After watching Smith vs Gus, I'm not convinced that Jones runs through the PRIDE LHW division.

[orca]

Lmfao jone jones would kill kill em all.wtf is wrong with people nowadays?jon jones is just the best fighter on this planet.

 

[orca]

He's already juiced to the gills

It would be far worse for him because his competition would be free to juice too

He fought rampage machida evans and shogun before usada.clearly no drug testing.he smashed them all.
They cant do nothing to jones clearly ur a hater if u think all of them before usada are honest and clean .and jon jones is the only cheater right?

 

[p4pgoat]

Gus is the second best win on Jon's resume and the guy that arguably beat prime Jones......who just got finished by a MW journeyman.

I think the prime versions of Shogun, Hendo, Wand, Reem, Arona, Lil Nog etc. give Jones a run for his money and may even beat him in a tournament format under PRIDE rules.

I used to think that Jones was too good for all of them, but now I've changed my mind after seeing just how shit his competition really is.


I also used to think that Jones vs prime Fedor was a 50-50 fight, but now I'm 90% sure that Fedor would've laid him the fuck out.

Peep the murder's row Jones went through from 2011-2015.

Gus isn't his second best win. He's literally beaten everyone @ 205.

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

As nice of an idea as it is to think of Jones being beaten by pride greats, I just don’t see it.

I agree that Rua puts up a better fight in his prime, but Jones still beats him. I can’t even imagine Jones’s ground and pound with the pride rules.

 

[locust rising]

Gus is the second best win on Jon's resume and the guy that arguably beat prime Jones......who just got finished by a MW journeyman.

I think the prime versions of Shogun, Hendo, Wand, Reem, Arona, Lil Nog etc. give Jones a run for his money and may even beat him in a tournament format under PRIDE rules.

I used to think that Jones was too good for all of them, but now I've changed my mind after seeing just how shit his competition really is.


I also used to think that Jones vs prime Fedor was a 50-50 fight, but now I'm 90% sure that Fedor would've laid him the fuck out.

LOL

 

[Espresso]

Jones fought old farts, bloated up MWs, shit fighters.

Gus was 50/50 (first fight), but his only decent win is fat Cormier.

Even Conors resume is better.

fat Cormier, is HW Cormier

 

[Melas Chasma]

He said it was his most difficult fight. Doesnt mean its his best win.

Maidana gave Floyd arguably his most difficult fight. Doesnt mean its his best win.

Em. MMA history will dictate who's Jones 2nd best win. And it won't be Gus. Guys who were better than Gus:

Shogun
Machida
Rampage
Rashad

You could argue others.

Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad.. At the time Gus fought Jones, in hindsight he would have been the favorite to beat all those fighters which makes him the better win for Jones. And yes MMA history has already dictated that long time ago, that's why Gus was ranked years just behind Jones and DC since 2013 despite losing to both of them and not having a lot of notable wins on top of that. That means journalists who voted those rankings were able to take the context of those fights in consideration, not just a W or L on a record. Having a notable name doesn't mean much without context. Sonnen has wins over Rampage and Wanderlei Silva, but that doesn't mean they are Sonnen's best wins.

Gus is the only clean fighter ever to give DC a close fight, and the only fighter ever period to give Jones a close fight. It doesn't matter the decisions didn't go his way when the fights were that close, the difference between those fights vs Jones's and DC's fights against every other opponent were so huge, that you can't just ignore that. The level he proved he can fight is what matters. You are talking about accomplisments, Im talking about fighter's ability at the time of the fight. Even in their primes Shogun, Machida, Rampage and Rashad or pretty much any LHW ever likely couldn't have given prime Jones and prime DC the kind of fights Gus proved he could.

Think about this: If just a couple of random men behind their desks would have drawn different numbers on their scorecards on some of the closest rounds in those fights, which could have easily happen, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Or Gus would have landed a couple jabs here and there more, or Jones/DC would have missed a couple here and there. That's how thin ice your whole argument lies on. Your argument basically is that the fighter who happened to be on the losing end of such fights should be considered "the most overrated fighter ever", or whatever bullshit you have spewed on here about Gus the last view days. In short, you are retarded.

But believe what you want, Im done.

 

[wilKO]

Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad.. At the time Gus fought Jones, in hindsight he would have been the favorite to beat all those fighters which makes him the better win for Jones. And yes MMA history has already dictated that long time ago, that's why Gus was ranked years just behind Jones and DC since 2013 despite losing to both of them and not having a lot of notable wins on top of that. That means journalists who voted those rankings were able to take the context of those fights in consideration, not just a W or L on a record. Having a notable name doesn't mean much without context. Sonnen has wins over Rampage and Wanderlei Silva, but that doesn't mean they are Sonnen's best wins.

Gus is the only clean fighter ever to give DC a close fight, and the only fighter ever period to give Jones a close fight. It doesn't matter the decisions didn't go his way when the fights were that close, the difference between those fights vs Jones's and DC's fights against every other opponent were so huge, that you can't just ignore that. The level he proved he can fight is what matters. You are talking about accomplisments, Im talking about fighter's ability at the time of the fight. Even in their primes Shogun, Machida, Rampage and Rashad or pretty much any LHW ever likely couldn't have given prime Jones and prime DC the kind of fights Gus proved he could.

Think about this: If just a couple of random men behind their desks would have drawn different numbers on their scorecards on some of the closest rounds in those fights, which could have easily happen, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Or Gus would have landed a couple jabs here and there more, or Jones/DC would have missed a couple here and there. That's how thin ice your whole argument lies on. Your argument basically is that the fighter who happened to be on the losing end of such fights should be considered "the most overrated fighter ever", or whatever bullshit you have spewed on here about Gus the last view days. In short, you are retarded.

But believe what you want, Im done.

Shogun was ranked number 1 when Jones beat him. Gus has never held a belt in his life. His best wins are ancient Shogun which wasn't even that convincing and washed up Glover. Just because he did well against Jones doesn't mean anything. Name me the top 10 LHWs of all time and show me where Gus ranks, because he doesn't.

 

[It Just Is]

I think Rashad was Jones second best win. At the time, Shad looked pretty stellar. Bar the Machida bout, Shad was dominant at that time and had inside knowledge on Jon's fighting tendacies and still lossed.

Machida was also a good win for Jones.

 

[chinarice]

Well,

You are wrong. All of the guys you mentioned would be utterly destroyed by DC let alone Jones.

Also, if its under PRIDE rules, Jon can use stomps...you think a few years yonger is going to help Shogun not die against the GOAT?

You sound super salty bro. I love those guys, but they'd get murdered by Jones and DC.

Murdered? Lol cmon. All those guys mentioned were better than Smith or Gus. Smith didn't even get murdered by Jon and Gus who is probably the most overrated fighter ever just got finished by this guy.

Liddell, wand, lil nog, arona, rampage, Shogun, etc,. were all better LHWs than everyone except for Jones and DC.

 

[NoSmilez]

Jones rapes all of Pride... Can you imagine him allowed to really juice? Not dick pills, not picograms etc etc. The premier Pride LHW fighter was Wand. The same Wand that had to cut a weight class down in the UFC. I can't stand Jones as a person but he is the best LHW fighter that ever competed in MMA's short history.
Jones is still working on his game and trying to improve his technique. I think that quality is very underrated. Along with the ability to somewhat stay injury free makes him a freak. He is only 31 years old and he doesn't seem to be slowing down.

 

[MusterX]

The only elite PRIDE LHW he fought was Shogun, who was 6 years past his prime and coming off several serious knee injuries.

Shogun's prime was when he was a 23 years old? He was only 29 when he fought Bones.

 

[Taric]

Under Pride sanctions where you can juice to your hearts content Jones would be pretty much unstoppable.

It would actually hurt him because the playing field would become even.

 

[Mike]

Please- if Quinton Jackson was never born, Silva s fan base would never of reached the rabid height it did.
Lost all respect for him when he pulled that cowardly April fools joke to fight Gegard when his opponent was pulled.

What mma fighter does such a thing?

Btw, his UFC record speaks volumes

His ufc record? When he was clearly past his prime? Come on you've been a fan long enough to know better.

 

[kflo]

Gus is the second best win on Jon's resume and the guy that arguably beat prime Jones......who just got finished by a MW journeyman.

I think the prime versions of Shogun, Hendo, Wand, Reem, Arona, Lil Nog etc. give Jones a run for his money and may even beat him in a tournament format under PRIDE rules.

I used to think that Jones was too good for all of them, but now I've changed my mind after seeing just how shit his competition really is.


I also used to think that Jones vs prime Fedor was a 50-50 fight, but now I'm 90% sure that Fedor would've laid him the fuck out.

smith is more of a natural lhw than most of the guys you mentioned. lol at you changing your entire mind based on that fight.

i understand that seeing smith do that to shogun was sad to see.

 

[dmwalking]

Gus is the second best win on Jon's resume and the guy that arguably beat prime Jones......who just got finished by a MW journeyman.

I think the prime versions of Shogun, Hendo, Wand, Reem, Arona, Lil Nog etc. give Jones a run for his money and may even beat him in a tournament format under PRIDE rules.

I used to think that Jones was too good for all of them, but now I've changed my mind after seeing just how shit his competition really is.


I also used to think that Jones vs prime Fedor was a 50-50 fight, but now I'm 90% sure that Fedor would've laid him the fuck out.

Ok, let's put this in proper context.

The "arguably beat him" argument is irrelevant since Jones destroyed Gus in the rematch. Second, Smith is not a MW journeyman, he is literally a LHW title contender who fought for the title after a legit climb to the top. Discrediting him for formerly being a weight class below is silly. For that matter, any one who's lost to someone from a lower weight class must be a bum by your logic. That's obvioiusly not true.

You THINK the prime versions of roided up Pride guys would be too much. That's debatable. I also THINK. But I think Jones would destroy them all. I mean, if you wanna do MMAth about Gus and Smith, let's do some MMAth for the fact that Jones crushed DC and DC crushed Hendo. So that's one down. Lil Nog? Another guy who DC would crush. In fact, DC would crush everyone in that list. And Jones owned him in both fights.

You tried your best. But your logic is trash.

 

[dmwalking]

Can you imagine how many picograms he would be pulsing in Pride?

A Pride roided Jones would've been way crazier than his UFC version. He'd burn through LHW with ease.

 

[NoSmilez]

I enjoyed Pride but I will admit their training is a bit archaic. During that time, how many of those folks even had a dedicated strength and conditioning coach and nutritionist? The 5'11 LHW Pride/UFC mold for a competitor are few rather than the norm.

The new crop of guys might not seem larger than life but they are larger fighters with great cardio. It's no longer LHW Reem with a 7 minute gas tank. I also think it is also the way UFC is set up and they give ample time for fighters to train and form a gameplan instead of the 2 week notice to fight a random opponent.

 

[BJpencil]

He didn't destroy some opponents, notably DC and Gus first fights. So almost is appropriate.

DC is better than those guys. Gus back then was very good and Jones might have taken him lightly.

 

[TheWalrusNo9]

Prime Shogun and Ranoage give Jones a good fight, but you have to favor Jones over all the Pride MWs. Prime Wand has a chance for KO versus ANYONE, but you have to favor Jones heavily in that fight due to size.

Jones gets mauled by Prime Fedor, Nog & Cro Cop though.