Was Woodley's soul gone before the Usman fight or after

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He's been dominated in his past two fights not even being close 5-0. I remember a lot of people talking about how dominate of a performance Usman put on but saying that Woodley was a shell of himself vs burns. So my question for you was Woodley already out of it by the time Usman got his hands on him and it's the same Woodley we save Vs Burns. Or was Usman loss the reason Woodley has become a shell of himself
 
When He couldn’t get any money fights he was dreaming of- GSP.. and instead forced to take on usman.. that’s when he lost his soul. Was no longer into the fight game, he’s in the money game now
 
Woodley was coming off one he his best career wins after going into the Usman fight.

Dude is in his late 30s, has suffered from multiple injuries in recent years and just fought two guys back-to-back who were terrible stylistic match ups. Also, Hooft seems to be excellent at gameplaning to beat Woodley.
 
When He couldn’t get any money fights he was dreaming of- GSP.. and instead forced to take on usman.. that’s when he lost his soul. Was no longer into the fight game, he’s in the money game now


He was asking for money fights like five minutes after he won the belt.

Going by your logic, he should've gotten crushed in his first title defense.
 
Woodley just aged out. The woodley that fought WB n Lawler never loses to Usman an decimates Burns
 
I wonder if his agent advised that he should play the race card in order to attract the big money?
 
He's been dominated in his past two fights not even being close 5-0. I remember a lot of people talking about how dominate of a performance Usman put on but saying that Woodley was a shell of himself vs burns. So my question for you was Woodley already out of it by the time Usman got his hands on him and it's the same Woodley we save Vs Burns. Or was Usman loss the reason Woodley has become a shell of himself

Yes, he was already on the decline before the Usman fight. He was probably on the decline by the WB rematch (definitely by the Maia fight).

Many fighting styles are built around athletic gifts; if you fine-tune those skills specifically around those traits then you become piegeon-holed into a certain style and approach.

Woodley's downfall was that has always been a meat & potatoes wrestle-boxer that occasionally blitzed with single power strikes (overhand right, left hook)- as he got older and began to lose speed/cardio his tactical adjustment was to put himself on the cage and minimize his own footwork/movement to conserve the explosion. His thinking must've been "I can't risk getting tired because then I'll get picked apart - I need to make my opponents fear my double-leg/right-hand and if I feint enough and am fast enough they don't have a choice but to respect it."

This worked well as champion for a short time against specialist opponents but we definitely saw the cracks against WB and Maia - he was so low out-put that he was giving away rounds, so if he didn't get the finish it was ugly/slow fight. Additionally, as he lost speed and ability to make reads intuitively he would start being a split-second behind and the kill-shot that used to land clean would miss and he'd be stuck in the clinch. I think his messed him up baddddd mentally - when you are so used to hitting your opponent and you keep missing it starts making you second guess yourself. Everyone looks great on pads, it's how you look against a dangerous opponent that will hit you back - Woodley looked great in training videos but against dangerous opponent he got shook. I read interview that he got kicked in the calf and it blew up his leg like a watermelon; I'm sure that + getting dropped, cut, mounted 2 minutes into the fight completely shook him and made him go into pure-defense mode, looking to survive and land a hail-mary strike (very low chance). Credit to Burns for fucking him up so quickly but the Woodley that beat Lawler would've never let himself get walked down and chewed up so easily; he would've been loaded with lighting trigger counters on the right hand every time a naked leg kick got thrown.

The best fighters of all-time to me (Anderson, GSP, Bones, Fedor, Khabib) are constantly building wide range of skills that work against variety of opponents, this way when their athleticism starts to falter (not as fast/explosive/powerful) they can use technique or adjust strategy based on the tactics needed. How long you can stay elite is a question of your ability to adjust your strategy/tactics to mesh with your declining athleticism. Eventually everyone will lose enough athleticism or skills where they are no longer elite, but you can lengthen your time as an elite fighter if you build a game that will be able to adjust as you get slower and lose cardio. Otherwise you become so predictable that guys would've killed years ago have a blue-print to pick you apart.
 
Yes, he was already on the decline before the Usman fight. He was probably on the decline by the WB rematch (definitely by the Maia fight).

Many fighting styles are built around athletic gifts; if you fine-tune those skills specifically around those traits then you become piegeon-holed into a certain style and approach.

Woodley's downfall was that has always been a meat & potatoes wrestle-boxer that occasionally blitzed with single power strikes (overhand right, left hook)- as he got older and began to lose speed/cardio his tactical adjustment was to put himself on the cage and minimize his own footwork/movement to conserve the explosion. His thinking must've been "I can't risk getting tired because then I'll get picked apart - I need to make my opponents fear my double-leg/right-hand and if I feint enough and am fast enough they don't have a choice but to respect it."

This worked well as champion for a short time against specialist opponents but we definitely saw the cracks against WB and Maia - he was so low out-put that he was giving away rounds, so if he didn't get the finish it was ugly/slow fight. Additionally, as he lost speed and ability to make reads intuitively he would start being a split-second behind and the kill-shot that used to land clean would miss and he'd be stuck in the clinch. I think his messed him up baddddd mentally - when you are so used to hitting your opponent and you keep missing it starts making you second guess yourself. Everyone looks great on pads, it's how you look against a dangerous opponent that will hit you back - Woodley looked great in training videos but against dangerous opponent he got shook. I read interview that he got kicked in the calf and it blew up his leg like a watermelon; I'm sure that + getting dropped, cut, mounted 2 minutes into the fight completely shook him and made him go into pure-defense mode, looking to survive and land a hail-mary strike (very low chance). Credit to Burns for fucking him up so quickly but the Woodley that beat Lawler would've never let himself get walked down and chewed up so easily; he would've been loaded with lighting trigger counters on the right hand every time a naked leg kick got thrown.

The best fighters of all-time to me (Anderson, GSP, Bones, Fedor, Khabib) are constantly building wide range of skills that work against variety of opponents, this way when their athleticism starts to falter (not as fast/explosive/powerful) they can use technique or adjust strategy based on the tactics needed. How long you can stay elite is a question of your ability to adjust your strategy/tactics to mesh with your declining athleticism. Eventually everyone will lose enough athleticism or skills where they are no longer elite, but you can lengthen your time as an elite fighter if you build a game that will be able to adjust as you get slower and lose cardio. Otherwise you become so predictable that guys would've killed years ago have a blue-print to pick you apart.

You're right about the blueprint.
 
He's the same fighter he's always been
Yeah i agree. It seems like he just got bad matchups. Stylistically Usman and Burns were both bad for Woodley. Woodley can still beat Till imo.
 
You cant take away what t-wood accomplished. He made it further than I ever thought he would. He was never a guy I really liked but he got the strap and kept it for a nice little stretch.

Woodley either connects with the right haymaker or he seems to have no way to threaten any kind of offense. That being said Gilbert is on the rise and losing your last 2 to Usman and him could be the same outcome for every other 170 lb'er.
 
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