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Discussion in 'MMA Betting Discussion' started by EzFlyer, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. BatBoyJG Brown Belt

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    Lol I have been a brown belt for like 2 years now I just never bothered to change it. I think I'd be a black belt by now had I not change careers (not looking to be in the ufc) around a year & a half ago. I haven't trained more then twice in one week since which is pretty crazy.

    But either way you know who your money making BJJ savant is :D
     
  2. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I pretty much think the exact opposite on Sandoval. I gave Serrano a good chance because I figured Sandoval would be in the pocket a lot. He basically controlled the range throughout. Winning on the outside out of range and then entering clinches when Serrano wasn't expecting it. Rarely did he stay in the pocket.
     
  3. Joseph Budden Banned Banned

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    I guess if you don't go full "just bang bro" you're not engaging
     
  4. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    It was frustrating as shit to watch, similar with Jouban vs. Perry. I didn't think those fights were super entertaining, but it was the exact gameplan to use. Most of the fault goes on Serrano and Perry for not being able to induce the exchanges.
     
  5. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    I'll say one thing. I hope Mkess ans JB agree on fights from now on
     
  6. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    Is Brick Top banned?
     
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  8. waiguoren Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Aliev did absolutely nothing in that round except get one takedown. He had zero ground and pound. MMA judging severely overweights takedowns.
     
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    New Robbie account incoming
     
  10. waiguoren Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    People here were arguing with me, saying that Gall's grappling is overrated. I told them I have competed on the same mats as Gall and it's clear he is a beast. They replied by saying Grapplers Quest and NAGA are overrated.

    One guy even said that Marin was a better grappler than Gall. As a grappler who has won a few tournaments, I think I would submit Marin. On the other hand, I think Gall would fuck me up badly.

    @mkess101 knows what's up.
     
  11. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    Gall is a brown belt technically, but people who have competed know how little that actually means. He'd wreck most black belts his size in actual competition. If you'd sub Marin (or even have a reasonable chance) you're way better than I ever was (and I'm a LOT bigger than Marin--6'2" and 210). So you know better even than I do how good Gall is.
     
  12. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    LOL Frankenstein getting subbed by Craig isn't embarrassing. I said it here, Craig is slick on the mat.

    What's embarrassing is how awful his standup defense is and how piss poor his gas tank is. The guy was completely done like 4 minutes into the fight. Hell Craig was somewhat gassed and still subbed him.

    "Neutral". Wow. He was a -225 favorite FFS. I liked Craig in the fight and bet him itd, but even I expected more from de Silva than that.
     
  13. EzFlyer Titanium Belt

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    not gonna happen (or won't last)
     
  14. RyuDave Green Belt

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    @MMA Goodfella thanks for the hirota pick,
    Helped me on my biggest night to date.
     
  15. NinjaCat456 Green Belt

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    Come on bro you're a good poster on here but that just isn't right. The fight went exactly as many of us predicted on the official thread. It's what happens in mma when a serious grappler (esp with a size advantage) comes up against a decent striker with zero tdd and naive fight IQ. Lamb to the slaughter....it's just a matter of time. No idea why some people were so big on Sage for this one, he's like bambi on the ground.
     
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    I was on Sage cause I believed he would be able to light Gall up on the feet and avoid the takedowns. I figured Galls takedown game still is green, and Sages athleticism would let him avoid the ground. I was aware it was a big risk, but took Sage as a dog.
     
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    But Sage have himself initiated the clinch and takedowns in all his previous fights even though he's had a clear advantage on the feet. He even said in the interviews before "I'm a jits guy too!"
     
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    Show me one person who thought Sage would reverse Gall and one person who thought Gall would drop Sage with a right hand
     
  19. NinjaCat456 Green Belt

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    Irrelevant. We said he was going to be able to get his hands on Sage/get him down easily and dominate him on the ground, which is exactly what was happening. I'm sure there'd have been other opportunities for Gall to sub him deeper into the fight....or just coast to a 3 round decision.
     
  20. Oblivian Aging Platinum Member

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    I actually mentioned that we can't assume Gall's standup is bad. He did drop Jackson quickly. His wrestling isn't really that bad either.

    Your issue with capping that fight was that you assumed the worst every time with Gall. It was based on "he doesn't have the experience". You ignored the fact that on the ground, you can tell by his movements that he's very solid even if it was against worst competition. You could also tell that he's fairly athletic, unlike some other BJJ guys that fail to transition well to MMA. You kept going back to guys in BJJ that do not translate well to MMA, but there are a lot of examples that do. In fact, when watching lower level fights (and Sage is lower level comp still), a decent grappling background almost always swings me into favoring that person. The reason is because most fights at a lower level will end up on the ground. It's happened in all of Sage's fights now because he does not have the skill, experience, gameplan, or whatever to keep it standing.

    The fact that he does reverse may look impressive, but it's actually one of his downfalls. He executes those things due to his athleticism, but in the end, he thinks he's better than he is on the ground. He goes there way too often.

    IMO, Gall looked like a justified moderate (or above) favorite in there. He got the clinch quick, takedown quick, passed quick, etc. He then defended when Sage got on top. He then gets Sage back down again before the end of the round. Round 2 really saw Sage's only significant offense, one punch. Gall then drops Sage and subs him.

    So literally, Sage only has one really significant punch in the fight which is overshadowed by a better punch by Gall. Gall controlled the distance best getting the clinch, won the wrestling exchanges, and then won on the ground. It's pretty safe to say Gall was a solid play.
     

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