Green Bay Packers 2021 Offseason

I adore Aaron, he's a hero where I'm from, but I don't understand what basis he has to be disenfranchised with the Packers org, currently.

This isn't the past. I'm not talking about years ago. This is right now. They fired the longtime coach, gave him pseudo-player/coach status, just put arguably the best team in football outside the QB position around him last season, and paid him $33.5m fucking dollars while managing that. They just went to the NFC Championship, and lost to eventual the Superbowl champion. Aaron put up a lousy performance in that game; utterly atrocious in the first half.

Anyone on the outside looking in has to think nobody could have asked for a better fresh new start.
 
ralphc1 said:
It's difficult to tell what the truth is in the Rodgers situation. Are sports news reporters getting accurate information? This report from WBAY, one of the Green Bay television stations suggests Rodgers has a problem with Gutekunst.



I was surprised that the Packers didn't pick up a quarterback in the draft but I expect that they will grab an undrafted free agent this weekend. The last backup to Rodgers was an undrafted free agent Tim Boyle who signed with the Lions. Boyle didn't get much of a chance to show what he could do as he mostly went out to take a knee at the end of games. He and Rodgers had developed a relationship. I suspect part of Rodgers problem is that his friends on the team are gone because the team can't afford to keep them. I don't know if Rodgers has considered that he is part of the reason why the Packers can't pay a lot of money to other players.

Taysom Hill was another undrafted player that the Packers picked up. Sean Payton grabbed him when the Packers made the mistake of trying to put him on the practice squad after he had a good pre-season showing.

They've already signed a safety and two defensive linemen.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ted-free-agent-signings-following-2021-draft/
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If that’s the case Rodgers for 4 years >>>>> whatever the fuck amount of time Gute had left.

I think Rodgers likes LaFleur and I want to see them together again.
 
Madmick said:
I adore Aaron, he's a hero where I'm from, but I don't understand what basis he has to be disenfranchised with the Packers org, currently.

This isn't the past. I'm not talking about years ago. This is right now. They fired the longtime coach, gave him pseudo-player/coach status, just put arguably the best team in football outside the QB position around him last season, and paid him $33.5m fucking dollars while managing that. They just went to the NFC Championship, and lost to eventual the Superbowl champion. Aaron put up a lousy performance in that game; utterly atrocious in the first half.

Anyone on the outside looking in has to think nobody could have asked for a better fresh new start.
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That was not the best team outside the QB position.

Just, no dude.
 
Fugazy said:
If that’s the case Rodgers for 4 years >>>>> whatever the fuck amount of time Gute had left.

I think Rodgers likes LaFleur and I want to see them together again.
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With the way Rodgers was looking at the Kentucky derby, I don't think he has 4 years left.

Dude is giving off some serious Rust Cohle vibes here:


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It's tough to even form an opinion on this because no one, except for the involved persons, actually knows what exactly his demands and problems are. Furthermore no one knows how serious he is about not coming back and how much of a bluff it is.

My best guess is:
- Packers want to be able to move on in 2022 or 2023
- Rodgers knows this and is pissed off because he is just a placeholder
- he actually wants or at least wanted to remain a Packer
- both sides negotiate, he wants a deal that would crush the timeline AND fresh, guaranteed money - Packers want to remain flexible and their offered extension shows that; both sides unwilling to give in
- Rodgers side leaks the story on draft day to put the maximum pressure on the Packers

So, IMO, he wants to blow up that Jordan Love plan and get tons of fresh money. If they don't give in -> trade.

I absolutely don't think he demands to fire Gutekunst or anything like that.
 
INeedARemedy said:
Imaging treating him like a placeholder lmfao
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I don't think they are treating him badly, but at the end of the day that's what was planned and probably still is the plan. Them not moving on from their plan after his MVP season probably pissed him off even more than drafting Love in the first place.

He constantly talked about "throwing a wrench" in timelines with his performance, only to realise that it did not matter.
 
Fugazy said:
That was not the best team outside the QB position.

Just, no dude.
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Fine, whatever, I don't care. At a minimum the Packers assembled a damn good team. Ravens, Chiefs, Steelers, Rams, Bucs, and the Niners (before injuries) are the league's top tier.

Spare me the retrospective fawning over Tampa Bay because of their playoff run. Nobody believed that or rated them that strongly either before the season, or after the season heading into the playoffs. Their odds to win the SB were third-to-last among all yoff teams whether by Las Vegas betting, by pundit forecasts, or by purely mathematical models.

This is how ESPN felt about the league prior to the season, so (before trades and whatnot) this gives you a wonderful idea of the estimate of respective overall roster talent, though admittedly a large part of this projection is also rooted in the pundits prediction of the QB influence:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...er-rankings-1-32-preseason-poll-plus-hot-seat
Chiefs, Ravens, Niners, Saints, Seahawks, Bucs, Green Bay (#7).

Onto actual performance during the season.

Offensive Line
Of greatest concern to a QB, Green Bay finished at #2 in the PFF rankings for the Offensive Line after the season:
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

Receiving Corps
Pundits dismissed them before the season, but that's not how the season went. Adams was celebrated as the best receiver in football. Tonyan had the highest catch percentage of any TE in the league. Valdes-Scantling notched the most yards per reception in the league. His corps put up the 5th most yards gained after catch. As a team, they put up the 9th most yards in the league despite having the 9th fewest pass attempt opportunities. While it's impossible to separate them from Rodgers' greatness, you can't accuse them of not being serviceable.

Defense
Steelers, Saints, and Rams were #1, #2, and #3 in the EOTY NFL power rankings for defense. But Green Bay finished #9 in total yards allowed, #13 in total points allowed, and #13 in expected points added by the defense.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-10-nfl-defenses-for-the-2020-season-steelers-saints-lead-the-field

Special Teams
Special teams was supposedly the great GB weakness, yet despite the terrible net punt return performance of the team, GB finished with the highest FG% of any team in the league (can't bitch about 100%: 16 for 16). They were also in the top third of the league in FG pressure (OPP FG%).
 
Madmick said:
I adore Aaron, he's a hero where I'm from, but I don't understand what basis he has to be disenfranchised with the Packers org, currently.

This isn't the past. I'm not talking about years ago. This is right now. They fired the longtime coach, gave him pseudo-player/coach status, just put arguably the best team in football outside the QB position around him last season, and paid him $33.5m fucking dollars while managing that. They just went to the NFC Championship, and lost to eventual the Superbowl champion. Aaron put up a lousy performance in that game; utterly atrocious in the first half.

Anyone on the outside looking in has to think nobody could have asked for a better fresh new start.
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Best team in football outside the QB position? Wtf? Tampa Bay was superior in defensive points, defensive yards, and gave Tom Brady an offense with 6 former Pro Bowlers, including 3 surefire future HOFers. I also think it's inevitable that the team regress on both sides of the ball: on the offensive side because of how good they were and because they lost multiple starting offensive linemen, and on the defensive side of the ball because they impulsively fired the defensive coordinator and haven't made any roster improvements.

Anyways, it's complicated. I agree with you that the team is in a better spot now than at just about any point since the SB win. I don't agree with the "pseudo-player/coach status, and I don't agree that Rodgers was that bad in the Tampa Bay game. He had 3 TD and 1 INT against an extremely good defense. It was Brady who was laughably bad.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much he believes the front office treats its players with respect. And it's probably 80% directly owed to the Jordan Love pick. Which was an objectively ludicrous pick and imo disrespectful. But there's no way to construe the situation without concluding that Rodgers is being exceptionally thin skinned.
 
Madmick said:
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Fine, whatever, I don't care. At a minimum the Packers assembled a damn good team. Ravens, Chiefs, Steelers, Rams, Bucs, and the Niners (before injuries) are the league's top tier.

Spare me the retrospective fawning over Tampa Bay because of their playoff run. Nobody believed that or rated them that strongly after the season heading into the playoffs. Their odds to win the SB were third-to-last among all yoff teams whether by Las Vegas betting, by pundit forecasts, or by purely mathematical models.

This is how ESPN felt about the league prior to the season, so (before trades and whatnot) this gives you a wonderful idea of the estimate of respective overall roster talent, though admittedly a large part of this projection is also rooted in the pundits prediction of the QB influence:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...er-rankings-1-32-preseason-poll-plus-hot-seat
Chiefs, Ravens, Niners, Saints, Seahawks, Bucs, Green Bay (#7).

Onto actual performance during the season.

Offensive Line
Of greatest concern to a QB, Green Bay finished at #2 in the PFF rankings for the Offensive Line after the season:
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

Receiving Corps
Pundits dismissed them before the season, but that's not how the season went. Adams was celebrated as the best receiver in football. Tonyan had the highest catch percentage of any TE in the league. Valdes-Scantling notched the most yards per reception in the league. His corps put up the 5th most yards gained after catch. As a team, they put up the 9th most yards in the league despite having the 9th fewest pass attempt opportunities. While it's impossible to separate them from Rodgers' greatness, you can't accuse them of not being serviceable.

Defense
Steelers, Saints, and Rams were #1, #2, and #3 in the EOTY NFL power rankings for defense. But Green Bay finished #9 in total yards allowed, #13 in total points allowed, and #13 in expected points added by the defense.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-10-nfl-defenses-for-the-2020-season-steelers-saints-lead-the-field

Special Teams
Special teams was supposedly the great GB weakness, yet despite the terrible net punt return performance of the team, GB finished with the highest FG% of any team in the league (can't bitch about 100%: 16 for 16). They were also in the top third of the league in FG pressure (OPP FG%).
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Bucs had objectively the best roster. By a mile imo.

I bet $100 on the Bucs and the Packers to win. Can't remember what the odds were (Packers were higher). I think Green Bay was like +1800 and Bucs were like +700.
 
Been watching more Love stuff (not porn) in anticipation of the increasing likelihood that he's the new starter.

JFC, he was not a good college quarterback and was not NFL-ready in the least. Good arm, but below average mechanics and pretty bad ball placement/accuracy. Seems like a really good kid, though, and a solid character addition. Biggest criticism on the non-football end of things is that he frankly doesn't seem that bright. Dude said he chose "physical movement science" as a freshman without knowing what it was and then struggled to get through it. Pretty wild to just throw a dart at your college major when you're only a two star recruit. Only half of five star recruits even get drafted. I'm sure it's a super tiny percentage for two stars.

Also, holy shit, Allen Lazard and Jordan Love look nearly identical.
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Trotsky said:
Been watching more Love stuff (not porn) in anticipation of the increasing likelihood that he's the new starter.

JFC, he was not a good college quarterback and was not NFL-ready in the least. Good arm, but below average mechanics and pretty bad ball placement/accuracy. Seems like a really good kid, though, and a solid character addition. Biggest criticism on the non-football end of things is that he frankly doesn't seem that bright. Dude said he chose "physical movement science" as a freshman without knowing what it was and then struggled to get through it. Pretty wild to just throw a dart at your college major when you're only a two star recruit. Only half of five star recruits even get drafted. I'm sure it's a super tiny percentage for two stars.

Also, holy shit, Allen Lazard and Jordan Love look nearly identical.
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Let's be honest, life without a HOFer QB is going to be a dumpster fire in GB.

Who wants to live there? Yikes.
 
Trotsky said:
Been watching more Love stuff (not porn) in anticipation of the increasing likelihood that he's the new starter.

JFC, he was not a good college quarterback and was not NFL-ready in the least. Good arm, but below average mechanics and pretty bad ball placement/accuracy. Seems like a really good kid, though, and a solid character addition. Biggest criticism on the non-football end of things is that he frankly doesn't seem that bright. Dude said he chose "physical movement science" as a freshman without knowing what it was and then struggled to get through it. Pretty wild to just throw a dart at your college major when you're only a two star recruit. Only half of five star recruits even get drafted. I'm sure it's a super tiny percentage for two stars.

Also, holy shit, Allen Lazard and Jordan Love look nearly identical.
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Yeah, the Lazard and Love similarities is almost disturbing.

As to the college major thing with Love... I changed mine 3 time before I finally graduated...
 
Trotsky said:
Bucs had objectively the best roster. By a mile imo.

I bet $100 on the Bucs and the Packers to win. Can't remember what the odds were (Packers were higher). I think Green Bay was like +1800 and Bucs were like +700.
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The Ravens had 12x Pro Bowl selections in 2020, one of only three teams in NFL history to notch 12+, alongside the 2007 Cowboys and 1973 Dolphins, and then 7x in 2021 (w/o Lamar Jackson):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl
 
Madmick said:
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The Ravens had 12x Pro Bowl selections in 2020, one of only three teams in NFL history to notch 12+, alongside the 2007 Cowboys and 1973 Dolphins, and then 7x in 2021 (w/o Lamar Jackson):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl
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Weird. I wouldn't even put the Ravens above the Packers tbh. PFF did have Ravens #1 in 2020. Bucs #5. Packers #12.

In a crunch:
1. Bucs
2. Saints
3. 49ers
4. Chiefs
5. Ravens
6. Packers
7. Bills
8. Browns

Vikings/Cardinals/Rams/Colts/Broncos/Steelers all tied for the last couple spots

Between the multiple All-Pro selections (Brady, Evans, AB, Godwin, Fournette, Gronk), the amount of former All-Pro selections on defense (Shaq Barrett, Lavonte, Suh, JPP), and the amount of raw talent on defense that will likely receive an All-Pro or Pro Bowl designation in future years (Devin White, Carlton Davis, Winfield, maybe even SMB), I think people will look back on the 2020 Bucs as a true super team.

Only other team that comes to mind as being at that level is the 2015 Broncos (Manning, DMT, Sanders, Talib, Harris, Von) and now that I list them out, it's not that close.
 
The jocking of TB as a superteam is pure 20/20 hindsight most deeply rooted in an deep, irrational, undying hatred of Tom Brady by his many haters who cannot acknowledge his undeniable GOAT status.

Don't fall prey to it.
 
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