How strong is "strong enough" for you???

USADA is also doing its best to keep America sucking at weightlifting.
 
pokerandbeer said:
a few coaches over there even do bulgarian style lifting which wouldnt be in the books but they arent married to specific programming at any rate his point is they produce better lifters because as you say they have a bigger pool of lifters and thus talent....his point is the only way to keep up with these lifters in other countries is to get stronger than they are since they are simply more explosive than our Olympic lifters
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I think he's way off though. Does he really think our lifters aren't as successful simply due to strength? I think it has to do with years and years of training and the proficiency at those lifts due to those years. The extremely large selection pool as well. I think that's a really short sighted assessment to be honest.
 
Well yea that is exactly what he is saying. Does doing 1000 more reps shooting the basketball really make that much better a shooter after you have spent a large portion of time correcting your shooting. I mean if Curry would just shoot more would he would be that much more proficient of a shooter. Rip is not saying dont practice the lifts even practice alot he is saying that strength allows you the express the lifts better and he is saying that our lifters dont express the lifts better not because of a lack of practicing the lifts alot but from a lack of basic strength programming. I dont see why that is short sighted.
 
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I think that's a really flawed mentality honestly, and that's probably why he gets heat from the oly community. Has he ever put it to the test? I'd argue oly lifting is far more about technique, speed, and timing than strength. Also, it's not hard to see what some of the countries that excel in oly lifting are doing, and it's not what Rippetoe is saying.

Again, I don't follow oly lifting that closely, but a lot of comments that I've seen from other countries in regards to American lifters is the lack of proficiency in technique.

I'm not surprised that's Rippetoe's view honestly. That's exactly what he gets critiqued for outside of oly lifting as well. He keeps a very narrow mind and thinks he knows better than people that have produced far better lifters than he has.
 
I'll never forget the awful week where I had to share a gym with Rippetoe. Dudes a cunt. An ignorant, obstinate, perverted, pig headed cunt.
 
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Dan O said:
I'll never forget the awful week where I had to share a gym with Rippetoe. Dudes a cunt. An ignorant, obstinate, perverted, pig headed cunt.
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I dont disagree with your sentiments regarding his personality. Even his right hand man has come out and said stuff about him like what your saying just not quite as bluntly. He does have his issues and he wears them on his sleeve but he has many years of experience doing this and in the context i think hes right about what he is saying.
 
pokerandbeer said:
I dont disagree with your sentiments regarding his personality. Even his right hand man has come out and said stuff about him like what your saying just not quite as bluntly. He does have his issues and he wears them on his sleeve but he has many years of experience doing this and in the context i think hes right about what he is saying.
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Many years of experience only count if they're relevant.

When it comes to weightlifting, his aren't.
 
When I watch weightlifting I feel like the Americans are not only worse technically, but worse in terms of strength too. But that's just an outsider's opinion.

Why this is relevant is that much of the American “style” is directed at technique work at all cost and speed development.
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This seems a little odd
 
pokerandbeer said:
So name somebody that has it right here in America Jim?
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That's irrelevant to the current discussion, is it not?

I'm sure Dan or Jake could help you out, though.

You seem pretty stuck on this.
 
I know who Dan and Jake are dude they arent going to sway what i think and why would they?
 
Im as stuck on this as long as people want to discuss it bu other than that I dont care...i do have a life other than this shit at least i hope i do
 
pokerandbeer said:
http://www.theironsamurai.com/shane-hamman-interview-with-mark-rippetoe/

Here is Rip interiewing Shane A more notable lifter in America here and he agrees with Rippetoe for the reasons given
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The irony is that article basically states most disagree. I'm not sure at what level he's even talking about as the actual interview doesn't link anymore. No one will argue that getting stronger won't help you at oly lifting, but acting as though all oly lifters should be low bar squatting and that strength is the reason USA doesn't do good in oly lifting sounds like classic Rippetoe.
 
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