UFN 110 - Lewis vs Hunt - New Zealand

[EzFlyer]

Surely to god the dan Kelly dream ends at this event?

Brunson isn't anything special but it does take a sharp striker to catch him

Is anyone betting Dan?

heck yea i'm gonna. will wait for fight night. i'm saving the bulk of my potential action for live betting, tho, in case he does get starched in RD1.

 

[Rasdun]

Can we stop capping this fight like dummies talking about age and lawsuits and actually look how their skills match up?

looking at age when someone is on the other side of 40 is not capiping like a dummy. With his chin, power and ability to overcome adversity Lewis should be bt -170-180, value at -120, and Hunts age, although not THE factor is definitely A factor. (btw my biggest win for the year was betting 5u on Joe Smith at +180 against bhop, bc father time is undefeated!)

 

[MMA Goodfella]

Soon you can insert 53 year old Hunt next to 50 year old Nelson on BBs record

And Hunt sent the old man cascading to the floor like he'd been shot by a sniper from the nosebleeds with a .300 Win Mag.

Conversely TBB was struggling to keep upright despite having an outta shape blob with apparently no physical preparation whatsoever. FFS, heading into the fight with BB I believe Roy just hopped off the sofa and said, "let's do this!" with no reservationis. LOL I mean, he's been soft before, but here he has the aesthetics of fucking Dom Deluise and Louie Anderson mixed with the damn Michelin Man lol His training regimen included flipping over couch cushions in search of missing Funyuns which he chases down with a case of Yoo-Hoo "Nutritional supplements" he drinks prior to fight. All this while simultaneousl putting in time for scientific trials to discern how much pure unadulterated bacon grease the human body could tolerate before every artery in the heart was so clogged that fishing line couldn't pass though.

**allegedly**

 

[BigNick100]

And Hunt sent the old man cascading to the floor like he'd been shot by a sniper from the nosebleeds with a .300 Win Mag.

Conversely TBB was struggling to keep upright despite having an outta shape blob with apparently no physical preparation whatsoever. FFS, heading into the fight with BB I believe Roy just hopped off the sofa and said, "let's do this!" with no reservationis. LOL I mean, he's been soft before, but here he has the aesthetics of fucking Dom Deluise and Louie Anderson mixed with the damn Michelin Man lol His training regimen included flipping over couch cushions in search of missing Funyuns which he chases down with a case of Yoo-Hoo "Nutritional supplements" he drinks prior to fight. All this while simultaneousl putting in time for scientific trials to discern how much pure unadulterated bacon grease the human body could tolerate before every artery in the heart was so clogged that fishing line couldn't pass though.

**allegedly**

 

[DarkneT]

Still
Baffled why there's such a debate on Lewis and Hunt
There's plenty more fights to discuss that could be easy money

Only bets worth making on the main is
Doesn't go the distance
Or fight ends by KO

Picking a winner in this you honestly might as well play roulette

 

[MMA Goodfella]

Well firstly, he was just knocked out cold 3 months ago by Overeem's knee. I have a problem with calling his chin "granite" because you're looking at it as if he were in his prime. Same sort of issue I had w people saying Diego's chin would hold up against Iaquinta. If Hunt has been (t)KOed 4 times in the last few years, i don't think we can rely on it, especially considering he's considerably past normal fighting age

Here's the thing though, BB doesn't put his opponents away with strikes from the outside — this is what beats Mark Hunt – whereas BB does his damage from the top position and an opportunistic scrambles. Mark Hunt isn't going to be looking for the takedown and this will almost certainly be a kick boxing match inside MMA rules. Like I said, what beats Hunto has been work from the outside. Faster opponents who are able to explode or use their diversity to exploit his flat footed kickboxing approach. From the JDS wheelkick to the speed of Reem is what beats the Aussie. For all intents and purposes, TBB it's not this guy.

What's more, having your chin "cracked" is extremely unscientific in the way that it has been sold ass fucked in modern combat sport lexicon. For instance, Andrei Arlovski was at a point where a stiff breeze was putting him to sleep. He had lost four straight bouts including getting smoked by a far less talented Brett Rodgers. However, after making a few defensive adjustments and tightening up his vulnerabilities, he fixed those liabilities and put himself back in the UFC and in 2015-2016 was aiming for a title shot.

The same is true with Struve. He was getting snuffed every time you turned around. JDS, Hunt, Reem, and Hapa were all handing out free naps to "Skyscraper" and he appeared ready for retirement and subsequent brain damage. However, he has since demonstrated an ability to eat potent shots from cannon fire launchers like the champ Miocic along with other bomb dropper's like LavarJohnson and Pat Barry atc.

Then there's Reem. After getting slapped by Travis Browne, Bigfoot Silva, and Rothwell, he remarkably turned things around and withstood bombs from kjnocckout artist like JDS, Arlovski, Hunt, Roy, and Struve.

Basically, you have to be careful throwing around the catchall phrase "a guy with a cracked chin" because fighters can go through a period getting hurt before tightening up the vulnerabilities and then finding themselves able to withstand a barrage of virtual Tomahawk missiles landed on top of their head.

 

[NorthernLights]

Bet365 with the crazy round props as usual. BB R4/R5 @ 26.00/34.00...

 

[piglord]

cutelaba or volkanovski? perplexing decisions.

i think cutelaba at -200 is probably accurate whereas volkanovski is juiced.

still, playing someone with cutelaba's style of fighting as a strong fav feels very wrong.

 

[t6p]

Here's the thing though, BB doesn't put his opponents away with strikes from the outside — this is what beats Mark Hunt – whereas BB does his damage from the top position and an opportunistic scrambles. Mark Hunt isn't going to be looking for the takedown and this will almost certainly be a kick boxing match inside MMA rules. Like I said, what beats Hunto has been work from the outside. Faster opponents who are able to explode or use their diversity to exploit his flat footed kickboxing approach. From the JDS wheelkick to the speed of Reem is what beats the Aussie. For all intents and purposes, TBB it's not this guy.

What's more, having your chin "cracked" is extremely unscientific in the way that it has been sold ass fucked in modern combat sport lexicon. For instance, Andrei Arlovski was at a point where a stiff breeze was putting him to sleep. He had lost four straight bouts including getting smoked by a far less talented Brett Rodgers. However, after making a few defensive adjustments and tightening up his vulnerabilities, he fixed those liabilities and put himself back in the UFC and in 2015-2016 was aiming for a title shot.

The same is true with Struve. He was getting snuffed every time you turned around. JDS, Hunt, Reem, and Hapa were all handing out free naps to "Skyscraper" and he appeared ready for retirement and subsequent brain damage. However, he has since demonstrated an ability to eat potent shots from cannon fire launchers like the champ Miocic along with other bomb dropper's like LavarJohnson and Pat Barry atc.

Then there's Reem. After getting slapped by Travis Browne, Bigfoot Silva, and Rothwell, he remarkably turned things around and withstood bombs from kjnocckout artist like JDS, Arlovski, Hunt, Roy, and Struve.

Basically, you have to be careful throwing around the catchall phrase "a guy with a cracked chin" because fighters can go through a period getting hurt before tightening up the vulnerabilities and then finding themselves able to withstand a barrage of virtual Tomahawk missiles landed on top of their head.

I agree that the fight is likely to take place on the feet, but Hunt was taken down and beaten to a pulp by Stipe and Lesnar so there are certainly other paths to victory against him than striking from the outside. If Hunt ends up on the ground in anything other than top position in this fight he's going to be in trouble IMO.

 

[Antagonist88]

Cutelaba down to -170. Added to him there

 

[iGnP]

Here's the thing though, BB doesn't put his opponents away with strikes from the outside — this is what beats Mark Hunt – whereas BB does his damage from the top position and an opportunistic scrambles. Mark Hunt isn't going to be looking for the takedown and this will almost certainly be a kick boxing match inside MMA rules. Like I said, what beats Hunto has been work from the outside. Faster opponents who are able to explode or use their diversity to exploit his flat footed kickboxing approach. From the JDS wheelkick to the speed of Reem is what beats the Aussie. For all intents and purposes, TBB it's not this guy.

But i argue that its that same type of fighter that would give BB a lot of trouble. Look at what Hapa was able to do to BB before ultimately being finished by him. Hunt isn't that guy. He's turned into a plodder himself. I believe this fight is going to turn into a fire fight at some point, and while BB lacks skill and technique, I trust his chin more here. And while, yes, BB's finishes can come on the ground, I don't think it's far fetched to believe he packs some power in his punches while standing as well

What's more, having your chin "cracked" is extremely unscientific in the way that it has been sold ass fucked in modern combat sport lexicon. For instance, Andrei Arlovski was at a point where a stiff breeze was putting him to sleep. He had lost four straight bouts including getting smoked by a far less talented Brett Rodgers. However, after making a few defensive adjustments and tightening up his vulnerabilities, he fixed those liabilities and put himself back in the UFC and in 2015-2016 was aiming for a title shot.

The difference, i argue, is more of him fighter lesser opponents. After the mentioned 3 KO losses to Fedor, Silva, Rogers, and Sergei, he fought the likes of Ray Lopez, Travis Fulton, Devin Cole, Mike Hayes, and Mike Kyle before coming back to the UFC. Yeah, he lasted against Rumble but IIRC wasn't that fight mostly a clinch battle? (correct me if i'm wrong- all I remember was AA's broken jaw in that fight). Sure enough, what happens when he comes back into the UFC? 3 more KO losses and he was dropped by Browne as well.

The same is true with Struve. He was getting snuffed every time you turned around. JDS, Hunt, Reem, and Hapa were all handing out free naps to "Skyscraper" and he appeared ready for retirement and subsequent brain damage. However, he has since demonstrated an ability to eat potent shots from cannon fire launchers like the champ Miocic along with other bomb dropper's like LavarJohnson and Pat Barry atc.

You're jumping around here- all of those fights were mixed together. He didn't go through a stretch of getting KOed then turn it around afterwards. This was the order of the fights you mentioned, going from earliest to most recent

JDS (KO Loss)
Browne (KO loss)
Lavar Johnson
Pat Barry
Miocic
Hunt (KO loss)
Overeem (KO loss)

Also, Struve isn't 43. Look at Hendo, the guy had a chin made of diamond but his chin started showing signs of weakness after he hit his 40s

Then there's Reem. After getting slapped by Travis Browne, Bigfoot Silva, and Rothwell, he remarkably turned things around and withstood bombs from kjnocckout artist like JDS, Arlovski, Hunt, Roy, and Struve.

LOL Struve landed like one punch in the fight. Overeem's defense has always been decent, its always his damn cardio that fails him and leads to him getting KOed (see: Browne, Bigfoot). He was able to avoid damage against Big Country because he grappled him for the majority of the fight and even then he was hurt in the final round by the overhand right

Basically, you have to be careful throwing around the catchall phrase "a guy with a cracked chin" because fighters can go through a period getting hurt before tightening up the vulnerabilities and then finding themselves able to withstand a barrage of virtual Tomahawk missiles landed on top of their head.

And to your last point, I really dont think Hunt is learning new techniques to tighten his defense at the age of 43. At this point in his career, he is what he is.

I replied to your post in the yellow because you touched on a lot of things and I felt like it would be easier to discuss each topic separately

 

[DarkneT]

Anyone playing DraftKings has to be salivating at the fact cutelaba isn't the top priced fighter,
The way he fights is a matter of time until he gets a 1st round ko

 

[Bestonian]

Still
Baffled why there's such a debate on Lewis and Hunt
There's plenty more fights to discuss that could be easy money

Only bets worth making on the main is
Doesn't go the distance
Or fight ends by KO

Picking a winner in this you honestly might as well play roulette

I honestly think this card is really bad for betting. Like complete garbage. I found 3-4 "value bets" as in they have good odds and decent chance of winning, but nothing certain or even remotely reliable.

 

[DarkneT]

I honestly think this card is really bad for betting. Like complete garbage. I found 3-4 "value bets" as in they have good odds and decent chance of winning, but nothing certain or even remotely reliable.

It's shaping like one of those big parlay cards which I hate
But I do see a bit of value in Brunson cutelaba and mayyyyybe hooker

 

[Xenophon Hendrix]

The lines have been moving fast so far and in both directions: 30, 40, 50 cents. Hoping for an OK price to slide into view might be the way to go.

 

[walljohn]

I agree that the fight is likely to take place on the feet, but Hunt was taken down and beaten to a pulp by Stipe and Lesnar so there are certainly other paths to victory against him than striking from the outside. If Hunt ends up on the ground in anything other than top position in this fight he's going to be in trouble IMO.

Big trouble---Huge trouble---Its amazing how BB ends up so often on top sometime in a fight (other than the nelson fight) and when that happens its almost always over. No surprise though considering he is nearing 300# at fight time and has ham hocks for fists and of course GRAVITY in his favor.

 

[Antagonist88]

Anyone playing DraftKings has to be salivating at the fact cutelaba isn't the top priced fighter,
The way he fights is a matter of time until he gets a 1st round ko

Frankenstein does have poor defense, but a pretty sweet chin

 

[DarkneT]

Frankenstein does have poor defense, but a pretty sweet chin

I feel like I've witnessed a bit of quit in Frankenstein lately, I thought he was going to be something great at first sight but I'm on the fence now, he even gave me fits against Christensen, I can't see his chin wearing Ions bombs man can you

 

[BatBoyJG]

Did one bet. Ion at -170 for 3 units. That was the only line that I thought was ok.

 

[Antagonist88]

I feel like I've witnessed a bit of quit in Frankenstein lately, I thought he was going to be something great at first sight but I'm on the fence now, he even gave me fits against Christensen, I can't see his chin wearing Ions bombs man can you

Definitely some quit in him but I feel like it's mainly on the ground. He has been dropped too but I think it holds up through the first. Late finish wouldn't surprise me though.

I'll be on Cutelaba pretty big though, both betting and DK