UFC 213 - Nunes vs Shevchenko II - Vegas

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Wow. Giles sucks and arguably lost to Ryan Spann.

Bochnovic better be the biggest bum ever, cause its hard to see this dude Giles warranting -310 vs even low level UFC MWs.
 
^Don't see it either, but I haven't watched tape on him yet. Possibly Devin Powell 2.0
 
Shame the lack of footage and record of Bochnovic makes that fight completely unplayable. Giles doesn't look like he warrants -310 vs anyone decent. I mean, the dude dropped a round and then was almost KOd by that journeyman Villanueva.

Pass all day. Hopefully something bettable on the other 2 debuting guys
 
Not chancing going big with the 2 newbie fights, both fights last minute notice also. Giles, 24 and looking athletic probably gets him that juiced but who knows for sure. I like Terrion ware as a bit of a dog, he has shown some sprawls and take down defence in the past but codys his biggest and best to date and is a wrestler, but if terrion keeps it standing I like his boxing background here.

If anyone wants though I posted some bds here:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/u...henko-ii-vegas.3548257/page-20#post-131455079

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/u...henko-ii-vegas.3548257/page-19#post-131452859
 
Stoolgate part II incoming
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MMA Goodfella said:
I am absolutely baffled by this line. The only true recourse for Werdums is to either A. Land a knockout punch (Very unlikely) or B. Take it to the mat and get the submission (even less likely) Reem should theoretically have an advantage in all of the pertinent aspects of the match. Unless he absolutely does something foolish he can win this fight quite easily. What's more, adding to my confidence with Reem is the fact that he has really settled in to a nice rhythm where he uses his kickboxing with out over committing or going at a pace that exhaust him. It's also only a 3-round matter which significantly helps him not be concerned with the cardio. I really really really like him in this fight and the price.

Like I said before, I think he should be around one or 275 to -300.

In that their rematch in strikeforce over Raima opened up -270 and closed at -290 while peeking at -365 ...not much has changed between the two besides Reem is not a monster designed in a science laboratory and Werdum has gotten older. But Reem is still a big an athletic heavyweight with the same talents as when they fought in 2011. I think Werdum has devolved or at least plateaued over the last year and a half.
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Sorry but I don't agree with almost anything you said... How did you write this long of a write-up on why "werdum is unlikely to knock out reem"?? Odds should be -300?? What?

A) can't k.o reem?? werdum knocked out Mark hunt He can k.o glass chin reem

B) can't sub reem?? If he stuns him there's no reason he can't sub him for a 2nd time.

Werdum out cardioed and beat Cain in stand-up before subbing him. You don't think reems new style of running around drains his cardio?

I favor overeem too but none of what you said really makes sense
 
Goddamn, dude is a genetic freak. Best he ever looked in the UFC so far? Seems a bit leaner too.
 
I look at Romero, and I can't help but wonder if he has a way of beating USADA. I'm not accusing him. I don't have any evidence. But look at the guy.
 
Xenophon Hendrix said:
I look at Romero, and I can't help but wonder if he has a way of beating USADA. I'm not accusing him. I don't have any evidence. But look at the guy.
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Believe in Jesus bro and thats what can happen for you #justbelieve #noforgetjesus
 
Omg, +5 1/2 pts handicap available for Camozzi. Lmao. So disrespectful - did Laprise become an unstoppable killer overnight and I missed it?

EDIT: Nevermind, this appears to be an error on BFO's part. I was about to take some of that.
 
jrleclerc88 said:
Sorry but I don't agree with almost anything you said... How did you write this long of a write-up on why "werdum is unlikely to knock out reem"?? Odds should be -300?? What?


A) can't k.o reem?? werdum knocked out Mark hunt He can k.o glass chin reem


B) can't sub reem?? If he stuns him there's no reason he can't sub him for a 2nd time.


Werdum out cardioed and beat Cain in stand-up before subbing him. You don't think reems new style of running around drains his cardio?


I favor overeem too but none of what you said really makes sense
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Here allow me to write even more.

Don't get it twisted, Werdum certainly can knock out Reem and he definitely can submit him, but he needs to get it to the floor to do so. I just don't see him landing that strike to get it there and very unlikely that he gets a takedown. I can't stand that running and resetting bullshit that Gus and Reem do but if it helps them to disengage from a firefight then more power to them..

Reem'sbcardio has looked fine lately and Werdum has looked like shit to be honest. He has devolved or flat out plateaued over the last year and a half while Overeem has gotten better or at worst remain static. He was giving Stipe a really great fight before getting caught.

But when has Werdum ever been known for his heavy hands?

Werdum simply isn't a knockout artist. Let's just clear that up real quick. Yeah on his resume he has six knockouts, but the majority of them came at the very beginning of his career. He hasn't had but a single KO in over FIVE years.

Yes he did knock out Mark Hunt, but that was not from a punch, that was a flying knee from the super athletic Werdum that was seemingly heavy on his "gummy bear juice" at the time. He was getting handled pretty clearly by Hunt — who took that fight on super short notice mind you — before leaping through the air and landing a very unlikely knock out. A type of knock out that he had never had an early 30 career fights. It's fair to say Hunt was not expecting that technique LO

The only other knockout he has had was against the epitome of mediocrity and Mike Russow. He was unable to put a glass chinned Travis Browne away in over eight rounds of them fighting. A Travis Browne who has been knocked out 3 times in his last 5 fights.

If were being completely honest, Werdum has had a pretty underwhelming schedule of opposition since coming over from StrikeForce.

His body of work includes victories over Roy Nelson, Big Nog, Mark Hunt, Travis Browne 2X and Mike Russow.

Big Nog is old as shit and was a husk of his former self, Roy Nelson was 37 and far past it (never that good) then, Travis Browne has become a joke of late and Mike Russow is Mike Russow LOL.

Now, the best victory Werdum has had was against Cain Velasquez. However, that can be picked apart as well given the fact that Velasquez looked like a shell of himself. A virtual ghost. Absolutely no cardio and was finished after round one, completely spent of energy. That's a great victory on paper, but IRL not so much.

I'm not trying to take anything away from m I'm just trying to remain objective.

His loss of coarse was a first round shellacking to champion Stipe.

In contrast, ovary has fight fight against a much more solid list of competitors IMO.

These were against Brock Lesnar, Ben Rothwell, Frank Mir, Bigfoot Silva, Travis Browne, Mark Hunt, Stipe Miocic, Andrei Arlovski, Junior dos Santos, Roy Nelson, Stefan Struve.

The only losses were of course to Silva, Browne and Stipe.

When he first entered he had a ton of bad luck. He took on what was then a juiced out of his mind Bigfoot Silva who he was smashing for 2 1/2 rounds before getting caught in the third. His other L against Travis Browne was an even more strange defeat. It was a fight most referees would have stopped. Overeem was beating him so bad that members of the crowd were calling the police. It was a fucking mugging. Who would've guessed that Browne survived that storm and comes back to win with a front kick in the face after that?

Since then however Overeem has righted the ship.

He has won 5 of his last 6 and 6 of his last 7. What's more, he has finished 4 of his last 6 with the only exception coming to the iron chin Roy Nelson.

He very easily could be 10-2 or at the worst 10-1 in his 11 UFC fights had things played out just a bit different.

In my opinion, his only 100% earned losses that were inexcusable came against Rothwell and Stipe, although he put up a hell of a fight vs. the champ before getting caught he was giving him all he can handle.

Like I said, with my faults the second time the line open that -270 closed at -290 and pick up -365. What has changed since then? Not much. Stylistically they match up exactly the same and I expected to play out just like the rematch.

And I realize that Reem is flaky and also a juicer so I'm not trying to cast aspersions only one Werdum. We just see this in opposite directions I suppose. But Reem did win the last match and has won five out of six so I believe he gets it done.

BTW: if you want to do a side bet for like $100 or $200 I'm down. If you want to do more than that I'm cool to just tell me the number. Not more than $1000 though LOL

God damn I didn't realize I had wrote the sequel to war and peace LOL sorry
 
Xenophon Hendrix said:
I look at Romero, and I can't help but wonder if he has a way of beating USADA. I'm not accusing him. I don't have any evidence. But look at the guy.
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A simple genetic freak. An outliers of all outliers. Plus he is blessed by the Lord you silly.
 
Holy fucking smokes! I didn't even see that Romero work out until just now. I might have to go back and amend my breakdown of Whitaker and Romero now LOL. Rarely have I ever put much stock in the aesthetics of the human anatomy as pertaining to I mixed martial arts contest, but if there was ever a case…

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PuertoRican said:
This used to be a valid excuse. However, Travis has been in the UFC for 7 years, which essentially makes him a veteran.

He has always been full of excuses. It's like he is unable to see the fault in himself, and that he has stagnated as a fighter.
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Why did he fall off IYO PR?
 


Slightly better video.

That is one bad ass PT, mustache and all. I'm copying this workout.
 
As I previously said, I'm already on reem, but to say he should be -300 is kind of crazy.
 
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