UFC 202 - McGoat vs Diaz II - Vegas

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PuertoRican said:


I just assumed Nate wouldn't be in good enough shape for their first fight and overrated Conor.

I should've listened to Lauzon.
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Wow he got everything spot on. He should do another one for 202. Just wish he'd hurry up because I'm about to go big on Nate here, that even money price is just too tempting.
 
Oblivian said:
I think a lot of people were totally duped by Conor as well. I think you know I called this a long time ago. People's obsession with Conor was laughable and I was sad to see it drag into the betting threads. He's really not all that.
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He moves very well, hits very hard, and is very fast. That is enough to excel at his weight class and maybe above it but this is a circus fight of almost 2 weight class' disparity.
He very well might have won LW gold.

I thought he was going to win the first fight and don't consider myself duped because the fight looked like I thought it would until it didn't, that is to say Nate is just too durable and too big for Conor.

Conor's power loses value going up, Nate can take a lot of punishment as it is, has shit-loads of cardio so he doesn't give up that advantage to the smaller fighter, and Nate's power gains value in this match-up. Nate! Now with fearsome power!
To top it off skill+strenght makes Nate lethal in this grappling match-up.

That is how I'm seeing this fight, favoring Diaz this time. A seriously steep uphill battle for Conor.

But this is also to say that I wouldn't detract from Conor's overall value.
Would people expect for GSP or any other well rounded consumate champion to win fights at 2 weight class' above their belt?

Just some context for thought.
 
The biggest concern for me is nates power troubling conor. Conor threw everything at nate and he ate it. Nate started to find the 1-2 and very quickly conor was bambi on ice.
 
Bork Lazer said:
I agree. Almeida's best win's were Yves Jabouin and Brad Pickett (whom he almost got KO'ed by). Mizugaki has been in there with some of the top 135'ers and I think the odds are WWAAAAYYYY off. No way should Cody be a -560 favorite. That shit is crazy.
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I dunno, they look about right to me. Seen it so many times before, the hungry young lion against the Japanese veteran. Obviously Cody's unbackable for the win at that price but I do like him to get the KO/TKO stoppage at evens, he hits a lot harder than Cruz.
 
I hope Cruzs line is playable against Cody. You can't KO him if u can't hit him
 
Boys (and girls?), I have a dreaded August wedding to go to this weekend so I'm missing the fights and therefore not going to wager. I think this card is a crapshoot, esp McG & Nate, so I'm not too disappointed to keep my wallet closed but damn I'm sore for not being able to watch.

I just stopped in here to say enjoy and good luck, all.

$0.00 to win $0.00
 
Sham5916910 said:
The biggest concern for me is nates power troubling conor. Conor threw everything at nate and he ate it. Nate started to find the 1-2 and very quickly conor was bambi on ice.
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Yeah I agree with that. You see arguments either way on whether he started landing on Conor and had success in wobbling him because he was tired and that affected his ability to take a hit, or whether him taking those shots is what mostly took it out of him.

Either way, we saw that although Conor repeatedly landed on Diaz, cut him up and clearly won r1, he didn't particularly hurt Diaz. They were good clean strikes but they didn't have him rocked and r1 is where McGregor does his best work. Obviously in MMA it only really takes ones punch with these small gloves, but it does suggest that maybe his power just doesn't carry up as much 2 weight classes higher.

That gets me onto a general question I've wondered though; why is this at 170 again? The last one was 170 because Nate was short notice and didn't want to cut to 155. This has been in the works for months though, Nate usually fights at 155 and155 is the obvious weight for McGregor if he's not fighting at 145.

Feasibly each persons next fight will be at 155 (or a slim chance of 145 for Conor). There's no issue in terms of a short notice weight cut and it'd make more sense in terms of what follows from this (neither will get a title shot at 170). Did either fighter push for the rematch to specifically be at 170? I'd have thought Conor would have wanted it at 155 and Nate probably would have gained there if he wins too since it'd put him into title contention.

With Dana saying about Conor having to fight at 145 next, bulking up to 170 doesn't make sense given he added lean muscle and vary any fat. His 145 cuts were already difficult looking at him weighing in, so why do it at 2 weight classes higher where he'll have to spend a few months cutting down lean muscle if he's too make 145? It points to him not going back to 145 but 155 but even still, surely another reason that this would make more sense at 155.

Just find it weird.
 
Tip: All Japanese fighters are typecasted as not being on par with their opponent. This statement is true for the majority of casually clueless and terribly MMA bettors. This is the reason why the lines are heavily inflated for their opponents as public perception see's Japanese fighters as beta fighters (certainly not the case). Now, with this information in mind we can exploit this by finding Japanese fighters who are live dogs and betting accordingly. Mizugaki was a perfect example of a Japanese fighter who was usually the underdog who's odds usually were undervalued. Another being Yushin Okami. Sadly, Mizugaki's getting older and the ship has sailed. I don't readily share this information with anyone, but it's a hot Friday and crushed Men's Olympic basketball bets for a tidy profit.

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Dooze said:
Just find it weird.
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he wasn't supposed to lose the first time, yet he did. kinda hard to sell conor @ 155 if he would have taken this at that weight and shit the bed again. he'd be fucked out of 170 & 155 and be forced to go back to 145. this is conor putting his eggs in one basket and hoping pretty much.
 
I'm gonna drop a link for a live stream for our forum's first Open Chat for UFC 202 and if anyone wants to join the video conference all you need is a google account, otherwise you can still join in the chat room and greet, talk bets, share excitement for some fights, just bleed, etc.

Probably at 7:30ET/4:30PT. So about 1.5 hours from now. I'm coming back from a long ass hike so I just need a bit of time to drive home and shower.
 
Dooze said:
That gets me onto a general question I've wondered though; why is this at 170 again?
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In short, Conor's ego. Iirc he insisted on the second fight taking place under exactly the same conditions as the first. He's really determined to erase all memory of that loss from his mind and prove to everyone it was a fluke, but he's making a mistake imo, it should be at 155.
 
robbiedawg said:
Fun fact:

Randa Markos' only notable wins are over Aisling Daly and Jocelyn Jones-Lybarger (BS 2 round TUF fights don't count)

She sucks
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& Casey's only notable win is over the green Stanciu... & the Tecia fight went three rounds & Felice was finished in the first, point invalid. Funny that a KK av is saying that too... :p
Wouldn't you want to say your fighter has beaten good fighters? Randa should be 4-0 in the UFC anyways(6-1 including TUF).
 
edole said:
Lol yes there is. The UFC wants a trilogy, conor wants a trilogy, even NATE wants a trilogy!

If Nate loses by cut or controversial stoppage or controversial decision, do not come in here bitching.
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Won't happen
 
Where can I bet on sherdog? I can't find it lol. I want to put everything on Connor.
 
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Randa Markos has that Princess Vespa nose.
 
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