PS5 announced for 2020 Holiday Season

[rob mafia]

Right, incredibly powerful laptops that cost $2000 can run the demo better than a $500 console. Incredible, next you’ll tell me that a Charger isn’t as fast as a Corvette. Looking forward to the $500 PC that can run it that well. Would be quite the deal.

Several people here have made the argument that Sony was claiming the PS5 was more powerful than any PC. Weird how there hasn’t been a single quote showing that.

I’ve also had several people claim I was under that impression as well. Weird how there isn’t a single quote showing that.

It was marketing bs from Unreal, nothing more, nothing less. And still, master racers remain immense dorks.

...and you missed every single point while continuing to make comparisons about $. never change.

 

[Dizzy]

...and you missed every single point while continuing to make comparisons about $. never change.

Nope, I understand fully. I’m still waiting for @jefferz to show me where Sony stated this was more powerful than any PC and where I bought into it.

The clickbait headliner was “laptop outperforms PS5.” Which was deliberate to give the idea that a pitiful little laptop beat the PS5 in performance. Then they had to add the caveat that the PC was “no slouch” as they finally revealed several paragraphs in that it was an extremely powerful piece of equipment. Yes, a desktop can outperform a laptop so the line of reasoning is that a top of the line PC can outperform a $500 console that was highly touted by a third party. Is this news to anyone but master race dorks?

Nothing is lost on me here. As I already said, if anyone thought a $500 console would perform better than a $1500+ PC then they’re idiots. Nothing really more to say.

 

[rob mafia]

Nope, I understand fully. I’m still waiting for @jefferz to show me where Sony stated this was more powerful than any PC and where I bought into it.

The clickbait headliner was “laptop outperforms PS5.” Which was deliberate to give the idea that a pitiful little laptop beat the PS5 in performance. Then they had to add the caveat that the PC was “no slouch” as they finally revealed several paragraphs in that it was an extremely powerful piece of equipment. Yes, a desktop can outperform a laptop so the line of reasoning is that a top of the line PC can outperform a $500 console that was highly touted by a third party. Is this news to anyone but master race dorks?

Nothing is lost on me here. As I already said, if anyone thought a $500 console would perform better than a $1500+ PC then they’re idiots. Nothing really more to say.

...i like how you just keep stating it's clickbait, as if it will make it true. there's nothing misleading about it and you just explained how it's not provocative. so...

 

[Wingslaught]

No, it's not. For the comparison to be disingenuous it would have to forward that the performance value of the PC is superior. Cost isn't what is being compared. Performance is what is being compared.

You can get better performance, period. That's the point.

Nevertheless, since you want to press this, why don't we be more precise?
-- First, what's the price of you-can't-buy-it? That's the PS5. Not available. That laptop you can buy today. Could have bought one just like it for roughly the same price 16 months ago!
-- Second, we don't know the exact MSRP of the PS5, but accepting $499-$549 base on the Bloomberg report, and knowing now that the SSD speed apparently has nothing to do with UE5's performance potential, you can match this performance for much less than 3x-4x the cost in a desktop. In fact, you'll hit it for 1.75x-1.95x that cost, and that's buying today. PC prices will only get better.

Spoiler: $965 Desktop you can build today that will run UE5 better than the PS5

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME H310M-E R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($56.07 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($53.96 @ Newegg)
Total: $969.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-23 16:50 EDT-0400

As far as a single-GPU build? The Xbox 360. Failed rhetorical question.

So go tell all the Playstation fanboys on Reddit who were waving the console master race flag after the engine's demo. Turns out it won't even run it better than the XSX. As far as marketing rhetoric being issued, here was a statement Sweeney made to the press upon the unveiling of the new engine. These were statements made in interviews asking about the new engine:
https://www.theverge.com/21256299/e...-ps5-ssd-impressive-pc-gaming-future-next-gen
“We’ve been working super close with Sony for quite a long time on storage,” he says. “The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on anything on PC for any amount of money right now. It’s going to help drive future PCs. [The PC market is] going to see this thing ship and say, ‘Oh wow, SSDs are going to need to catch up with this.”
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/14/ps5-ssd-hardware-better-high-end-pc-says-epic-games-12701455/
Speaking in an interview with Geoff Keighley, Sweeney said that the PlayStation 5’s SSD is, ‘not only the best in class in console but also the best in class on any platform; better than high-end PC. This is going to enable the types of immersion we’ve only dreamed of in the past.’

‘The days of pop-in and geometry popping up as you’re going through these game environments are ended. The resulting effect is the ability to build games that are fully immersive from start to finish over hundreds of hours of gameplay.’

It's obvious what he was insinuating, that it was going to take PCs time to catch up, due to the SSD speed, and it's complete bullshit. PCs from 2018 could run this engine, and run it better than the PS5 or XSX will.

You are such a sucker for console hype, Dizz.

The Sony execs are definitely trying to generate some next-level hype. I say let's accept the PS5 for what it will be, a worthwhile improvement over PS4.

 

[Goonerview]

I feel like the PS4 hasn't even been out that long.

The PS4, in general, hasn't been that great IMO. I remember when I bought a PS4, the PS4 Pro was also on sale. I asked the sales clerk what the difference was (I genuinely didn't know) and he said, "oh, the hard-drive is bigger" ... when in fact, the processor is faster/better and pretty much everything is upgraded.

I bought a vanilla PS4, but, I really should have bought a PS4 Pro, as when I tried playing games like "Days Gone", it was almost unplayable with how bad the framerates were.

 

[Wingslaught]

I feel like the PS4 hasn't even been out that long.

The PS4, in general, hasn't been that great IMO. I remember when I bought a PS4, the PS4 Pro was also on sale. I asked the sales clerk what the difference was (I genuinely didn't know) and he said, "oh, the hard-drive is bigger" ... when in fact, the processor is faster/better and pretty much everything is upgraded.

I bought a vanilla PS4, but, I really should have bought a PS4 Pro, as when I tried playing games like "Days Gone", it was almost unplayable with how bad the framerates were.

Plus PS4 Pro has 4k support.

 

[Goonerview]

Plus PS4 Pro has 4k support.

Yeah, that store clerk was pretty useless.

I thought it was the same differences like that of PS3s. There were many types of PS3, where the only difference was the size of the hard-drive.

I feel like they should have made it really clear what the difference was between PS4 and PS4 pro.

Also, the idea of having a PS4 pro is kind of dumb. It should just be one console.

 

[Madmick]

I feel like the PS4 hasn't even been out that long.

The PS4, in general, hasn't been that great IMO. I remember when I bought a PS4, the PS4 Pro was also on sale. I asked the sales clerk what the difference was (I genuinely didn't know) and he said, "oh, the hard-drive is bigger" ... when in fact, the processor is faster/better and pretty much everything is upgraded.

I bought a vanilla PS4, but, I really should have bought a PS4 Pro, as when I tried playing games like "Days Gone", it was almost unplayable with how bad the framerates were.

This is why I was advising new buyers to purchase the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X a few years ago in 2018. The base PS4 & XB1 had dropped to ~$250 over here, but you could get the PS4 Pro for $350, and the Xbox One X had just dropped to $400. I backed up ITJ in this thread, and yet several posters threw shade at us. It wasn't about hardware snobbery. It was about the best console experience:
I bought a PS4. Now what?

FYI, the original consoles are increasingly running into framerate drops that even the least graphically snobby gamer will notice. Sometimes this also happens on the more advanced consoles with their higher settings, but all it takes is a patch to fix. With the original consoles there is nothing that can be done to close up the lack of processing overhead. One of the first examples that was atrocious was Far Cry 3 on the previous generation of consoles. It has been noticed on multiple games since though it usually isn't that bad (drops to ~22fps-26fps from 30fps). Far Cry, God of War, Battlefield, and Assassin's Creed are all examples of franchises known for this. For PC crossover titles like PUBG it's often at its worst. Generally speaking, this isn't a huge deal, but it's irritating, because in some games, for some busy areas or sequences of the game, it's a reliable failure, and it just sucks.

Even more meaningful are the load time differences. This is important to everyone. Here a Reddit user compiled the differences between the original Xbox One and the Xbox One X, but a similar discrepancy has been recorded between the PS4 and PS4 Pro:

Don't expect browsing between apps to be as snappy, either. Anything you do on the older consoles will reflect the same sluggishness recorded here.

Either variant of the console works, sure, but it's 2018, and you really shouldn't be buying hardware that was already outdated in 2013-- not even console hardware. I'm inclined to agree with him on that point.

On the $$ premium for the elite units over the base units:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/146943487/

Yes, I was addressing you, but this is a forum. You aren't the only audience to this discourse. This isn't a PM. I'm suggesting this for everyone. The PS4/XB1S are built on 2010 reference hardware architecture.

Indeed, needing isn't synonymous to wanting (i.e. caring). Again, everyone cares about "slightly better graphics". Telling yourself differently is lying to yourself. Saying you don't care to the tune of $200 is a different story. You care. You just don't care about it as much as you care about $200. This is the nuance you failed to grasp: the matter of opportunity cost. I'm not willing to buy an airplane ticket to get to SoCal when I could drive a car, but I'm not going to lie to myself that I wouldn't take a private plane every trip if I had that Bezos money.

A word of warning on what to expect in the future that is arriving later this year:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/147031791/

WHY NOT TO BUY AN XBOX ONE S OR PS4 SLIM IN 2018 & BEYOND
Whether or not there is another iteration of either PS4/XB1, it is clear that Sony and Microsoft no longer have any desire to develop truly custom hardware for their consoles, and so we can expect more x86/x64 architecture for the next gen. When that next gen comes, what happens with all those games released on the new console? I'm speaking to true Multiplats, Platform exclusives, and Console exclusives. What happens? Especially for the first few years of the new console's existence?

Well, of course, they also develop versions of the game for the previous generation of consoles! They want the largest market penetration. That is going to be easier than ever before for developers because the next generation of consoles with be built on this same architecture as the previous generation (this was not the case for the PS3/X360). That's because games & game licensing is where Sony and Microsoft make their money-- not the consoles themselves. It was only around 2016 with the release of the updated Slim/S units that they really abandoned the previous gen, and stopped developing the multiplats for the previous gen, signaling to gamers, "Okay, the grace period for having purchased our last console is over...time to upgrade, or be left behind."

However, we are already seeing these developers strain just to make today's AAA releases playable on the original PS4/XB1.

That's why Far Cry 5 can't even maintain a 30fps framelock despite the nerfed graphics. It's not even conforming to console standards. Most of the more advanced franchises are having these problems. The only reason they are willing to bend over backwards to even create a version of the game with those nerfed graphics, which isn't something they can automate with downsampling, is for the reason I have already cited; because the XBX and PS4 Pro make up a relatively small portion of the overall hardware market for these consoles.

My suspicion is that when the next generation of consoles is released they won't even bother with the older units. It will be too limiting-- too difficult. In fact, my prediction is they will discontinue sales of the older units, and only sell the Pro & X after the new consoles are released. This will provide a marketing excuse NOT to develop for the original versions. "You can't play these new games on the PS4: only the PS4 Pro. If you don't have that version of the console, you can buy it today for much more cheaply than the PS5."

Even if I'm wrong, and they make an effort to cross-develop those games for the original units and their revisions in the first 1-2 years of the PS5, I am supremely confident I won't be wrong at some point in the PS5 lifespan. At some point, they are going to throw out the original units for development, and set the more advanced units as the baseline. The more advanced units will have a longer lifespan of relevancy into the next generation.

This is an argument that even the most hardcore "I only care about the games" bro cannot rationally dismiss. You saved $200 today, but part of your purchase was expedited obsolescence.

 

[Goonerview]

This is why I was advising new buyers to purchase the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X a few years ago in 2018. The base PS4 & XB1 had dropped to ~$250 over here, but you could get the PS4 Pro for $350, and the Xbox One X had just dropped to $400. I backed up ITJ in this thread, and yet several posters threw shade at us. It wasn't about hardware snobbery. It was about the best console experience:
I bought a PS4. Now what?

On the $$ premium for the elite units over the base units:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/146943487/

A word of warning on what to expect in the future that is arriving later this year:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/147031791/

Yeah, if only I had read your post two years ago. lol

Vanilla PS4 definitely has frame rate issues. It’s annoying.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Vanilla PS4 definitely has frame rate issues. It’s annoying.

Because a year after the initial PS4 release CPU and GPU hardware standards made a massive jump. HDD's being used as a primary storage device was being phased out for SSD's. Its why Sony and Microsoft needed to introduce two newer hardware variations over the last seven years.

This coming generation of consoles will have the same problem. 3.6ghz on a processor when Intel is pushing past 5.3ghz doesnt look good.

 

[method115]

Yeah, if only I had read your post two years ago. lol

Vanilla PS4 definitely has frame rate issues. It’s annoying.

I will add though that I think Days Gone had a lot of issues when it was initially released that were later fixed in a patch. So that might have been part of the problem. I got the pro right away once I heard it was an improvement everywhere (OS) not just games. Well worth it IMO.

 

[tehJameson]

Per usual I will be there on release to get the ps5 as I did with ps3 and ps4. Although it'll likely collect dust for half a year like my ps4 did.

What are we guessing the price is finna be? I say 599

 

[mixmastermo]

This bickering over consoles and PCs is pretty funny to me.. but that's probably because I eventually buy all of them...

I did skip Xbox One though.. their 360 hardware issues coupled with their anti-consumer policies leading up to the Xbox one launch left a bad taste in my mouth... Looks like I didnt miss much anyway as there's a lack of good exclusives on the One...

This gen I might just stick with Switch and PC.

 

[rob mafia]

This gen I might just stick with Switch and PC.

honestly, it's probably the way to go.

 

[Swing]

Given the potentially high price, I might just opt for a new video card. If a ps5 really does cost 600 then I'd rather put that towards actually being able to hit 141 fps at 1440p.

 

[adam199]

The claims being made about the XSX and PS5 are some of the most absurd of any console generation. There's no way in hell they can match high-end PCs and have even faster harddrives than what's available unless the systems cost a fortune.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Per usual I will be there on release to get the ps5 as I did with ps3 and ps4. Although it'll likely collect dust for half a year like my ps4 did.

What are we guessing the price is finna be? I say 599

No way it's 600. Ps3 bombed hard at that price

 

[hillelslovak87]

That's not a Playstation, that's a George Foreskin Grill.

 

[method115]

This bickering over consoles and PCs is pretty funny to me.. but that's probably because I eventually buy all of them...

I did skip Xbox One though.. their 360 hardware issues coupled with their anti-consumer policies leading up to the Xbox one launch left a bad taste in my mouth... Looks like I didnt miss much anyway as there's a lack of good exclusives on the One...

This gen I might just stick with Switch and PC.

Yea I've owned them all this gen. I sold my xbox one though cause nothing came out for it. I also sold my switch when my company moved me to an office way closer to home. It eliminated all my free time to play when I'm away from home which was the only reason I got it cause I had so much free time.

 

[Dizzy]

Nice