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ARM based gaming system. Nvidia RTX 3060 running on ARM.
 
In graphic card news I have seen RTX 3070 for sale for under 700 dollars. That I would call progress Ebay still slightly above 700 around 750. We may be able to game again at 4k! Lol
 
KaNesDeath said:
Dont see any positive results of having six intake fans airflow working perpendicular to one another in such close proximity. Youre also running into a problem that the system cant exhaust the air its taking in. On top of the artificial tornado vortex created at the front of the case.
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Air will find it's way out of the case, they're not sealed tight.
Look at the back panel.
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jefferz said:
Air will find it's way out of the case, they're not sealed tight.
Look at the back panel.
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Does anyone have numbers on what type of cases provide the best cooling? I suspect that very clear in and out opening provide better directed cooling. I have a commercial server at home and it has plastic inserts to get as much cooling as possible. I am always a little surprised that nothing like this exist for PCs but maybe it is just that too many people customize but it really shouldn't be that hard. I suspect you could get ridiculous cooling if you had a fan with baffles blowing on your video card. Cable management probably is a big issue if anyone inspected most PCs with IR camera.

iu
 
Prefect said:
Does anyone have numbers on what type of cases provide the best cooling? I suspect that very clear in and out opening provide better directed cooling. I have a commercial server at home and it has plastic inserts to get as much cooling as possible. I am always a little surprised that nothing like this exist for PCs but maybe it is just that too many people customize but it really shouldn't be that hard. I suspect you could get ridiculous cooling if you had a fan with baffles blowing on your video card. Cable management probably is a big issue if anyone inspected most PCs with IR camera.

iu
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Gamers Nexus is about your best bet for case reviews.
Servers need that plastic shroud because most server cpu coolers don't have a fan built in. It used to be a fairly common feature for cases to have a fan on the side panel that blew on your graphics card.
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Prefect said:
Does anyone have numbers on what type of cases provide the best cooling? I suspect that very clear in and out opening provide better directed cooling. I have a commercial server at home and it has plastic inserts to get as much cooling as possible. I am always a little surprised that nothing like this exist for PCs but maybe it is just that too many people customize but it really shouldn't be that hard. I suspect you could get ridiculous cooling if you had a fan with baffles blowing on your video card. Cable management probably is a big issue if anyone inspected most PCs with IR camera.

iu
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Most mere mortals don’t have time to test these kind of things but gamers nexus does a lot of case reviews and from time to time some cases with lots of fans have hilariously bad airflow. They are probably the best resource I’ve seen for concrete info about that subject.
 
jefferz said:
Gamers Nexus is about your best bet for case reviews.
Servers need that plastic shroud because most server cpu coolers don't have a fan built in. It used to be a fairly common feature for cases to have a fan on the side panel that blew on your graphics card.
11-147-153-Z01.jpg
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Lol beat me to it.
 
Prefect said:
Does anyone have numbers on what type of cases provide the best cooling? I suspect that very clear in and out opening provide better directed cooling. I have a commercial server at home and it has plastic inserts to get as much cooling as possible. I am always a little surprised that nothing like this exist for PCs but maybe it is just that too many people customize but it really shouldn't be that hard. I suspect you could get ridiculous cooling if you had a fan with baffles blowing on your video card. Cable management probably is a big issue if anyone inspected most PCs with IR camera.

iu
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Indeed, GN is definitely the best.
You can always find this by looking up their most recent case review:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3635-fractal-meshify-2-xl-large-case-review

CPU temps (stock configuration)
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GPU temps (stock configuration)
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CPU Temps, Standardized
(GN installs an identical front-to-back airflow configuration with the same number of fans in each case; those interested in spending a premium on additional fans or fan upgrades will find this most interesting, and it's also useful if the stock configuration is just poorly planned)
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GPU Temps, Standardized
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I have separate lists for small form factor cases, but if you're looking at traditional cases, here's a list of the current top airflow cases.

Best Airflow Cases
Budget Airflow


If you're looking to scrape pennies the up-and-coming company Cougar has been kicking ass in the lower end. The MX-330G Air, in particular, might be the top high airflow case in the sub-$60 space at a non-sale price. My recommendation for the cases that only come with a single fan at stock would be to buy an additional Arctic F12 or Bionix F120 fan, assuming the total price still makes sense as a budget case, and configure a standard front-to-back airflow (this typically means installing the Arctic fan to the front of the case since cases with one fan almost always come with it installed in the rear by default).
  • Cougar MX331
    • MX331 Mesh [1x120mm fan; Acrylic Window]
    • MX331 Mesh-G [1x120mm RGB fan; Tempered Glass window]
    • MX331 Mesh-X [1x120mm fan; windowless version w/additional side vent]
  • Cougar MX410
    • MX410 Mesh [1x120mm fan; windowless, no side vent]
    • MX410 Mesh-G [1x120mm fan; Tempered Glass Window]
    • MX410 Mesh-G RGB [4x120mm RGB fans; Tempered Glass Window]
  • Cougar MX-330G Air [3x120mm LED Blue fans]
 
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Madmick said:
Indeed, GN is definitely the best.
You can always find this by looking up their most recent case review:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3635-fractal-meshify-2-xl-large-case-review

CPU temps (stock configuration)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_gpu_all.png


GPU temps (stock configuration)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_gpu_all.png



CPU Temps, Standardized
(GN installs an identical front-to-back airflow configuration with the same number of fans in each case; those interested in spending a premium on additional fans or fan upgrades will find this most interesting, and it's also useful if the stock configuration is just poorly planned)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_standard_cpu.png


GPU Temps, Standardized
fractal-meshify-2-xl_standard_gpu.png

I have separate lists for small form factor cases, but if you're looking at traditional cases, here's a list of the current top airflow cases.

Best Airflow Cases
  • be quiet Pure Base 500DX
  • Cooler Master Masterbox NR600
  • Cooler Master Masterbox TD500 Mesh
  • Cooler Master Mastercase H500 Airflow
  • Cooler Master Mastercase H500P Mesh
  • Corsair 4000D Airflow
  • Corsair Carbide 275R Airflow
  • Corsair Carbide Air 540
  • Corsair iCUE 220T Airflow
  • Fractal Design Focus G
  • Fractal Design Meshify C
  • Fractal Design Meshify S2
  • Lian Li LANCOOL 215
  • Lian Li LANCOOL Mesh II
  • Lian Li PC-O11 Air
  • Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL
  • Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh
  • Phanteks Eclipse P400A
  • Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital
  • Phanteks Eclipse P500A Digital
  • Silverstone FARA R1
  • Silverstone Raven RV02
  • Silverstone Redline RL06

And if you're looking to scrape pennies the up-and-coming company Cougar has been kicking ass in the lower end. The MX-330G Air, in particular, might be the top high airflow case in the sub-$60 space at a non-sale price. Top recommendation for those that only come with a single fan at stock would be to buy an additional Arctic F12 or Bionix F120 fan, assuming the total price still makes sense as a budget case, and configure a standard front-to-back airflow.
  • Cougar MX331
    • MX331 Mesh [1x120mm fan; Acrylic Window]
    • MX331 Mesh-X [1x120mm fan; windowless version w/additional side vent]
    • MX331 Mesh-G [1x120mm RGB fan; Tempered Glass window]
  • Cougar MX410
    • MX410 Mesh [1x120mm fan; windowless, no side vent]
    • MX410 Mesh-G [1x120mm fan; Tempered Glass Window]
    • MX410 Mesh-G RGB [4x120mm RGB fans; Tempered Glass Window]
  • Cougar MX-330G Air [3x120mm LED Blue fans]
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I have the be quiet Pure Base 500DX, it's fantastic.
 
Madmick said:
Indeed, GN is definitely the best.
You can always find this by looking up their most recent case review:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3635-fractal-meshify-2-xl-large-case-review

CPU temps (stock configuration)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_gpu_all.png


GPU temps (stock configuration)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_gpu_all.png



CPU Temps, Standardized
(GN installs an identical front-to-back airflow configuration with the same number of fans in each case; those interested in spending a premium on additional fans or fan upgrades will find this most interesting, and it's also useful if the stock configuration is just poorly planned)
fractal-meshify-2-xl_standard_cpu.png


GPU Temps, Standardized
fractal-meshify-2-xl_standard_gpu.png

I have separate lists for small form factor cases, but if you're looking at traditional cases, here's a list of the current top airflow cases.

Best Airflow Cases
  • be quiet Pure Base 500DX
  • Cooler Master Masterbox NR600
  • Cooler Master Masterbox TD500 Mesh
  • Cooler Master Mastercase H500 Airflow
  • Cooler Master Mastercase H500P Mesh
  • Corsair 4000D Airflow
  • Corsair Carbide 275R Airflow
  • Corsair Carbide Air 540
  • Corsair iCUE 220T Airflow
  • Fractal Design Focus G
  • Fractal Design Meshify C
  • Fractal Design Meshify S2
  • Lian Li LANCOOL 215
  • Lian Li LANCOOL Mesh II
  • Lian Li PC-O11 Air
  • Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL
  • Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh
  • Phanteks Eclipse P400A
  • Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital
  • Phanteks Eclipse P500A Digital
  • Silverstone FARA R1
  • Silverstone Raven RV02
  • Silverstone Redline RL06

And if you're looking to scrape pennies the up-and-coming company Cougar has been kicking ass in the lower end. The MX-330G Air, in particular, might be the top high airflow case in the sub-$60 space at a non-sale price. Top recommendation for those that only come with a single fan at stock would be to buy an additional Arctic F12 or Bionix F120 fan, assuming the total price still makes sense as a budget case, and configure a standard front-to-back airflow.
  • Cougar MX331
    • MX331 Mesh [1x120mm fan; Acrylic Window]
    • MX331 Mesh-X [1x120mm fan; windowless version w/additional side vent]
    • MX331 Mesh-G [1x120mm RGB fan; Tempered Glass window]
  • Cougar MX410
    • MX410 Mesh [1x120mm fan; windowless, no side vent]
    • MX410 Mesh-G [1x120mm fan; Tempered Glass Window]
    • MX410 Mesh-G RGB [4x120mm RGB fans; Tempered Glass Window]
  • Cougar MX-330G Air [3x120mm LED Blue fans]
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Have you had your hands on a Metallic Gear case yet? I'm assuming since it's Phanteks budget oriented brand that the cases are good but just have thinner metal.
 
Ryzen 7 5700G review: AMD's answer to the GPU shortage has arrived
PC World said:
What is Ryzen 5000G?
Ryzen 5000G is essentially AMD’s wildly successful 7nm Cezanne laptop chip, first used in the also wildly successful Ryzen 5000 desktop chips, but moved into an AM4 socket. You can read our review of Cezanne for full details on the chip.

AMD offered Ryzen 4000 APUs previously, but those were OEM-only for the most part. The fastest APU consumers have officially had access to was the 8-core Ryzen 5 3400G, built using an older 12nm process and AMD’s older Zen+ cores.

Two consumer Ryzen 5000G models are being introduced today, which you can officially buy beginning August 8:

  • Ryzen 7 5700G: 8-core, 16-thread, 7nm (Cezanne), with 8 CU’s of Radeon graphics at 2GHz. It has a boost clock of 4.6GHz and a base clock of 3.8GHz on a 65-watt TDP. The chip features 24 lanes of PCIe Gen 3, 20MB of cache, and a list price of $359.
  • Ryzen 5 5600G: 6-core, 12-thread, 7nm (Cezanne), with 7 CU’s of Radeon graphics at 1.9GHz. It has a boost clock of 4.4GHz and a base clock of 3.9GHz on a 65-watt TDP. The chip features 24 lanes of PCIe Gen 3, 19MB of cache, and a list price of $259.
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This is dope because AMD is finally offering the vanguard of their highest end APUs on the open market, and specifically for traditional desktop motherboards.

So for any who wanted to splash into PC gaming, excited about building, but were waiting because the GPU prices are exorbitant, this could be a great bridge to hold you over. An unorthodox but attractive strategy one might consider would be to put this into a Micro-ATX or Mini-ITX SFF case that would mesh well in a home theater cabinet. That way, if or when GPU prices do come down, one could move this out into the living room to function as a gaming-class HTPC, and build an entirely new rig with a more powerful discrete GPU for the bedroom/gaming room. Alternatively, the CPU is extremely high performance, so you could just buy the discrete GPU, and add it to what you've already go with the 5700G inside of it. It's flexible that way.

After all, I don't think $359 is expensive at all for the 5700G. Just look at how it compares to the 5800X. This is an extraordinary value at MSRP:
https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/659/AMD_Ryzen_7_5700G_vs_AMD_Ryzen_7_5800X.html
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Madmick said:
Ryzen 7 5700G review: AMD's answer to the GPU shortage has arrived

This is dope because AMD is finally offering the vanguard of their highest end APUs on the open market, and specifically for traditional desktop motherboards.

So for any who wanted to splash into PC gaming, excited about building, but were waiting because the GPU prices are exorbitant, this could be a great bridge to hold you over. An unorthodox but attractive strategy one might consider would be to put this into a Micro-ATX or Mini-ITX SFF case that would mesh well in a home theater cabinet. That way, if or when GPU prices do come down, one could move this out into the living room to function as a gaming-class HTPC, and build an entirely new rig with a more powerful discrete GPU for the bedroom/gaming room. Alternatively, the CPU is extremely high performance, so you could just buy the discrete GPU, and add it to what you've already go with the 5700G inside of it. It's flexible that way.

After all, I don't think $359 is expensive at all for the 5700G. Just look at how it compares to the 5800X. This is an extraordinary value at MSRP:
https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/659/AMD_Ryzen_7_5700G_vs_AMD_Ryzen_7_5800X.html
ryzen_7_5700g_metro_exodus-100897797-orig.jpg


ryzen_7_5700g_sotr-100897798-orig.jpg


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The Hardware Unboxed video showed the iGPU trading with the RX550.
Wendell really praised the 5700g and 5600g. ECC support could be a little spotty though, it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to enable it. He has a small 4750g in an ASRock Desk Mini and he's always praising it on Twitch.
 
Gigabyte has been hacked.


GIGABYTE servers hacked: 112GB of secret data from AMD, Intel leaked

GIGABYTE has confirmed it has been hacked, with hacking group RansomEXX claiming it had access to 112GB of confidential information that included secret goodies about AMD, Intel, and AMI documents.
The huge 112GB amount of documents and data is a very large amount, where it could be the very foundations and blueprints of next-generation technologies, product roadmaps, security keys for UEFI/BIOS/TPM data/keys, and so much more.
A message that TechPowerUp posted says that the hackers will only speak with an "OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE" of GIGABYTE, and they must have the power to act on behalf of the company -- if someone without that power contacts them, the ransom will be "RAISED" warns the hackers.
If these hackers are serious, there could be billions and billions of dollars worth of damages from the companies involved in the hack. 112GB of data from the likes of AMD and Intel alone is crazy, and then take into consideration the repercussions for GIGABYTE and its security staff.



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jefferz said:
Gigabyte has been hacked.


GIGABYTE servers hacked: 112GB of secret data from AMD, Intel leaked

GIGABYTE has confirmed it has been hacked, with hacking group RansomEXX claiming it had access to 112GB of confidential information that included secret goodies about AMD, Intel, and AMI documents.
The huge 112GB amount of documents and data is a very large amount, where it could be the very foundations and blueprints of next-generation technologies, product roadmaps, security keys for UEFI/BIOS/TPM data/keys, and so much more.
A message that TechPowerUp posted says that the hackers will only speak with an "OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE" of GIGABYTE, and they must have the power to act on behalf of the company -- if someone without that power contacts them, the ransom will be "RAISED" warns the hackers.
If these hackers are serious, there could be billions and billions of dollars worth of damages from the companies involved in the hack. 112GB of data from the likes of AMD and Intel alone is crazy, and then take into consideration the repercussions for GIGABYTE and its security staff.



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Holy fuck, why would anyone want to hack Giga? Just money?
 
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