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Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by PuertoRican, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. PolarBearPaulVarelans Brown Belt

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    "Conspiracy" when the UFC has already moved an entire major PPV (232) from Las Vegas to Los Angeles a week beforehand JUST to accommodate Jones? Do you have any clue how many thousands of people that fucked over, or the headaches involved? And yet, the UFC did it anyways just to get Jones on the card?

    Or how they made a mockery of USADA to explain away positive drug test after positive drug test for Jones?

    Nevermind that unlike 99% of fights, there is indeed a major financial incentive for the UFC to have Jones win, as he is presently their 2nd biggest draw after Conor, and Reyes is a relative unknown.

    You think it was an accident that all three commentators were licking Jones' ass when he was getting beaten badly, to the point where it literally sounded like "Jones' brutally assaults Reyes' fists with his face! What a combo by the champion!"?

    Or that the robbery was UNANIMOUS while most randomly horrible decisions are at least splits?
     
  2. ill800 Founder of Eugenics Society of Gambling Banned

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    I watched boxing for years until I quit due to fight fixing

    now I’m seeing it in the ufc. Plain as day. Call a spade a spade
     
  3. Dave Henderson Orange Belt

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    The thing is - if they were boxing judges that's just more indication they should have scored the fight for Reyes. Reyes out boxed Jones all night.

    And the craziest thing is there were no TD's. Not really. All TD were defended.
     
  4. Cockadoodle Blue Belt

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    Totally agree it was sickening to listen to that commentary tonight
     
  5. Kowboy Karl Black Belt

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    I had it 1 3 Reyes clearly 4-5 Jones clearly

    round 2 was a toss up heavy flurry’s vs picked apart going backward the majority of the round

    I’d be pissed if I was a Reyes bettor as I was when I was a Gustafson bettor in the first fight

    but it was clear jones was the more skilled fighter but at a significant athletic disadvantage

    I hope they run it back. I think Reyes wins the rematch
     
  6. Dathorn Brown Belt

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    Decision aside, Theres really nothing more needing to be said about it. But we really learned a lot about Reyes. His cardio held up pretty well. Could've been better, but he didn't totally gas and bust. I take back any Reyes doubt. He looked phenomenal. He is an absolute beast and I look forward to betting him in the future.
     
  7. Barkus Brown Belt

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    Reyes cardio was phenomenal. I thought his pace was too much but he proved me wrong. Yeah he was gassed by the 5th, but that's because he put a clinic on Jones for the first 3 rounds. But even in the last minutes of the fight he still had the cardio to move, defend and counterstrike.

    The clown commentating crew was hyping up Jones cadio when did nothing for the first 3 rounds. Of course he's going to be fresher. But he in no way had better cardio. The least they could do is give Reyes his fucking due.
     
  8. ill800 Founder of Eugenics Society of Gambling Banned

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    That judge needs to be investigated. There needs to be some accountability

    I’d prefer they went back to the old ufc days where they fought to a finish or draw and there was no judging
     
  9. Ryan Kelly Blue Belt

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    Omg the judging was obv fucked tonight, and I know a lot of people lost a lot of units tonight on the fights that went the distance, but some of you are tarding super hard on the conspiracy shit.
    i think the idea that ufc leadership gets judges to score fights how they want them to is laughable. Moving an event to get Jon licensed and having less than objective coverage is not the same as directly manipulating results.
     
  10. ill800 Founder of Eugenics Society of Gambling Banned

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    It’s bad when I see Reyes win the first three rounds and don’t live bet him at plus odds because I know the potential for the ufc to protect its cash cow
     
  11. Ryan Kelly Blue Belt

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    The excuse/reasoning is he is a fucking clueless retard.
     
  12. FimbulFightPicks Purple Belt

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    Damm thats like 15u, thats huge, yeah you definitely play very aggressivle,y but i like it, it works and you hit at the right times. 5u a bit too high for my taste, my max is usualy 1u sometimes 2u, but i do know the insane value should be capitalized on more. Do you ever find it harder to livebet if you´re down alot, or if you´re up alot? Like sometimes either being too scared, or being too overconfident? I usaully dont have a problem chasing, but rather that i play too defensively. had 4000 on moreno...stupid af, i didnt like it, at all, but lesson learned. Hopefully haha.

    Betfair seems good, but i always find it confusing with the ways to bet there, like do you just use the straight picks where you choose to bet regular moneyline or do you choose the option with where you offer some other buyer odds? like "selling" i never used that, always found it confusing. Very new to it.

    3000dkk is a great profit! 15U, huge night for you. But i feel i say that nearly every time hahaha! Enjoy it, well earned!
     
  13. PolarBearPaulVarelans Brown Belt

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    When did you start following MMA, out of curiosity?

    I can't imagine that anyone who watched Liddell-Bustamente or Liddell-Belfort live, AND listened to the cartoonish commentary for both of those would ever say anything as silly as "UFC leadership doesn't influence judges, lol!"

    Nevermind that influencing judges is the absolute easiest shit in the world.
     
  14. ill800 Founder of Eugenics Society of Gambling Banned

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    Don’t be so naive. I watched it happen in boxing for years and now I’m watching it happen in the ufc. There’s a lot of money to be made

    how hard do you think it is to buy off a judge? There was an nba ref who admittedly fixed games. You think Dana and wme, who paid 4 billion for the company are above this?
     
  15. Dave Henderson Orange Belt

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    Your comments are the few on here with 100% clarity. It's so, so obvious this was a coordinated effort by several parties. This was a fix. Just like the Cerrone fight.

    My Grandpa was a world champion boxer who had abandon his world title belt to flee Costa Nostra (mafia) in Italy in the 1940's. He came to New York, to get away from corruption, only to discover the Italian American Mafia in NYC doing the same thing here. Boxing is a hugely corrupt sport with a long history of corruption. That's why you always see crazy odds like +2000 +3000 +4000 constantly in boxing. I will not be surprised to see more lopsided odds 5-10 years from now in UFC. I bet UFC because UFC used to be about Merit and I could win money betting on Merit. Now it's become just as corrupt as boxing. I have to consider who sells more PPV and who is having finances difficulties and all this BS.

    This fight has cured me of my gambling. Thank goodness I only lost $1000. Fuck this I have to save up money for a house. I cannot continue to bet when the fights are clearly being manipulated.

    I was literally at West Gate tonight and someone dropped enough money on Jones to move the line from +325 to +425. That's some serious cash and I should have hedged but didn't because I bet on merit and merit clearly got fucked up the ass again tonight.
     
  16. Barkus Brown Belt

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    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"



    Joe and Dom calling out a judge for not even watching the fight.
     
  17. benebox Black Belt

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    No probs! I won a bit under 3u on the Jones decision and had Reyes got it I would have only covered my Jones bet so it did, but I would have still been up from it going the distance.
     
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  18. Krieg the Psycho Orange Belt

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    He is actually pretty much agreeing with you. He's saying that even if someone thought it was legit 3-2 Jones, the fight was still way too close to justify paying the juice on Jones. (In his post "either way"=anyway.) Reyes was the right side.
     
  19. Ryan Kelly Blue Belt

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    when Tim donaghy was fixing games, did David Stern hire him to do it? The idea what Dana or Ari are bribing judges is laughable.
     
  20. Dave Henderson Orange Belt

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    You ever seen the chairman of the NSAC ? That old guy looks like a retired wise guy. Straight outta the east coast Mafia. The guy was at the post presser claiming Ben Askren legit beat Robbie Lawler and he would'nt investigate over turning the result because "he just saw the fight" so there was no reason to investigate.

    This sport is becoming bullshit.
     

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