Was Nate Marquardt an elite WW-MW?

[sampuncher]

Yoel Romero or Jacare Souza arent elite then?

Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

For some weird reason I thought we were talking about Nate Marquardt.

 

[pankrat]

Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

For some weird reason I thought we were talking about Nate Marquardt.

I dont get your ways, mate

You asked for a Google definition, I delivered.

You say nobody who wasnt ever considered the best qualify as elite. So I ask you, weren't Romero or Jacare elite?

Marquardt had a similar status, guy was in 4 UFC tittle eliminators, one tittle shot, Strikeforce and Pancrase champion, top ranked for over a decade.

Just try to make sense

 

[sampuncher]

I dont get your ways, mate

You asked for a Google definition, I delivered.

You say nobody who wasnt ever considered the best qualify as elite. So I ask you, weren't Romero or Jacare elite?

Marquardt had a similar status, guy was in 4 UFC tittle eliminators, one tittle shot, Strikeforce and Pancrase champion, top ranked for over a decade.

Just try to make sense

What the fuck haha, Marquardt was never considered the best. That was my point.

Your google definition literally proved yourself wrong. Romero was widely recognised as the best in the divison when Bisping was champ.

If you can't debate why Marquardt wasn't the best without bringing in fighters not relevant to the conversation, I don't know what to say.

 

[pankrat]

What the fuck haha, Marquardt was never considered the best. That was my point.

Your google definition literally proved yourself wrong. Romero was widely recognised as the best in the divison when Bisping was champ.

If you can't debate why Marquardt wasn't the best without bringing in fighters not relevant to the conversation, I don't know what to say.

By your definition nobody except the champion can be considered elite.

Whittaker proved Romero wasn't the best while Bisping was champ.
Jacare was never considered the best. Jacare has never been elite in your book?

Was any WW under GSP's reign elite, given that they weren't the best?

 

[sampuncher]

By your definition nobody except the champion can be considered elite.

Whittaker proved Romero wasn't the best while Bisping was champ.
Jacare was never considered the best. Jacare has never been elite in your book?

Was any WW under GSP's reign elite, given that they weren't the best?

You're an idiot.

Just because Nate Marquardt was never an elite fighter has nothing to do with Jacare or Romero. You can stop crying about it now.

 

[pankrat]

You're an idiot.

Just because Nate Marquardt was never an elite fighter has nothing to do with Jacare or Romero. You can stop crying about it now.

Are you twelve, right?

Stand your ground, support your stance like and adult. You are the only one crying here like a baby.

You say nobody except "the best" can be considered elite.
Plenty of elite fighters have been elite despite a guy - the champion - being better than them.

Marquardt was one of the best for many years

You get rebutted, you have nothing to support you stance, you react like a 13 year old sissy, what a fucking prick LMAO

 

[sampuncher]

Are you twelve, right?

Stand your ground, support your stance like and adult. You are the only one crying here like a baby.

You say nobody except "the best" can be considered elite.
Plenty of elite fighters have been elite despite a guy - the champion - being better than them.

You get rebutted, you have nothing to support you stance, you react like a 13 year old sissy, what a fucking prick LMAO

No I didn't.

I said no-one ever considered Marquardt the best, clearly besides you.

Nate was a decent enough fighter back in the day when there was less competition. Prime Nate Marquardt wouldn't get in the top 10 now.

You've started a thread asking if he ever was, I've told you no and you can't seem to accept that.

Note for future, if you only ask rhetorical questions and don't want to hear someone elses opinion, maybe don't bother, clearly you can't accept a different opinion to your own.

 

[pankrat]

No I didn't.

I said no-one ever considered Marquardt the best, clearly besides you.

Nate was a decent enough fighter back in the day when there was less competition. Prime Nate Marquardt wouldn't get in the top 10 now.

You've started a thread asking if he ever was, I've told you no and you can't seem to accept that.

Note for future, if you only ask rhetorical questions and don't want to hear someone elses opinion, maybe don't bother, clearly you can't accept a different opinion to your own.

Plenty of people have disagreed, they can argue like adults though. I didn't even say Marquardt was elite I just said that by your definition nobody except the champion was elite and that's nonsense.

You come here asking for Google definitions and saying "he was never considered the best".... Facts are he got 4 tittle eliminators, one tittle shot, actually WW champ in Strikeforce and top ranked for over a decade. So he was as close to be the best as anyone besides the champion.

- So I ask you, from 2006 to 2013, the only WW or MW who qualified as elite were Anderson and GSP, as they were the champions?
Reply like a fucking adult

- If your argument is that Nate would not be top 10 in 2020, you could say so about almost everybody from 2000-2010 except the champions and not even them in some cases.
So there were almost no elite fighters during a whole decade?

Its not about agreeing, it's about discussing like an adult. But you just can't support your stance and in top of it you react like a 13 years old kid

 

[sampuncher]

Plenty of people have disagreed with me, they can argue like adults though. I didn't even said Marquardt was elite I just said that by your definition nobody except the champion was elite and that's nonsense.

You come here asking for Google definitions and saying "he was never considered the best".... Facts are he got 4 tittle eliminators, one tittle shot, actually WW champ in Strikeforce and top ranked for many years. So he was as close to be the best as anyone besides the champion. So I ask you, from 2006 to 2013, the only WW and MW who qualified as elite were Anderson and GSP as they were the champions?
You don't reply because you just can't support stance.

Your logic is so flawed it's not worrth arguing with anymore. I know you mentioned English isn't your first language which is fair enough, you seem pretty good at twisting it to fit your argument though.

I'm not sure how many times I can tell you he was "good not great".

He was never the best. Let's take your 2006 - 2013 example, in that period he has a record of 10 wins, 7 losses. See how I can twist words to fit my narrative?

He was an above average fighter, it doesn't make him elite.

Your Romero and Souza example, they've only lost to the top guys, most go on to become champ at some point.

Marquardt during that period got some great wins, he also lost guys like Ellenberger, Saffiedine, Okami. All good fighters but they aren't really elite themselves.

Too inconsistent to be considered elite.

 

[electricfuneral]

Nate was elite at mw. His decision loss to Leites was dubious, Nate lost a point for hitting a piledriver, pedigree type move on thales. Nate lost decisively to Anderson but, stayed in the top 5 for almost 5 years and lost title eliminators to Okami and Chael who followed the same blueprint to beat Nate, grappling heavy game plan, lots of take downs and forward pressure. Nate was an offensive juggernaut who was great when he was pressing the action and had an excellent instinct for finishing somebody who was hurt or had broken their focus. Nate had these epic swarms of offense where he was super accurate and threw everything with the intention of ending the fight.

I don't thing he was an elite WW though, Nate seemed to abuse the TUE and TRT regulations in the sport. Nate was a little older once he was off the gas and seemed to be declined as a fighter.

 

[mjfan23]

Nate the great!

This! His nickname was legacy defining. Of course talent level was a little low back then and when it went up he went out

 

[pankrat]

Your logic is so flawed it's not worrth arguing with anymore. I know you mentioned English isn't your first language which is fair enough, you seem pretty good at twisting it to fit your argument though.

I'm not sure how many times I can tell you he was "good not great".

He was never the best. Let's take your 2006 - 2013 example, in that period he has a record of 10 wins, 7 losses. See how I can twist words to fit my narrative?

He was an above average fighter, it doesn't make him elite.

Your Romero and Souza example, they've only lost to the top guys, most go on to become champ at some point.

Marquardt during that period got some great wins, he also lost guys like Ellenberger, Saffiedine, Okami. All good fighters but they aren't really elite themselves.

Too inconsistent to be considered elite.

ok now that you finally "tried" to support your stance I confirm what I was suspecting. You really dont know about the guy, you definitely weren't watching and your opinion comes from a quick look in fighfinder

Otherwise you would not bring his loss to Ellenberger for example.

Do you realize Marquardt was top5 ranked in the world all the way back to 2002? By 2004 he already beat Kazuo Misaki in an epic war, who not long after went to beat Dan Henderson.

But losing 10-15 years later to a guy who was on fire at the time in Ellenberger disqualifies him as elite in your book....It would be like saying Jacare was never elite because he lost to Gastelum or Hermansson. Let alone Koschek or so many others who lost to lesser competition after less time at the top of the rankings than Nate was

You call him "above average". You like Google definitions go look what average means. Above average fighters dont get 4 tittle eliminators in UFC, one tittle shot, champion in several promotions at different weightclasses...otherwise they would not be "above average" you moron.

A guy who was known to dominate everybody in one of the top gyms in the world and was praised by GSP himself as his toughest sparring partner...."above average" LMAO

I knew that 13 years old style who refused to support his stance hid a textbook fight finder shertard

 

[pankrat]

Nate was elite at mw. His decision loss to Leites was dubious, Nate lost a point for hitting a piledriver, pedigree type move on thales. Nate lost decisively to Anderson but, stayed in the top 5 for almost 5 years and lost title eliminators to Okami and Chael who followed the same blueprint to beat Nate, grappling heavy game plan, lots of take downs and forward pressure. Nate was an offensive juggernaut who was great when he was pressing the action and had an excellent instinct for finishing somebody who was hurt or had broken their focus. Nate had these epic swarms of offense where he was super accurate and threw everything with the intention of ending the fight.

I don't thing he was an elite WW though, Nate seemed to abuse the TUE and TRT regulations in the sport. Nate was a little older once he was off the gas and seemed to be declined as a fighter.

Agree with this post but to be fair, Okami outboxed him, he tried to follow Sonnen's blueprint but struggled. Nate's wrestling was underrated just like Okami's standup.
Marquardt had great outburst and great killer instinct as you say but often relied on getting the KO or shooting otherwise was prone to lose a decision in a standup fight.

I mean he was a WW-MW as he was in that range, as opposed to other MW contenders as Franklin, Sonnen, Belfort etc who would need to cut off a limb to compete at 170.
Marquardt dropped to WW and became champion right away KOing Woodley no less.
Beat Misaki, Maia, Palhares or Kampann who all went to be top ranked at WW too.
Marquardt himself didnt walk around heavier than many 170lbers today.

WW was deeper; Marquardt'd not get as many tittle eliminators as he did at 185 most likely, but in his prime he was certainly capable of making a run to the tittle shot at WW as well.
He was a blatant cheater though

 

[sampuncher]

ok now that you finally "tried" to support your stance I confirm what I was suspecting. You really dont know about the guy, you definitely weren't watching and your opinion comes from a quick look in fighfinder

Otherwise you would not bring his loss to Ellenberger for example.

Do you realize Marquardt was top5 ranked in the world all the way back to 2002? By 2004 he already beat Kazuo Misaki in an epic war, who not long after went to beat Dan Henderson.

But losing 10-15 years later to a guy who was on fire at the time in Ellenberger disqualifies him as elite in your book....It would be like saying Jacare was never elite because he lost to Gastelum or Hermansson. Let alone Koschek or so many others who lost to lesser competition after less time at the top of the rankings than Nate was

He lost to Ellenberger in 2013, I found every fight in the timeline you suggested.

Yes, in 2002. The sport was very different in 2002. Would you have said Keith Jardine was an elite fighter? or Patrick Cote? No you wouldn't. Phil Baroni was ranked 3rd in 2002, above Marquardt but we wouldn't be calling him elite either would we.

I literally tried to support it for the first time because I thought it was evident enough, clearly not. You've mentioned Jacare and Romero, I didn't. They have no relevance to this conversation.

You have your opinion, I have mine. You refuse to accept a difference of opinion though, no matter how much you paint it, Nate was never "elite" as many others have also agreed with.

I'll let you go argue to someone else now whose disagreed, you claim you've been watching the sport since early 2000s but have the mentality of a 12 year old.

 

[pankrat]

He lost to Ellenberger in 2013, I found every fight in the timeline you suggested.

Yes, in 2002. The sport was very different in 2002. Would you have said Keith Jardine was an elite fighter? or Patrick Cote? No you wouldn't. Phil Baroni was ranked 3rd in 2002, above Marquardt but we wouldn't be calling him elite either would we.

I literally tried to support it for the first time because I thought it was evident enough, clearly not. You've mentioned Jacare and Romero, I didn't. They have no relevance to this conversation.

You have your opinion, I have mine. You refuse to accept a difference of opinion though, no matter how much you paint it, Nate was never "elite" as many others have also agreed with.

I'll let you go argue to someone else now whose disagreed, you claim you've been watching the sport since early 2000s but have the mentality of a 12 year old.

I though you was a kid but maybe you are actually mentally handicapped as you dont even understand what it is said. I referenced that time line because Anderson and GSP were champions during such timeline and by your simpleton definition a fighter who was never the absolute best has not the right to be called elite. Therefore I asked you, regardless of Marquardt, there is any WW or MW during that time who can be considered elite? How many of them?

Given your definition of elite and your take on Marquardt as simly "above average", you will have a hard time to support any WW/MW from that time apart from Silva and GSP had the right to be considered elite without falling in gross contradictions

Marquard was as close to the best as almost any WW-MW during a decade and his record at WW-MW prove so. To back that statement I bring you his long time top ranking, his many tittle eliminators, title shots and belts during a whole decade.....in other words...facts

What you bring to support yours? "nobody ever thought he was elite besides you"
Well that's the best you can do I guess so it's cool.

 

[HHJ]

top 10 in the world at both during that time.

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this is true

but "elite" means different things to diff people

Some people look at elite as you gotta be consistently #1 or #2 if not the champ.
Some people dont even think champions are elite fighters,esp if they had a percieved easy road to the belt.

 

[mjfan23]

ok now that you finally "tried" to support your stance I confirm what I was suspecting. You really dont know about the guy, you definitely weren't watching and your opinion comes from a quick look in fighfinder

Otherwise you would not bring his loss to Ellenberger for example.

Do you realize Marquardt was top5 ranked in the world all the way back to 2002? By 2004 he already beat Kazuo Misaki in an epic war, who not long after went to beat Dan Henderson.

But losing 10-15 years later to a guy who was on fire at the time in Ellenberger disqualifies him as elite in your book....It would be like saying Jacare was never elite because he lost to Gastelum or Hermansson. Let alone Koschek or so many others who lost to lesser competition after less time at the top of the rankings than Nate was

You call him "above average". You like Google definitions go look what average means. Above average fighters dont get 4 tittle eliminators in UFC, one tittle shot, champion in several promotions at different weightclasses...otherwise they would not be "above average" you moron.

A guy who was known to dominate everybody in one of the top gyms in the world and was praised by GSP himself as his toughest sparring partner...."above average" LMAO

I knew that 13 years old style who refused to support his stance hid a textbook fight finder shertard

2020 when someone actually has to defend a king of pancrase as being a good fighter.
Don’t bother man, people here write off everyone after one loss.

 

[HHJ]

when nate lost to anderson,at that time i thought he had a good chance if he got a rematch,which he almost did. Anderson however just got better and better and the gap widened.

 

[pankrat]

when nate lost to anderson,at that time i thought he had a good chance if he got a rematch,which he almost did. Anderson however just got better and better and the gap widened.

Marquardt arrived to UFC before Anderson and I remember many people at the time regarded him as the biggest threat to Franklin. Then Silva came and reigned for almost a decade.

 

[HHJ]

Marquardt arrived to UFC before Anderson and I remember many people at the time regarded him as the biggest threat to Franklin. Then Silva came and reigned for almost a decade.

Would have liked to see Nate got a shot at Franklin before Anderson arrived