UFC 202 - McGoat vs Diaz II - Vegas

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Is rogan good at picks?
He forgets about fights. He had no idea Holloway lost to Bermudez and I think Dustin.

One thing Nate backers have on their side is Brandon scaub picked Conor and placed a 3k bet.

Idk I've just listened to so many JREs that I've picked up little things joe has said over the years about picking fights and he seems to be pretty damn good at it. Most of the time he doesn't straight up say so he thinks is gonna win but you can tell who he's picking based off what he says
 
From memory dc had to fight tooth and nail to get rumble down even r2 he was having a nightmare to begin with. I always speak on here about glovers excellent takedowns but i think he struggles to get aj down.

This probably sounds dumb but I just keep having visions of Koscheck taking him down with ease, and even Vitor was able to get him down.

I know he's a completely different monster at 205 -- I need to rewatch the Cormier fight.
 
Im here to warn you guys about betting on Nate this early, bear with me.

First Conor was in the -400 to -450 region for the last fight and people were smashing those lines, parlaying up with Holm and betting some more on the Conor KO lines. I thought Conor had little to no value then but I certainly favored him. Nate was on 11 days short notice, had a super short camp and was gonna come into the fight in really mediocre shape even though he was gonna always gonna have the cardio advantage.

We saw in the first round, even though Nate is notorious for having slow starts, that his jab wasn't as crisp and he was getting tagged a lot from Conor. Only 2 punches landed flush as Nate rolled with most of the shots but he was clearly in second place compared to Conor. Conor kept the pressure and Nate threw the odd jab to interfere with his ryhthm. A clear 10-9 round to Conor, who dictated the pace, was aggressive and landed the more prettier and flashy shots. Nate was really bleeding and like a his brother, a doctors stoppage could have been plausible if Conor could of kept it up for 2 more rounds.

The second round was similar to round one but Conor was more flatfooted and seemed to blow his wad. His shots werent as crisp and he was breathing heavy (similar to round 2 against Mendes) but he still kept with the pressure and was throwing combination shots. It all changed when Nate hit him with a clean right straight disguised by the left jab. Conor was visibly hurt, his coupled with him clearly gassing, meant that he was on dizzy street. When Nate senses that the opponent is done, he ups the pressure. Nate's hands were clearly better in the second rond and his shots were more crisp. We all know what happened after that infamous 1-2.

Now its bullshit saying "Conor was winning until he wasn't" but with the markedly improved cardio and effective combination and single shots he applied to most of his opponents in Cage Warrior days and against Holloway and Poirier coupled with strikes to the lead leg of Nate could be a route to victory for him among many others. Simply counting him out like many think is not that smart.

Now that Conor is -110 region, shouldn't those first time backers really favor him now? He is at a better price, has the cardio to carry that increased muscle mass, sparred with bigger and longer fighters and Nate isn't as unbeatable as some guys in here are implying. His flat footed, plodding style has already been figured out and Conor certainly has the power and striking ability to finish Nate (regardless of fanboys stating he has an iron chin). He will come in looking to damage that lead leg and go to the body often and mix shots to the body and head like in his sparring videos.

Even if you favour Nate, you will have a markedly improved line after round 1 after Conor does his thing again. You could probably get an even better line after round 2 with Conor still dictating (im predicting Nate would be around +400 here) but I ultimately think that Conor wins a decision or gets a finish in round 3.

Thank you, if you took the time to read that. (Took me a solid 10 mins to write).
 
@robbiedawg

You should be banned from this section. Harassing people for their bets, bloviating at every opportunity, and repeatedly making non-bet posts in the "bets only thread". People have been telling you to stop for weeks but you don't listen. You're lucky EZ has been so lenient with you.
 
Im here to warn you guys about betting on Nate this early, bear with me.

First Conor was in the -400 to -450 region for the last fight and people were smashing those lines, parlaying up with Holm and betting some more on the Conor KO lines. I thought Conor had little to no value then but I certainly favored him. Nate was on 11 days short notice, had a super short camp and was gonna come into the fight in really mediocre shape even though he was gonna always gonna have the cardio advantage.

We saw in the first round, even though Nate is notorious for having slow starts, that his jab wasn't as crisp and he was getting tagged a lot from Conor. Only 2 punches landed flush as Nate rolled with most of the shots but he was clearly in second place compared to Conor. Conor kept the pressure and Nate threw the odd jab to interfere with his ryhthm. A clear 10-9 round to Conor, who dictated the pace, was aggressive and landed the more prettier and flashy shots. Nate was really bleeding and like a his brother, a doctors stoppage could have been plausible if Conor could of kept it up for 2 more rounds.

The second round was similar to round one but Conor was more flatfooted and seemed to blow his wad. His shots werent as crisp and he was breathing heavy (similar to round 2 against Mendes) but he still kept with the pressure and was throwing combination shots. It all changed when Nate hit him with a clean right straight disguised by the left jab. Conor was visibly hurt, his coupled with him clearly gassing, meant that he was on dizzy street. When Nate senses that the opponent is done, he ups the pressure. Nate's hands were clearly better in the second rond and his shots were more crisp. We all know what happened after that infamous 1-2.

Now its bullshit saying "Conor was winning until he wasn't" but with the markedly improved cardio and effective combination and single shots he applied to most of his opponents in Cage Warrior days and against Holloway and Poirier coupled with strikes to the lead leg of Nate could be a route to victory for him among many others. Simply counting him out like many think is not that smart.

Now that Conor is -110 region, shouldn't those first time backers really favor him now? He is at a better price, has the cardio to carry that increased muscle mass, sparred with bigger and longer fighters and Nate isn't as unbeatable as some guys in here are implying. His flat footed, plodding style has already been figured out and Conor certainly has the power and striking ability to finish Nate (regardless of fanboys stating he has an iron chin). He will come in looking to damage that lead leg and go to the body often and mix shots to the body and head like in his sparring videos.

Even if you favour Nate, you will have a markedly improved line after round 1 after Conor does his thing again. You could probably get an even better line after round 2 with Conor still dictating (im predicting Nate would be around +400 here) but I ultimately think that Conor wins a decision or gets a finish in round 3.

Thank you, if you took the time to read that. (Took me a solid 10 mins to write).

where are you seeing conor -110 region etc? you make some good points, but also consider -- at least for people in the states, we're pretty much 5d only for live betting.. and sometimes we don't get the price we are *hoping* to get between rounds... not to mention sometimes we can't get the bets in at times "this line is evaluated" etc.. or it keeps moving as you try to bet it.

if people are confident that nate gets it done, i don't blame them for making the prefight bet as a small dog.. but maybe "leave some room" (so to speak) to bet nate live
 
@robbiedawg

You should be banned from this section. Harassing people for their bets, bloviating at every opportunity, and repeatedly making non-bet posts in the "bets only thread". People have been telling you to stop for weeks but you don't listen. You're lucky EZ has been so lenient with you.

yep, let's let it be as is, let's stay on track. i agree with you. He's been warned. I hope he learns, he does know a thing or two about the sport and all opinions are welcome.
 
where are you seeing conor -110 region etc? you make some good points, but also consider -- at least for people in the states, we're pretty much 5d only for live betting.. and sometimes we don't get the price we are *hoping* to get between rounds... not to mention sometimes we can't get the bets in at times "this line is evaluated" etc.. or it keeps moving as you try to bet it.

if people are confident that nate gets it done, i don't blame them for making the prefight bet as a small dog.. but maybe "leave some room" (so to speak) to bet nate live

although I havent used the account in months still have betdsi, which I believe is operated by same co. as bookmaker. they still have live betting, no?
 
although I havent used the account in months still have betdsi, which I believe is operated by same co. as bookmaker. they still have live betting, no?

i'm pretty sure betdsi shut down live betting when bookmaker did.. almost positive
 
haven't bet any significant amount here, but i think homasi might be a bit overlooked.. he's got a pretty solid chin from what we've seen.. hits damned hard.. means really doesn't starch guys (the means RD1 line is ridiculously low, almost tempted to do NOT means rd1) -- also, hamasi NSC is +450.. kinda think means is more likely to win a decision than a finish.. idk.

granted, short notice for sabah.. and i absolutely could see dirty bird just being too technical for him..

haven't put my money where my mouth is to any extent (and in fact have some on means rd 3 and means sub in case hamasi gasses w/the short notice)

just thinking out loud. not much talk about this fight.
 
Regretting my -165 Cerrone action, obviously. This is one of the rare situations where I'm not going to add. After watching the Gastelum fight I actually agree with the recent money... Story has a damn good shot here, even if his paths are limited. Gotta let it ride, though.

I wish the Magny line would go somewhere... Magny in the -120 to -140 range is absolutely perfect imo.

I'm still holding out for that McGregor money to come in so I can get a better price on Diaz. It seems like everyone who already bet Diaz a) is already huge on him, and b) was like 'look at the first fight, it's so obvious, let me get this line now.'

Come on Irish degenerates.
 
On Uda and the over in McGregor/Diaz. I am surprised people are picking McGregor/Diaz confidently. There are key factors which favor both fighters.
 
I have decided to retire from posting on this forum.
Thanks for the cheese.
Catch ya's later.
 
Im here to warn you guys about betting on Nate this early, bear with me.

Now that Conor is -110 region, shouldn't those first time backers really favor him now? He is at a better price, has the cardio to carry that increased muscle mass, sparred with bigger and longer fighters and Nate isn't as unbeatable as some guys in here are implying. His flat footed, plodding style has already been figured out and Conor certainly has the power and striking ability to finish Nate (regardless of fanboys stating he has an iron chin). He will come in looking to damage that lead leg and go to the body often and mix shots to the body and head like in his sparring videos.

Even if you favour Nate, you will have a markedly improved line after round 1 after Conor does his thing again. You could probably get an even better line after round 2 with Conor still dictating (im predicting Nate would be around +400 here) but I ultimately think that Conor wins a decision or gets a finish in round 3.

Thank you, if you took the time to read that. (Took me a solid 10 mins to write).

How can you say that he has the cardio to carry the increased muscle mass? You can't possibly know this. Its more plausible to think that he still can't have the gastank to last a 5 round fight at WW. There are so many things to figure into going into a fight. For instance Dominick Cruz said he has to have the cutting weight period to get himself into the mind set that he is going into a fight. Its part of what gets him ready. I dont believe someone can just change up 2 weight classes and in between 1 fight figure out what most fighters take most of their careers to find out what works and what doesn't. I can totally understand that when you have 2 talented fighters anything can happen. One good punch can turn the entire fight, but more likely, It goes exactly like last fight and Conor once again has no answer for the pace, reach and boxing nate will bring for all 5 rounds.
 
I also want to bet Uda and was hoping someone would talk me into it lol. Will most likely pass on this fight though.
 
What's everyone's rational on betting on Cowboy?

Yeah, he looked good against Cote, but Rick Story is a whole different animal.

Story's style just strongly counter's Cowboy's, I think it's a terrible stylistic matchup for him. I already have 1u on Story at +145, I think Story by decision WAS +250 or so, I should've hit that hard.
 
maybe Mizugaki. splitdecision.
chin. hit accurately. good moves . Cody often opened due to the fact that has very heavy blows . if we can tighten the fight then I think the chances of greater than +400 (Pinnacle)
 
@robbiedawg

You should be banned from this section. Harassing people for their bets, bloviating at every opportunity, and repeatedly making non-bet posts in the "bets only thread". People have been telling you to stop for weeks but you don't listen. You're lucky EZ has been so lenient with you.
go fuck yourself mate
 
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