UFN 144 on ESPN+ 2 Assuncao vs Moraes II

Jordan3399 said:
Santos leg kicks are massively overrated too tbh, throws them almost all without a set up and is open to have them all countered with a big right hand or takedown. It makes her look like vintage Aldo vs cans but against any competent fighter she'll suffer for it badly for it.
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The number of female fighters in any weight class who can properly counter naked leg kicks is between 0 and 3 inclusive.

Anyways, I watched tape for Borella and Santos, and I'm seriously scratching my head at everyone betting heavily on Borella. I understand the concerns about Santos, but based on their last fights...Santos is a straight-up better fighter.

Borella is a passive, very mediocre striker who couldn't even stop Iren Racsz and has a mediocre waist-lock takedown that can work against people with horrendous takedown defense with piddly, barely existent GnP. This looks like a fight where the most likely scenario is that she gets outpointed.

Bringing up Santos' fights from 2015 feels like pure cherry-picking. She was 21/22 at the time and has massively improved since. What's Borella's excuse for losing 3 fights in a row by knockout in 2015 when she was already 29?

I'm not betting on Santos, either, but -175 for her seems fair.

Instead I bet 4 units on the fight going to decision at -185.
 
PolarBearPaulVarelans said:
The number of female fighters in any weight class who can properly counter naked leg kicks is between 0 and 3 inclusive.

Anyways, I watched tape for Borella and Santos, and I'm seriously scratching my head at everyone betting heavily on Borella. I understand the concerns about Santos, but based on their last fights...Santos is a straight-up better fighter.

Borella is a passive, very mediocre striker who couldn't even stop Iren Racsz and has a mediocre waist-lock takedown that can work against people with horrendous takedown defense with piddly, barely existent GnP. This looks like a fight where the most likely scenario is that she gets outpointed.

Bringing up Santos' fights from 2015 feels like pure cherry-picking. She was 21/22 at the time and has massively improved since. What's Borella's excuse for losing 3 fights in a row by knockout in 2015 when she was already 29?

I'm not betting on Santos, either, but -175 for her seems fair.

Instead I bet 4 units on the fight going to decision at -185.
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You sure scratch your head alot. Simply put: it's a matter of odds. The long-term strategy, certainly when it comes to WMMA, is to bet the dog.
 
The more I think of it, the more I like Aldo here.

Moicano is no doubt a fantastic fighter, but I'm not sure what he does better than Aldo. He's not going to be subbing Aldo, it's highly doubtful he could even take Aldo down. He's a decent striker, but he's not got power or an insane output where his pace is going to break Aldo.

If he can't get Aldo down, doesn't have the ability to put Aldo out with 1 big shot or push enough of a pace to break Aldo ala Holloway, he's pretty much just left with the option of relying on fighting the perfect fight in a measured striking match with Aldo and relying on doing enough to win a decision.

The main issue with that is that nobody has ever been able to do that against Aldo. It's the style of fight that Aldo built his UFC career on.

People are saying about it being a changing of the guard and that, but I don't know if I buy it. It's a huge step up in quality and I don't think Moicano has displayed the ability to emulate those fights where Aldo has lost, or displayed in his previous fights the ability to beat Aldo at his own style of fight.

I may be wrong and if I am I'll be the first to admit it, but I think it's a lot similar to the Barboza/Hooker fight recently where Barboza looked bad due to the style of his opponent and had a couple of brutal fights and got counted out too early versus someone who has looked great against lower level fighters but not yet demonstrated the ability to do that at the highest level.

He may very well be at that level and I could be wrong, but I was on Barboza in that spot for similar reasons as a slight underdog and I think I'm going to be doing the same here.
 
Soccer Steve said:
You sure scratch your head alot. Simply put: it's a matter of odds. The long-term strategy, certainly when it comes to WMMA, is to bet the dog.
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You know, I've been largely ignoring you, but it's downright impressive how smug and arrogant you are despite losing something like 26 units on the last event. Barry-esque even, minus any actual humor or likability.
 
Changing my mind to Moicano, the only way I see for Aldo win are leg kicks, which Moicano doesn't really defend, but besides that everything seems to be in Moicanos favor.
 
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PolarBearPaulVarelans said:
The number of female fighters in any weight class who can properly counter naked leg kicks is between 0 and 3 inclusive.

Anyways, I watched tape for Borella and Santos, and I'm seriously scratching my head at everyone betting heavily on Borella. I understand the concerns about Santos, but based on their last fights...Santos is a straight-up better fighter.

Borella is a passive, very mediocre striker who couldn't even stop Iren Racsz and has a mediocre waist-lock takedown that can work against people with horrendous takedown defense with piddly, barely existent GnP. This looks like a fight where the most likely scenario is that she gets outpointed.

Bringing up Santos' fights from 2015 feels like pure cherry-picking. She was 21/22 at the time and has massively improved since. What's Borella's excuse for losing 3 fights in a row by knockout in 2015 when she was already 29?

I'm not betting on Santos, either, but -175 for her seems fair.

Instead I bet 4 units on the fight going to decision at -185.
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I'd like to politely say that frankly your striking knowledge is an absolute joke tbh, calling Marion Reneau a better striker than Holm (who beat her in a one sided striking match smh) and Joanna Contender and the same level as Shevchenko. If you think Santos is that good of a striker then frankly I'm taking that as confidence boost for my bet on Borella.

Think you need to watch a lot more fight and technique footage then get yourself down to a kickboxing/muay thai/mma gym for a bit.
 
clemente said:
Changing my mind to Moicano, the only way I see for Aldo win are leg kicks, which Moicano doesn't really defend, but besides that everything seems to be in Moicanos favor.
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That's ridicilous. Moicano starts slow, and has been hurt before. There are bunch of different ways Aldo could beat him. I for one wouldnt be surprised if Jose crumbles him with a bodyshot.
 
Liking Aldo at dog odds here, considering its 3 rounds and I dont think Moicanos striking is on same level as Aldo/Holloway.
 
onC said:
That's ridicilous. Moicano starts slow, and has been hurt before. There are bunch of different ways Aldo could beat him. I for one wouldnt be surprised if Jose crumbles him with a bodyshot.
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He doesn't really start "slow", he just finds his angles and outstrikes his opponents, if Aldo tries to make it pacey, I think Moicano still gonna outnumber him.
 
PolarBearPaulVarelans said:
You know, I've been largely ignoring you, but it's downright impressive how smug and arrogant you are despite losing something like 26 units on the last event. Barry-esque even, minus any actual humor or likability.
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For someone who calls out any cherry-pickers, large or small, vehemently and aggressively you cherry pick my 26u loss and ignore my posted winnings on the Holloway-Ortega card. Ebb and flow, I'm not going to win them all. Our mighty Jim took one on the chin a few cards back and rode that wave. Shit happens.

As far as calling me smug and arrogant. Meh. Takes one to know one maybe.

I guess I know why we butt heads so much on here. I call you out more often than I do with others I disagree with and you are an asshole. I don't mean offence there necessarily, it's just a fact and I doubt you'd really disagree. Maybe I'm an asshole too. But to utterly smash people down for disagreeing with you goes against what this forum is for. Its to present a side, post it, and see what others think. It's not easy to come up with a concise breakdown on a fighter and present it to everyone. Your insights are often quite readable and accurate and appreciated. But when they aren't, and someone says so, you don't need to turn Hulk on them.

Or do. This is a free forum and we live in free countries.

But for the greater good of not clogging up this place with a lame back and forth, I'm willing to bury the hatchet fwiw. Yes?
 
Finished up all the study I am going to do.

Wanted to dig deep into Moicano, thinking I missed something, but I did not. I do not know why he's the favorite, other than Aldo being written off. Moicano has great legkicks and he's long, and can mix in a takedown if need be, but Aldo's pieces mesh perfectly. Aldo is the guy I would choose to defend/time those legkicks, and he's far better where Moicano is weakest - the pocket. Moicano throws wildly and retreats when the likes of Stephens, Kattar, and Cub pressed him. When he got tired of that, Moicano bailed out to a takedown or started kicking again. That ain't happening here. At distance, Aldo can neutralize, unlike Cub, who likes to stay at distance to punch and be victim to kicks, and unlike Strpehens, who has no range game. In the pocket, it's easily Aldo.

Also, purely from a speculative standpoint is the respect Renato shows his opponents after a fight - like it is a big deal and honor to beat these guys. Imagine asking him to beat Brazilian legend Aldo.. in Brazil. I wonder if this is asking him too much.
 
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Santos over Mara via being better at managing the distance, more volume, better striking, and Borella not willing to use her ground game often, which is not lights out good anyway. Also a better athlete and younger.
 
Jordan3399 said:
I'd like to politely say that frankly your striking knowledge is an absolute joke tbh, calling Marion Reneau a better striker than Holm (who beat her in a one sided striking match smh) and Joanna Contender and the same level as Shevchenko. If you think Santos is that good of a striker then frankly I'm taking that as confidence boost for my bet on Borella.

Think you need to watch a lot more fight and technique footage then get yourself down to a kickboxing/muay thai/mma gym for a bit.
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You know, I was answering your post in the other topic about Reneau seriously, logically, and politely. If your only response is to be a stupid, rude asshole writing insults, I can calmly ignore your nonsense from here on out and laugh when you inevitably lose your shirt, like with Steve.

Incidentally, I was under the impression that "striking knowledge" consisted of technical knowledge and being able to do it oneself, not which female fighter I think is superior in that regard. And we've been over this before, but I was an amateur boxer as well as doing Muy Thai and karate for a good spell.

Pretty sure your own training is non-existent and you're just some drunk British uni idiot wasting his time and money.
 
Oblivian said:
Did ESPN+ lag or run choppy for anyone? I watched on my PC last time and it was fine. I just downloaded the app on my firestick and everything runs shitty. All other apps that I use are fine.
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Keeps crashing for me on my Mac tonight, yea. I didn’t have any issues last card but it’s crashed 3 times already on me tonight.
 
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