Stipe's wins are far better than Fedor's

[Bad Karate]

Lol knew this was gonna go 20 plus pages... Don't nobody butthurt like Fedor fans.

 

[Cranberry2.0]

I just explained why it's bullshit. Fedor ducked the UFC TWICE. And he ducked Overeem. Do you know what that includes? Lesnar, Couture, Gonzaga, Kongo, Carwin, Cain, JDS, Overeem.

So it's bad enough that he ducked the fights that everyone wanted to see. But then he gets finished 3x in a row in strikeforce, including once by a middleweight. He ducked so many fighters and STILL got finished in devastating fashion.

Then he comes back and then gets demolished by Maldonado and Mitrione, and then he has funny looking fights with sonnen and rampage

And what do you think chael is saying to fedor here? lol

You just named the UFC roster at the time while completely ignoring Fedor's 31-0 record. Like he needed to beat the guys you mentioned to solidify his record, that's a legitimate lol. You think Fedor, all 5'11 fighting at heavyweight was afraid? Gsp, Silva, Jones have all stayed in they're weight classes. It's preposterous to accuse Fedor of ducking like it's a fact. That's what annoys me about you're post

Fedor fought giants for years, and as a small heavyweight, once his speed and reactions diminished, he was in trouble. You didn't counter any of my arguments towards his greatness, all you've done is mention fights he lost over a decade into his career.

 

[GOATtalks]

He’s not just a MW he has fought at LHW and HW, that’s like saying if Conor wins some fights at WW whoever he beats “lost to a featherweight”. Some people cut weight some people don’t. It’s not like Fedor is some giant either

Conor is a huge FW, a big LW and a bit undersized WW.
Hendo is an average MW, a bit undersized LHW and doesn’t belong at HW. Imagine him against Francis. It would be manslaughter

 

[iloveufc123]

They both did their thang during their era well I mean let's see what else Stipe can accomplish but from the looks of it.

That resume speaks for itself.

 

[GOATtalks]

No, rankings are there for a reason and beating Arlovski while ranked number 2 in the world is a better win. That’s why ppl include top 5 Nd top 10 wins when discussing resumes of fighters

Rankings don’t mean that much.
When Stipe fought DC the first time, DC wasn’t ranked as a HW.
When Khabib fought Conor, Conor wasn’t ranked as a LW. Yet it’s his best win.

Also it depends which ranking you use. By FightMatrix AA was #6 against Fedor and #3 against Stipe.

 

[lukeuidswords]

Who else in Pride did Arona have in full mount for pretty much half of the fight? lmao.

Do you think Arona needs extra training to throw punches to Fedor's head while he is in full mount? lol.

No amount of extra training or rule changes ever made Arona a threatening top player, in case you missed his entire career

 

[lukeuidswords]

Fedor being his own promoter and telling the UFC where they could stick their draconian we-own-your-likeness-forever show/win deals still makes people seethe to this day I love that he did that

 

[boss429]

Stipe considers himself the best HW ever

Been that way for over a year

Oh okay, my mistake, I didn't realize he had become arrogant after suffering the 3rd loss and second KO of his 22 fight 7 top 10 win decade long career.

I can see why he would feel that's more impressive then the 33 fight 0 loss, 15 top 10 win first decade of Fedor's career now that he avenged that KO loss with the great come from behind 4th round KO in the DC rematch.

 

[Grenades]

Fedor being his own promoter and telling the UFC where they could stick their draconian we-own-your-likeness-forever show/win deals still makes people seethe to this day I love that he did that

I like the part where he gets slept by
B-League bellator fighters. He really showed the UFC what was up.

 

[boss429]

No amount of extra training or rule changes ever made Arona a threatening top player, in case you missed his entire career

Obviously he did since Fedor never fought Arona in Pride.

 

[Magnum1978]

I just explained why it's bullshit. Fedor ducked the UFC TWICE. And he ducked Overeem. Do you know what that includes? Lesnar, Couture, Gonzaga, Kongo, Carwin, Cain, JDS, Overeem.

FWIW - Fedor was contracted to M1 Global when Strikeforce folded he still was obliged to them, prior to that in 2007 after Pride folded there wasn't really any decent HWs at that point in the UFC

The only time you could argue he 'ducked' them was when he returned from retirement on this latest run... but that was old and broken Fedor and we know he'd have been smashed.

The landscape in his prime was very different... When he was at his best and when a 'free agent' either 1. the UFC really had not a great HW roster on offer so why sign there (the rest of the HW strength was outside the UFC) or 2. He was signed to M-1 Global with fights contracted thus prevented from fighting in the UFC.

If you weren't around back then, you must understand, in mid 2007 he had to sign somewhere when Pride wound up - firsly most of the good HW's weren't in the UFC - most were assembling to fight in Affliction - Affliction were paying big money to lure top MMA HWs for their fledgling org. Plus M-1 gave Fedor a % share in their company which was a good money lure. So it made much more sense to Fedor to fight for them.

In 2007 the UFC only had a few top HW fighters - Sylvia (Fedor demolished in Affliction), AA (fedor demolished in Affliction), Mir (who was only just recovering from his accident, getting beaten by Vera and PeDePano, and Fedor later demolished him anyway in Bellator) and Randy (who wanted to fight Fedor outside the UFC)... aside from that it was Nog, Herring and Mirko who came from Pride (who Fedor had already beaten), and Werdum (who he later met in SF).

In 2007 they didn't have Brock, (he'd only just taken is FIRST ever fight) or Cain or JDS or Carwin or anyone of the 'new breed'- so in that signing with M-1 you can't argue he ducked them as they weren't on the HW landscape at all.

OUTSIDE the UFC there was Roy Nelson, Hunt, Overeem, Rizzo, Buentello, Ben Rothwell, Josh Barnett, Kharitanov and pretty much the rest of the old guard

So I never considered him 'ducking' the UFC (at least when it mattered) - i.e. there was nothing to duck or he simply couldn't, the same way Randy couldn't fight Fedor in Affliction, you can't be accused of ducking if you have a contract with a promotion.

Anyway, just something to think about

 

[Grenades]

Oh okay, my mistake, I didn't realize he had become arrogant after suffering the 3rd loss and second KO of his 22 fight 7 top 10 win decade long career.

I can see why he would feel that's more impressive then the 33 fight 0 loss, 15 top 10 win first decade of Fedor's career now that he avenged that KO loss with the great come from behind 4th round KO in the DC rematch.

Boss, my man, Fedor couldnt even get a title shot with the Champ Stipe cause he couldn’t get past DC or Ngannou to do it.
LOL Same old argument but hope you’re doing well and your family is safe.

 

[Grenades]

Fedor is the only fighter to start a fight in his prime, get choked out and magically he’s out of his prime. That’s the Fedor army’s story and they’re stickin to it.

 

[medium rare]

Oh okay, my mistake, I didn't realize he had become arrogant after suffering the 3rd loss and second KO of his 22 fight 7 top 10 win decade long career.

I can see why he would feel that's more impressive then the 33 fight 0 loss, 15 top 10 win first decade of Fedor's career now that he avenged that KO loss with the great come from behind 4th round KO in the DC rematch.

Prime Fedor lost to Kohsaka and fought double digit cans

Stipe would've gone 50-0 against his competition

 

[SalvadorCollie]

Stipe vs Fedor is a joke, Stipe fought in wars, Fedor neutralized battles. I put them in the same league, but all anyone sees is the last decade Fedor.

 

[lukeuidswords]

I like the part where he gets slept by
B-League bellator fighters. He really showed the UFC what was up.

Fedor could lose twenty times to club fighters on untelevized shows and it still wouldn’t erase the eternal butthurt of UFC fans that he didn’t kiss the ring

 

[boss429]

Boss, my man, Fedor couldnt even get a title shot with the Champ Stipe cause he couldn’t get past DC or Ngannou to do it.
LOL Same old argument but hope you’re doing well and your family is safe.

Haha, same to you my friend.

I wasn't going to respond to the rest but I can't help myself, lol.

Of course if we're talking about today you are almost certainly right (barring the miracle KO Fedor is always capable of delivering) but in his prime Francis wouldn't have even made the top 5, Stipe gets wrecked but DC would have been interesting but likely ends up getting subbed.

Stipe was fortunate to come into his own when the divisions hay day was in the rear view mirror

 

[Grenades]

Dana’s whole goal was that to happen to him in the UFC instead so yeah he kind of did. And still makes millions to show.

I can’t fault a guy for making a really good living getting his ass whooped, agreed.

 

[boss429]

Dana’s whole goal was that to happen to him in the UFC instead so yeah he kind of did. And still makes millions to show.

Lol, "B-league Bellator fighters", one of which left the UFC as the top contender for the LHW Title behind Rumble and the other who left the UFC with a winning record because they didn't want to pay him what he felt he was worth..... But yeah, " B League Bellator fighters" for sure.... That's such a stupid narrative and makes it pretty clear buddy there doesn't really know much about MMA as a sport, lol.

 

[lukeuidswords]

I can’t fault a guy for making a really good living getting his ass whooped, agreed.

Yeah you can, that’s why you’re here and still mad. You wish you could let go that easily