    Anders looking in great shape at the weigh ins, saying all the right things in interviews.

    I think if Ander's comes out and does what he says he's gonna do, he'll win this fight
     

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