Why does Conor not engage in grappling

[Paynebringer]

Why is he scared to engage in any grappling or clinch work?

Lack of confidence in that area he'd rather stand and look pretty with the highlight KO like Dustin dropped on him...

 

[ShowYouRoll]

Because hes a decent grappler in a division of very good to great grapplers. Conor engaging the grappling is like sticking out his neck and begging to be choked. His level of grappling just is not enough

I wouldn’t say he is a decent grappler, Dustin is e better grappler than him and you wouldn’t class have as a decent grappler would you?

Justin is supposed to be an amazing grappler, and from what we’ve seen in MMA you wouldn’t call him a decent grappler either would you.

I think Nate is a decent grappler, and khabib is superior elite. Kevin Lee, Oliviera etc in the middle/elite, maybe even Tony you could class as a decent grappler.

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

True, but I think he struggles putting people down in higher weight classes. His power hasn’t transitioned well moving up, it seems shorter people like Eddie suffer more. Cowboy I think was a different situation, he got he nose busted by a shoulder and more of a freak situation as opposed to clean strikes.

I feel his without his power left, he will soon tire and anyone who can get passed that initial output can easily beat him later. I am suprised you think Al wouldn’t stand a chance, I would’ve thought his wrestling toughness would weather conors initial barrage leaving him open to being taken down and controlled with ease

Did you see the fights Dan hooker vs Al and Dan hooker vs Dustin. I think it’s safe to say grappling, strength and size Dustin and hooker are comparable right?

Al got fucking bludgeoned. Way to small. Way to weak. I mean shit, cowboy out struck him.

Now obviously mma math doesn’t work always. But where he’s probably not as strong, and he was getting out kickboxed by cerrone very recently. I struggle to see him beating Conor

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I wouldn’t say he is a decent grappler, Dustin is e better grappler than him and you wouldn’t class have as a decent grappler would you?
Justin is supposed to be an amazing grappler, and from what we’ve seen in MMA you wouldn’t call him a decent grappler either would you.

I think Nate is a decent grappler, and khabib is superior elite. Kevin Lee, Oliviera etc in the middle/elite, maybe even Tony you could class as a decent grappler.

Conor is a decent grappler.

Dustin is a very good grappler. As are Tony and Lee.

Olivera and Khabib are great grapplers.

Nate is a good grappler but a shit wrestler. Gaethje is a great wrestler but shit grappler.

Conor is all around average where as the rest are at least above average and at most the top of their games

 

[ShowYouRoll]

Conor is a decent grappler.

Dustin is a very good grappler. As are Tony and Lee.

Olivera and Khabib are great grapplers.

Nate is a good grappler but a shit wrestler. Gaethje is a great wrestler but shit grappler.

Conor is all around average where as the rest are at least above average and at most the top of their games

What you said is true apart from Connor, we haven’t seen him grapple enough to say he’s a decent grappler.

he has been choked out 3 times and knee barred, he shows no sign of defence to submissions.

He defended well against Khabib, but he clearly focused all his training to try and cancel out Khabibs style which didn’t work. I think Khabib could’ve finished him a lot sooner, but wanted to make a point.

 

[ShowYouRoll]

Did you see the fights Dan hooker vs Al and Dan hooker vs Dustin. I think it’s safe to say grappling, strength and size Dustin and hooker are comparable right?

Al got fucking bludgeoned. Way to small. Way to weak. I mean shit, cowboy out struck him.

Now obviously mma math doesn’t work always. But where he’s probably not as strong, and he was getting out kickboxed by cerrone very recently. I struggle to see him beating Conor

I understand what you are saying, and Conor seems confident enough fighting Al, he has mentioned his name a few times.

Its funny how he only mentions the opponents he thinks he can beat, or the ones who beat him and hopes to seek revenge in a rematch.

 

[Brock Sapp]

Because hes a striker

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

What you said is true apart from Connor, we haven’t seen him grapple enough to say he’s a decent grappler.

he has been choked out 3 times and knee barred, he shows no sign of defence to submissions.

He defended well against Khabib, but he clearly focused all his training to try and cancel out Khabibs style which didn’t work. I think Khabib could’ve finished him a lot sooner, but wanted to make a point.

I've seen enough from him between fight and training. Hes not bad. Hes not good. He is extremely average. solid takedown defense, ok defensive tactics for stalling, little to no submission game, ok top control against sub par to average grapplers.

He is ok. If he was in a division with less grappling talent then his flaws wouldn't stick out as much. It's not so much that his grappling is bad. Its that is is horrifically under developed for as long as hes been doing this. Which is the fault of both himself and his team for only addressing issues as they come up instead of constantly trying to push a d improve

 

[G10]

Maybe he remembered what happened when he tried to take down Nate in their first fight.

Lol, this.

In reply to TS, Conor is not a good UFC level grappler. He has really good takedown defense, and he's good at getting back to his feet, but if he's ever forced into prolonged grappling exchanges or scrambles, then he's average at best.

 

[ShowYouRoll]

I've seen enough from him between fight and training. Hes not bad. Hes not good. He is extremely average. solid takedown defense, ok defensive tactics for stalling, little to no submission game, ok top control against sub par to average grapplers.

He is ok. If he was in a division with less grappling talent then his flaws wouldn't stick out as much. It's not so much that his grappling is bad. Its that is is horrifically under developed for as long as hes been doing this. Which is the fault of both himself and his team for only addressing issues as they come up instead of constantly trying to push a d improve

I also think his team are yes men, and do what Conor thinks is best as opposed to what’s best for Conor

 

[MichaelT]

I think he actually believed he was going to get the ko at that point

 

[John of Arc]

Depends if you are a smart grappler, it doesn’t have to wear your cardio. Don’t assume from something you watch, go and learn to grapple and maybe you will learn how to get a position and get a rest

It depends who you roll with mr ShowYouRoll, for instance when you are the boss - it's easy to rest or even if you are chilling in guard while the other guy doesn't really have a good passing game it's easy to rest but if you roll with someone of a significantly higher skill level then you will gas just trying to keep up.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

"Foot sweep finish"

Holy fuck do you really believe that? Lmao Conortards.

 

[Mike]

Because he's primarily a striker and already has bad cardio.

 

[Kb7]

He out grappled Max and Nate. He also used to grapple prior to coming to the ufc.

He out grappled a striped white belt in Max Holloway, who was a late replacement on two weeks notice. While Conor had training camp and was already a purple belt.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

He out grappled Max and Nate. He also used to grapple prior to coming to the ufc.

Max was a white belt training out of a garage in Hawaii. Nate stuffed him and choked him out.

He did grapple before the UFC. Duffy and Sitenkov taught him the Fast Tap Technique.

 

[NotDana]

Max was a white belt training out of a garage in Hawaii. Nate stuffed him and choked him out.

He did grapple before the UFC. Duffy and Sitenkov taught him the Fast Tap Technique.

Conor was green in grappling as well. Max has the same ground game now as he did then

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Conor was green in grappling as well. Max has the same ground game now as he did then

Max was a late replacement and literally a white belt. Conor held a purple belt at that time.

But I don't blame your ignorance, since you just started watching mma.

 

[NotDana]

Max was a late replacement and literally a white belt. Conor held a purple belt at that time.

But I don't blame your ignorance, since you just started watching mma.

He wasn’t that late of a replacement, he had a while to train for Conor.

just make any excuse to take away from Conor

 

[Mike]

Conor was green in grappling as well. Max has the same ground game now as he did then

Max isn't a grappler. Out grappling him when he was green isn't some major accomplishment.