Social US Border Patrol Officer tells Haitian migrant his country is s***

[I Am Legion]

It's one thing when you're calling parts of your own country a shithole, it's another when you're saying it about foreign countries. There is much more of an air of superiority when you say that--it's always said in a manner where you are looking down on them. It makes it sound like they are a shitty country because they're some backwards, evil nation.

But it's especially offensive when your country is contributing to making these shitholes, and keeping these countries in shithole status.

I get it. And it is insulting, even if it is true in many ways. But Haiti is a victim of a lot of its own policies and issues, and also bad luck. DR shares land and has been able to capitalize on Tourism. For a small land mass that can be self sustaining. Haiti should be able to do the same. Poverty is an issue but there are cultural issues as well. Haitian neighborhoods in The US are brutal....they come from a culture of crime and violence, and corruption. People are offended that Biden and kamala didnt think twice about shipping them all back, but I can guarantee you no one wanted 15k of them in their town.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I get it. And it is insulting, even if it is true in many ways. But Haiti is a victim of a lot of its own policies and issues, and also bad luck. DR shares land and has been able to capitalize on Tourism. For a small land mass that can be self sustaining. Haiti should be able to do the same. Poverty is an issue but there are cultural issues as well. Haitian neighborhoods in The US are brutal....they come from a culture of crime and violence, and corruption. People are offended that Biden and kamala didnt think twice about shipping them all back, but I can guarantee you no one wanted 15k of them in their town.

This is not true. Americans are incredibly ignorant about the exact interactions and history that our country has with other countries in this region. And the impact that these interactions have.

America was backing violent right wing governments all over the world, especially in this hemisphere, because they didn't want Communism to spread. Papa Doc, was backed by the United States. You can't keep blaming these countries for "its own policies" and corruption when its the United States that literally empower these people, fund these people, AND help to make these policies. They overthrow left wing governments they deemed as socialists or communists. This has been the same shit all over the world. I don't understand how you guys can keep calling countries corrupt when you are the ones backing and funding them.


What do you think policies like this do to poor countries like this? You wipe out their farming industry---that's jobs. That's self-sufficiency. That's a culture of work. That's providing for one's family.
And it used THEIR tax dollars to subsidize food they were forced to import from Arkansas.
There are all kinds of things like this that ruin the economies of these smaller countries.

American corporations like Hanes and Levi Strauss that pay Haitians slave wages to sew their clothes. They said they would only fork over a seven-cent-an-hour increase, and they got the State Department involved. The U.S. ambassador put pressure on Haiti’s president, who duly carved out a $3 a day minimum wage for textile companies (the U.S. minimum wage, which itself is very low, works out to $58 a day).

https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/a_pulled_scoop_shows_us_booste.php

So some American company paying slave wages in a poor country can act like they're helping them by giving them jobs. The Haitian president wants to raise the minimum wage, and a lobbyist calls a US politician to call someone in Haiti to tell them, 'no, my friend, you only get 7 cents. '
And you think this is about incompetent Haitians?


This "culture" argument is so bogus, because you guys act like "culture" comes out of nowhere. Culture is built off of what is around you. And America has been militarily , politically, and economically abusing Haiti, amongst other countries.
The DR and Haiti have entirely different histories, despite being on the same island. There is a reason they look different, and it's because of that history. The colonization of DR and of Haiti were not similar experiences at all.

 

[I Am Legion]

This is not true. Americans are incredibly ignorant about the exact interactions and history that our country has with other countries in this region. And the impact that these interactions have.

America was backing violent right wing governments all over the world, especially in this hemisphere, because they didn't want Communism to spread. Papa Doc, was backed by the United States. You can't keep blaming these countries for "its own policies" and corruption when its the United States that literally empower these people, fund these people, AND help to make these policies. They overthrow left wing governments they deemed as socialists or communists. This has been the same shit all over the world. I don't understand how you guys can keep calling countries corrupt when you are the ones backing and funding them.


What do you think policies like this do to poor countries like this? You wipe out their farming industry---that's jobs. That's self-sufficiency. That's a culture of work. That's providing for one's family.
And it used THEIR tax dollars to subsidize food they were forced to import from Arkansas.
There are all kinds of things like this that ruin the economies of these smaller countries.


https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/a_pulled_scoop_shows_us_booste.php

So some American company paying slave wages in a poor country can act like they're helping them by giving them jobs. The Haitian president wants to raise the minimum wage, and a lobbyist calls a US politician to call someone in Haiti to tell them, 'no, my friend, you only get 7 cents. '
And you think this is about incompetent Haitians?


This "culture" argument is so bogus, because you guys act like "culture" comes out of nowhere. Culture is built off of what is around you. And America has been militarily , politically, and economically abusing Haiti, amongst other countries.
The DR and Haiti have entirely different histories, despite being on the same island. There is a reason they look different, and it's because of that history. The colonization of DR and of Haiti were not similar experiences at all.

So what if the US and other countries didnt bring industry there at all? Would they make that 7 cents somewhere else? Yes, you are a typical finger pointing blamer. No self responsibility, no accountability. Puerto Rican politicians STOLE supplies and aid during Maria. Hid it, distributed it to family members and friends, and let others starve. Then America gets blamed. I have family there so I know first hand. Did US policies cause that? That is their own doing. Did American policies make Mexican Policeman dirty? Nope. You dont live near Hatians, I do. They are here. Given housing and food, and opportunity. Many choose drug dealing.....they still live in subsidized housing, but they drive nice cars and wear expensive clothes and Jewels. They CHOSE material items over morality. Some beat their women like no culture I have ever seen. That has NOTHING to do with politics or poverty. Plenty of other countries that are poor and have been affected by foreign policy and do not have these same issues. The US has given MILLIONS to Haiti......Celebrities have donated millions.....It cant all be because "policy" even though i do not disagree that negative consequences from such are real.

 

[freakroor]

You sound bubble-wrapped. Some places are decidedly more "shit hole" than others.

yah the places where elite billionaires live are usually pretty nice compared to the rest of us.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Yes, you are a typical finger pointing blamer. No self responsibility, no accountability. Puerto Rican politicians STOLE supplies and aid during Maria. Hid it, distributed it to family members and friends, and let others starve. Then America gets blamed. I have family there so I know first hand. Did US policies cause that? That is their own doing. Did American policies make Mexican Policeman dirty? Nope. You dont live near Hatians, I do. They are here. Given housing and food, and opportunity. Many choose drug dealing.....they still live in subsidized housing, but they drive nice cars and wear expensive clothes and Jewels. They CHOSE material items over morality. Some beat their women like no culture I have ever seen. That has NOTHING to do with politics or poverty. Plenty of other countries that are poor and have been affected by foreign policy and do not have these same issues. It cant all be because "policy" even though i do not disagree that negative consequences from such are real.

Why do you guys always resort to these "what if" arguments, as if we could ever know what would've happened? They are completely useless, and besides the point.
So you see the information I provide, with proof, and instead of thinking, "Okay, yeah, that's clearly wrong", you get defensive and say I'm just "a typical finger pointing blamer"? I have a video of the former POTUS apologizing for destroying farming in Haiti in 2010, and you think that's nothing? Coups? Supporting Papa Doc? Blocking policies that would help their people to help American corporations? All good?
And What? What do Puerto Rican politicians have to do with Haitians?????? You are aware that they are different countries, right?


This isn't about angelizing Haitians, and demonizing Americans.
The point is facts and truth. This is the history. This is what happened. And you guys keep lying about these countries, and what your own roles are in how these countries become what they are. These lies make it impossible to address the issues.
When Americans call these places corrupt, when it is Americans that literally CHOOSE and fund these corrupt people, we are having a bullshit conversation that is not based in truth. That does NOT mean there are no such thing as bad Haitians. It means what I said it means, that America CONTRIBUTES heavily to this "culture".

The US has given MILLIONS to Haiti......Celebrities have donated millions.....

The US gave millions to Haiti because it aligned with the goals of US foreign policy. This support gave Arkansas farmers a place to dump their rice, it stopped a country from becoming "communist" and spreading socialism in the region, it gave an American company a cheap labor force, etc. ----America is not giving MILLIONS to Haiti out of the kindness of their heart.

So what if the US and other countries didnt bring industry there at all? Would they make that 7 cents somewhere else?

So what if the US didn't bring that 7 cents at all?
So,then the Haitians would be in control of AND responsible for their own fate. There would be no finger to point at the United states. And this is what Americans like yourself seem to fail to understand. If you don't want to take blame, or responsibility for what happens in other parts of the world, then stay out of their business.
But you look at Haiti as a shithole, and because of that, you think we can do whatever we want there because "it couldnt be worse than the shithole it already is". (and i like how you think the only choice here is either slave wages or nothing--as if industry couldn't have came with a fair wage)

I've been to Haiti for work, which is why I have an interest and a bit of passion for this topic. So yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I don't put much stock in your "knowledge" that came from politicians in Puerto Rico and "Haitians that are around you", as if that means anything. You've shown your clear close mindedness and ignorance on this topic, putting nationalism and your political ideology over facts.

 

[skysolo]

 

[Scerpi]

So what if the US and other countries didnt bring industry there at all? Would they make that 7 cents somewhere else? Yes, you are a typical finger pointing blamer. No self responsibility, no accountability. Puerto Rican politicians STOLE supplies and aid during Maria. Hid it, distributed it to family members and friends, and let others starve. Then America gets blamed. I have family there so I know first hand. Did US policies cause that? That is their own doing. Did American policies make Mexican Policeman dirty? Nope. You dont live near Hatians, I do. They are here. Given housing and food, and opportunity. Many choose drug dealing.....they still live in subsidized housing, but they drive nice cars and wear expensive clothes and Jewels. They CHOSE material items over morality. Some beat their women like no culture I have ever seen. That has NOTHING to do with politics or poverty. Plenty of other countries that are poor and have been affected by foreign policy and do not have these same issues. The US has given MILLIONS to Haiti......Celebrities have donated millions.....It cant all be because "policy" even though i do not disagree that negative consequences from such are real.

 

[I Am Legion]

Why do you guys always resort to these "what if" arguments, as if we could ever know what would've happened? They are completely useless, and besides the point.
So you see the information I provide, with proof, and instead of thinking, "Okay, yeah, that's clearly wrong", you get defensive and say I'm just "a typical finger pointing blamer"? I have a video of the former POTUS apologizing for destroying farming in Haiti in 2010, and you think that's nothing? Coups? Supporting Papa Doc? Blocking policies that would help their people to help American corporations? All good?
And What? What do Puerto Rican politicians have to do with Haitians?????? You are aware that they are different countries, right?


This isn't about angelizing Haitians, and demonizing Americans.
The point is facts and truth. This is the history. This is what happened. And you guys keep lying about these countries, and what your own roles are in how these countries become what they are. These lies make it impossible to address the issues.
When Americans call these places corrupt, when it is Americans that literally CHOOSE and fund these corrupt people, we are having a bullshit conversation that is not based in truth. That does NOT mean there are no such thing as bad Haitians. It means what I said it means, that America CONTRIBUTES heavily to this "culture".


The US gave millions to Haiti because it aligned with the goals of US foreign policy. This support gave Arkansas farmers a place to dump their rice, it stopped a country from becoming "communist" and spreading socialism in the region, it gave an American company a cheap labor force, etc. ----America is not giving MILLIONS to Haiti out of the kindness of their heart.


So what if the US didn't bring that 7 cents at all?
So,then the Haitians would be in control of AND responsible for their own fate. There would be no finger to point at the United states. And this is what Americans like yourself seem to fail to understand. If you don't want to take blame, or responsibility for what happens in other parts of the world, then stay out of their business.
But you look at Haiti as a shithole, and because of that, you think we can do whatever we want there because "it couldnt be worse than the shithole it already is". (and i like how you think the only choice here is either slave wages or nothing--as if industry couldn't have came with a fair wage)

I've been to Haiti for work, which is why I have an interest and a bit of passion for this topic. So yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I don't put much stock in your "knowledge" that came from politicians in Puerto Rico and "Haitians that are around you", as if that means anything. You've shown your clear close mindedness and ignorance on this topic, putting nationalism and your political ideology over facts.

Your passion is still based on 1 policy that hurt Haitian farming. Like that is the reason why they beat their woman and 3/4 of the mothers there are single unwed, and a large portion are pregnant from sexual assault? My point with PR is they suffered bad policies as well, and they do not have the same "cultural" issues. And dont be a Jerk like Americans don't know the difference between the Islands. I know and deal with more haitians in a week than you ever did in your little work trip. EXPERIENCE beats your read "facts" any day of the week. Ask any Native from Miami and they will tell you American blacks and Haitians are constantly at war, and the Haitians take heads off. Same here in NY. When they are criminal, they are on a different level. You want to say that's because of farming, fine. I'm a believer in everyone makes their own choices. I grew up in an area that you wouldn't drive through. People had choices to make. Some made right ones, some didn't. No one is to blame but yourself.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Your passion is still based on 1 policy that hurt Haitian farming. Like that is the reason why they beat their woman and 3/4 of the mothers there are single unwed, and a large portion are pregnant from sexual assault? My point with PR is they suffered bad policies as well, and they do not have the same "cultural" issues. And dont be a Jerk like Americans don't know the difference between the Islands. I know and deal with more haitians in a week than you ever did in your little work trip. EXPERIENCE beats your read "facts" any day of the week. Ask any Native from Miami and they will tell you American blacks and Haitians are constantly at war, and the Haitians take heads off. Same here in NY. When they are criminal, they are on a different level. You want to say that's because of farming, fine. I'm a believer in everyone makes their own choices. I grew up in an area that you wouldn't drive through. People had choices to make. Some made right ones, some didn't. No one is to blame but yourself.

What....? When did I say this was only about a farming policy? I highlighted that one because the video was short, farming and food are incredibly important for a small nation that has problems with food shortages, and this event wasn't ancient history.
I named more than 1 policy. I named like 5 different examples, and said that there were plenty more. What, did you want a video for each topic?
My posts would be 10x longer than they already are if I went into detail on every single foreign intervention that has had significant impact on Haiti.


You obviously don't know anything about the country of Haiti, its history , and politics...or the work that I do. Which is why you have to keep going back to these rightwing talking points about personal responsibility..and bring up other countries with completely different situations as if they're all comparable.
You are trying to weigh your experience with Haitians in America against research, history, and data done in Haiti the country...and you are too stubborn and foolish to recognize that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the country of Haiti...not Haitian Americans, or Haitian refugees turned gangsters in New York.
Living amongst people, does not give you an automatic understanding of those people, where they came from, or an understanding of a system, or of conditions--especially when one is as narrow minded as you are, and when you think you've got the whole world all figured out.
But hey..

 

[TheLastSpartan]

Your passion is still based on 1 policy that hurt Haitian farming. Like that is the reason why they beat their woman and 3/4 of the mothers there are single unwed, and a large portion are pregnant from sexual assault? My point with PR is they suffered bad policies as well, and they do not have the same "cultural" issues. And dont be a Jerk like Americans don't know the difference between the Islands. I know and deal with more haitians in a week than you ever did in your little work trip. EXPERIENCE beats your read "facts" any day of the week. Ask any Native from Miami and they will tell you American blacks and Haitians are constantly at war, and the Haitians take heads off. Same here in NY. When they are criminal, they are on a different level. You want to say that's because of farming, fine. I'm a believer in everyone makes their own choices. I grew up in an area that you wouldn't drive through. People had choices to make. Some made right ones, some didn't. No one is to blame but yourself.

The manner in which you’re portraying Haitians, especially in the States only serves as a demonstration of both your ignorance and explicit biases. If we wanna use anecdotes, I too interact w/ Haitians on a daily basis. I actually live among them as the area I’m in has a large Caribbean population with Haitians composing a significant percentage of that category. The vast majority are extremely hard-working, nose-to-the-ground people. Friendly, family oriented, socially conservative, and placing a high value on education for their kids. The criminal element that I am exposed to don’t typically consist of Haitians and if they do, they’re almost always 2nd generation youth who’ve grown up in the urban street environment the same as any other ethnicity. Haitians in the States have a higher civilian workforce representation than the total foreign-born and U.S-born populations and they're as likely to live in poverty as both foreign-born and U.S-born populations. Which leads to my next point. Your offensive cultural insinuations are nothing but an indicator of socioeconomics. Naturally you’ll be exposed to a criminal/shitbag element of mostly Haitians if you’re in the hoods of South Florida. Same way that element would be mostly Dominicans in the hoods of Uptown Manhattan/Bronx NYC, Russians in Brighton Beach NYC, Cambodians in Long Beach, CA etc. The hood and/or shitbaggery don't typify any of these immigrant communities, Haitians included.

 

[evansusmc2]

For some reason or another a lot of scumbags end up in law enforcement and border patrol.

aaaaooohh.... Speak for yourself duuuuuude! Excuuuuuuse them in people trying to break the law don't get 1st class treatment.

 

[evansusmc2]

It should be open borders for everyone. That's what Jesus would want.

I got friends in border patrol. Once some of them get let in, I'll make sure 10 of them get sent directly to your house. It'll be all males. Let's see if you're still singing the same tune then.

 

[evansusmc2]

Imagine what the natives thought about the Europeans lol. Maybe they should go back to Europe too by your standards.

This is some dumb shit.

You are talking about Europeans that landed on a caveman-like lawless land of craziness. There was NOTHING established here other than tribes killing other tribes year around.

Or... are you talking about the VAST majority of white people in American today? Who came here in the 1930s to 1940s and came here LEGALLY?? Yeah good luck with that.

 

[evansusmc2]

the growing number of floods and hurricans in the US is karma for what the US did to countries like Haiti

No it isn't. And by your logic... is Karma the reason why Haiti is just a wasteland?

 

[evansusmc2]

what the natives should have done was something that would have been hard for them, they should have killed every person on every boat and they should have all worked together, not talked to these people or even got close enough to get their diseases, just kill them on sight. Maybe that would have saved them from extinction.

First off the natives didn't have any idea about diseases (but then again... neither did the Europeans). Secondly that would have taken the natives to work together. Since all they cared about was killing each other, this was NEVER going to happen.

 

[Rocket Punch]

No it isn't. And by your logic... is Karma the reason why Haiti is just a wasteland?

europe and the us are the reason

 

[mozfonky]

First off the natives didn't have any idea about diseases (but then again... neither did the Europeans). Secondly that would have taken the natives to work together. Since all the cared about was killing each other, this was NEVER going to happen.

tell yourself whatever you have to.

 

[kenetics]

This is some dumb shit.

You are talking about Europeans that landed on a caveman-like lawless land of craziness. There was NOTHING established here other than tribes killing other tribes year around.

Or... are you talking about the VAST majority of white people in American today? Who came here in the 1930s to 1940s and came here LEGALLY?? Yeah good luck with that.

Umm Europeans weren't killing people during the invasions of multiple countries , lands? Please lol.

Who cares how they lived on their native land. The European could've stayed where they were.

All Europeans decendents here had family come from other countries ,.1930-1940 doesn't matter because they wouldn't be here without ancestors.

 

[skysolo]

 

[mjfan23]

I got friends in border patrol. Once some of them get let in, I'll make sure 10 of them get sent directly to your house. It'll be all males. Let's see if you're still singing the same tune then.

What if he’s homo?