Worst Case Scenario: Firearm Election Fallout

I personally was a bit intimated by the process before I actually decided to do it. Lack of knowledge and finding good resources to help. Finally found a really good ffl with cool employees that walked me through everything with charging me. It's really easy once you know what to do. Mild hassle but imo worth it to have suppressors and whatnot.
Same here. Before YT went stupid with gun content there were quite a few channels that expertly teach how to build weapons and maintain them. So yeah, if I decide to get a suppressor, I'm just gonna Form 1 it and build it myself with the help of a machinist. Will definitely be quicker. My earlier statement was to point out that idiots are buying what are essentially suppressor kits under a different name thinking they can treat it like an 80% lower. 80% lowers aren't an NFA item.........yet. So the ATF doesn't bother with them being bought unless you are prohibited.
 
With the dems victorious in Georgia, I wonder if we'll see an increase in panic buying. Or will there need to be some legislation first. Hard to believe the incoming administration won't be pushing for something.
 
With the dems victorious in Georgia, I wonder if we'll see an increase in panic buying. Or will there need to be some legislation first. Hard to believe the incoming administration won't be pushing for something.
I think all it is going to take is to show the assholes storming the capitol with guns, and you could see a big swing in the viewpoint of gun control for legislators. I don't think any of them really care about gun rights, and now that their lives are being threatened I could see them reinstating an assault weapons ban of some sort. I'm convinced that most Americans are "Fudds" when it comes to guns, and actions like these won't help. I hope I'm wrong in the end.
 
I think all it is going to take is to show the assholes storming the capitol with guns, and you could see a big swing in the viewpoint of gun control for legislators. I don't think any of them really care about gun rights, and now that their lives are being threatened I could see them reinstating an assault weapons ban of some sort. I'm convinced that most Americans are "Fudds" when it comes to guns, and actions like these won't help. I hope I'm wrong in the end.



The irony of this being that recently Lauren Boebert wanted to be sworn in while carrying her pistol and the Dems panic wrestled a weak attempt at writing something up imploring the powers that be to not let do so because there’s no reason on Earth they should need to be armed because they’re so totally safe and nothing bad could ever happen..


Anyway, get real familiar with the name ‘Joe Manchin’ a Democrat senator from WV who is very moderate and right leaning at times. He’s already recently vowed he would not vote for court packing or killing the filibuster.. he’s also voted in the past against banning 10 round plus mags and banning assault weapons.. so, all may not be as lost as the Rumplestilskins dancing around the fires in the WR would have you believe.


Strange to think our fate on gun issues the next 4 years may hinge on a rogue Dem lol

@Cubo de Sangre
 
The irony of this being that recently Lauren Boebert wanted to be sworn in while carrying her pistol and the Dems panic wrestled a weak attempt at writing something up imploring the powers that be to not let do so because there’s no reason on Earth they should need to be armed because they’re so totally safe and nothing bad could ever happen..


Anyway, get real familiar with the name ‘Joe Manchin’ a Democrat senator from WV who is very moderate and right leaning at times. He’s already recently vowed he would not vote for court packing or killing the filibuster.. he’s also voted in the past against banning 10 round plus mags and banning assault weapons.. so, all may not be as lost as the Rumplestilskins dancing around the fires in the WR would have you believe.


Strange to think our fate on gun issues the next 4 years may hinge on a rogue Dem lol

@Cubo de Sangre
I live in West Virginia so I am well aware of Joe Manchin. I wouldn't put too much hope in him. If he is the swing vote I would put money on him approving more gun legislation. He used to run an ad with him shooting his bolt action rifle and walking around with supposed hunting buddies to show how pro gun he is. It always made me laugh because it was so obvious that he was just playing a character. I think he retained his seat by a slim margin in 2018 (if I remember correctly) so that may play a factor.
 
I live in West Virginia so I am well aware of Joe Manchin. I wouldn't put too much hope in him. If he is the swing vote I would put money on him approving more gun legislation. He used to run an ad with him shooting his bolt action rifle and walking around with supposed hunting buddies to show how pro gun he is. It always made me laugh because it was so obvious that he was just playing a character. I think he retained his seat by a slim margin in 2018 (if I remember correctly) so that may play a factor.



That’s why I also mentioned some things he’s already voted against in the past. The craziest ‘right leaning’ thing I read about him was his allegedly supporting Trump on building the wall (I had to chuckle at how much that must have pissed off Dems who voted for him..)


Anyway, I don’t doubt he’ll toe the party line on certain things but what I’m thinking is he may reject large scale things like an assault weapons ban or something along those lines. Some of the Dems do sit in very pro gun states so voting for really extreme measures gun law wise might be too risky for them.


Out of curiosity, is he absolutely terrible in your state or is he not all that bad, what’s your general take on him besides being a phony politician..?
 
That’s why I also mentioned some things he’s already voted against in the past. The craziest ‘right leaning’ thing I read about him was his allegedly supporting Trump on building the wall (I had to chuckle at how much that must have pissed off Dems who voted for him..)


Anyway, I don’t doubt he’ll toe the party line on certain things but what I’m thinking is he may reject large scale things like an assault weapons ban or something along those lines. Some of the Dems do sit in very pro gun states so voting for really extreme measures gun law wise might be too risky for them.


Out of curiosity, is he absolutely terrible in your state or is he not all that bad, what’s your general take on him besides being a phony politician..?
I've never heard anybody say he is terrible nor have I heard anybody sing his praises. He works across the aisle which I think plays well in the state. It will be interesting to see what he does now that he has the spotlight. It's easy for him to say he will go against the party line when he would never actually have to make that decision or be the swing vote.
 
I've never heard anybody say he is terrible nor have I heard anybody sing his praises. He works across the aisle which I think plays well in the state. It will be interesting to see what he does now that he has the spotlight. It's easy for him to say he will go against the party line when he would never actually have to make that decision or be the swing vote.



He’s already voted against mag capacity bans and assault weapons bans too from what I’ve read, so there’s a real track record to back it up.


He’s also come out publicly on being against court packing and killing the filibuster too, so he’s on record with that stuff as well -and I think that stuff was stated within the last day or so.


Obviously huge pressure could change things, but it’s at least a bit of light in a deep dark well. It’s better than having an army of AOC’s and Ilhan Omar’s being the deciding vote.


I do think there’s going to have to be uncomfortable compromise with 2A the next 4 years because the Dems have the seats to do whatever they want, but my hope is those compromises won’t be as far left as, well, the far left would like.


There’s also the very unlikely prospect that some members defect their party, which as I understand it happened this morning with a Georgia State Rep switching to Republican.. obviously this is very unlikely, but if the left tries to go too far people (moderates) will have to make some actual choices. Do keep in mind, that for all the rhetoric the left has screamed about the right -racism, fascism-a lot of that is nonsense that isn’t actually built into and Republican policy. Some Dems on the other hand really do have socialist/communist authoritarian type views and policy plans (court packing, adding states that guarantee them votes/power, gun registration/confiscation, AOC calling for voters for the opposite party to be put on a list..)
 
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He’s already voted against mag capacity bans and assault weapons bans too from what I’ve read, so there’s a real track record to back it up.


He’s also come out publicly on being against court packing and killing the filibuster too, so he’s on record with that stuff as well -and I think that stuff was stated within the last day or so.


Obviously huge pressure could change things, but it’s at least a bit of light in a deep dark well. It’s better than having an army of AOC’s and Ilhan Omar’s being the deciding vote.

I do think there’s going to have to be uncomfortable compromise with 2A the next 4 years because the Dems have the seats to do whatever they want, but my hope is those compromises won’t be as far left as, well, the far left would like.

There’s also the very unlikely prospect that some members defect their party, which as I understand it happened this morning with a Georgia State Rep switching to Republican.. obviously this is very unlikely, but if the left tries to go too far people (moderates) will have to make some actual choices. Do keep in mind, that for all the rhetoric the left has screamed about the right -racism, fascism-a lot of that is nonsense that isn’t actually built into and Republican policy. Some Dems on the other hand really do have socialist/communist authoritarian type views and policy plans (court packing, adding states that guarantee them votes/power, gun registration/confiscation, AOC calling for voters for the opposite party to be put on a list..)
He did put forth legislation for further background checks on weapon purchases. He isn't a guy who spouts off about banning guns, but I wouldn't count him as an ally just yet. As I said, I can't remember a time when he was THE guy that was the swing vote. I don't think the democrats would have the votes to increase the court size or any other outrageous schemes with only 50 votes nor do I see any major gun legislation (banning, confiscation, etc.) being passed given the tight margins. Executive orders are harder to predict.

Speaking of switching parties, West Virginia's governor was elected when he ran as a democrat, but switched to a republican (for no apparent reason) after a month or so of being elected.
 
Living in a ban state. It's not as bad as some other ban states, but I see first hand what they want. And on the surface it seems innocuous, but every single thing is regulated. You can't buy so much as a bullet without a permit. Hunting rifle? Permit. Having my choice of rifles restricted to the point that we have to come up with these cockamamie loop hole builds to own an AR style weapon. Their response is that they have left us plenty of other rifles to choose from, and we can't dispute it. A competent shooter can be just as effective with a Mini 14, M1A, etc. Guys just want what they want. Too bad they say.

Now shotgun Joe wants to do something similar. Only this time he's gonna do it with all military style semi-autos. And his argument to the "common sense" crowd will be that he is leaving the public with plenty of ways to defend itself at home with Shotguns and manual action rifles. And these mouth breathing anti gun idiots will buy it lock stock and barrel, never realizing that a shotgun will be a demented persons next weapon of choice if even one life is too many. The Virginia Tech Shooter just used handguns.

The pics of the politicians cowering in fear this past week is the real reason they want to burn gun rights to the ground. Politicians aren't interested in a citizen's personal well being. They are only interested in their own safety to rule unopposed. And they can't do that until their side is the only one well armed. All these gun laws in my state and yet armed crime still happens. Do these criminals not read the law books?
 
I made a war room thread about Biden's 6 EOs on gun control today, posting it here as well for a different crowd to comment on it


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ress-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.

Looks like Biden is going to try to get the justice department to issue a rule that will stop 80% lower receivers? As far as I know, these are mostly used by hobbyists who don't want their guns on a gov list, criminals aren't going through the hassle of milling their own products. Unless these are more frequently being bought, milled, and then re-sold to known felons than I think? This sounds like a nuisance to people who want to keep gov hands out of their lives and not much affect on gun crime imo.

I also expect those 80% lower makers to be able to dance around the wording like they dance around California's featureless AR rules. It's impressive engineering and creativity tbh.

The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.

Ah. Back to the pistol with brace vs short barrel rifle debate. ATF has tried a dozen times to clarify this. I really don't see how Justice Department doesn't just muddy the waters further.

The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.

Many states have this already. I just hope these red flag laws allow the person accused to gain access back extremely quickly (talking able to argue in front of a judge within 72 hours like they can do with child custody cases on the initial take of kids from home) if it can't be proven they're a threat, and that any type of "ex-wife makes report out of spite" comes with filing false police report charges. Very mixed on the technicalities of red flag laws, but out of all the gun control measures, at least red flag laws are only focusing on people who are directly threats. Not just making it harder for someone with a perfectly clean record and no crazy behavior from owning certain types of guns. Get those red flag laws going in gang territory, police can use red flag reports to sweep a gang banger's house for any weapons if they're deemed a threat. Then use the recovered weapons to charge with felon in possession if applicable.

The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

I uh, think we can actually all agree with this one. Funding for communities trying to help themselves in urban environments with their shooting spikes lately?

The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.

I'd be interested in having better information here as well, definitely showing to light how many guns used in crimes are stolen pieces passed around. Plus straw purchasers knowingly selling to people who can't legally buy a gun on their own.

The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.

And this one is just a formality basically

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All in all, something was definitely expected from the Biden admin. If it stays here I'm cool with it, because something was obviously going to be done once dems won the election so this is about as little as possible in reality. Plus of course court challenges to the EOs from gun rights group and maybe one or two get thrown out. Since it's just an EO, next Republican president can undo all 6 his first month anyways if they wish.

Certainly not the semi-auto rifle new sale ban, magazine size restrictions, register or become a criminal, or banning private sales without going through a shop for background check, level gun control that was hyped and pushed during primary season and then screeched and feared about after the election
 
All in all, something was definitely expected from the Biden admin. If it stays here I'm cool with it, because something was obviously going to be done once dems won the election so this is about as little as possible in reality. Plus of course court challenges to the EOs from gun rights group and maybe one or two get thrown out. Since it's just an EO, next Republican president can undo all 6 his first month anyways if they wish.

Certainly not the semi-auto rifle new sale ban, magazine size restrictions, register or become a criminal, or banning private sales without going through a shop for background check, level gun control that was hyped and pushed during primary season and then screeched and feared about after the election

If I were a gun-grabber I'd be awful disappointed.
 
I'm interested to see the hoops they jump through rewriting the definition of a firearm to include 80% receivers
 
As far as I know it is perfectly legal to build a firearm yourself as long as you don't sell the homemade firearm to someone else. So selling your 80% lower after it has been finished would constitute a crime (if I understand the law correctly). At what percentage does a non-completed lower become just a piece of plastic/metal to the ATF? I would think these companies could just not send instructions and equipment to build the lower, and perhaps make the buyer do more finishing.

The pistol brace and SBR issue is an interesting topic. I think we all knew that it was only a matter of time before pistol braces would come under fire even though the ATF allowed them. Unless they change definitions in a VERY definite way I doubt anything substantial will come from this.

I don't mind the last four issues. I'm not knowledgeable enough when it comes to red flag laws of what evidence must be presented to law enforcement to have a persons firearms taken, and at what the process is to have them returned. Looking at the language above I don't see any issues with the red flag EO.
 
As far as I know it is perfectly legal to build a firearm yourself as long as you don't sell the homemade firearm to someone else.

My understanding was you could sell it, but you couldn't build it with that intent.
 
I wonder if the feds include guns that have had the serial numbers filed off as "ghost" guns. I'd bet they do to inflate the numbers. Even most gun owners are too intimidated to get an 80% lower or use a 3D printed lower so I don't gangbangers are going that route.
 
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