Evidence of Jones' Guilt

Fuck ‘em…..right?
I think you'd have to do massive amounts of Tbol to actually test positive 'for years'. A serious amount of cheating, not just taking a bottle of tainted sups like everyone wants to claim. Look at Jones during his 'bodybuilding' phase if you wonder when he started hitting the Tbol with wild abandon.
 
My problem with the retroactive suspensions right now is that USADA isn't testing the fighters from the time they failed a drug test to the time it goes to arbitration; for example, Jones received a retroactive suspension but he wasn't tested at all for 9 months (out of a 15 month retroactive suspension).

USADA also lacks transparency when it comes to missed tests (so the public can see if someone is trying to game the system) and the fact that the details of someone snitching remains private (because for all we know Jones' snitching was barely anything or nothing at all and could've just been a cover for USADA/UFC to justify reducing his suspension enough for him to fight just three months later).


Jones leap in performance from Gusmao to Bonnar was suspicious, even Couture noticed it:
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UFC/USADA Is almost completely opaque at this point. The only reason you would run an operation like that is to avoid accountability. There are so many built in loopholesfor UFC's most valuable fighters, it's almost worthless.
 
I think you'd have to do massive amounts of Tbol to actually test positive 'for years'. A serious amount of cheating, not just taking a bottle of tainted sups like everyone wants to claim. Look at Jones during his 'bodybuilding' phase if you wonder when he started hitting the Tbol with wild abandon.
You “think” but you have no idea what you’re talking about.
 
UFC/USADA Is almost completely opaque at this point. The only reason you would run an operation like that is to avoid accountability. There are so many built in loopholesfor UFC's most valuable fighters, it's almost worthless.
Who has more transparency than usada?
 
You “think” but you have no idea what you’re talking about.
So YOU think poor Jon Jones accidentally took a bottle of tainted dick pills and is now pulsing Tbol for years? I'd venture to say YOU haven't got a clue about anything lol. In fact you sound like an ignoramus, a dupe, a rube. If you actually believe that, why should anyone take anything you have to say seriously?
 
Who has more transparency than usada?
What's this supposed to mean? As far as testing orgs? NSAC for starters. Remember, they blew up the whole Jon Jones pulsing debacle in the first place. If they hadn't brought it to light we would have never known about it, which would have been fine with you apparently.
 
Jones was suspended back in 2016 for clomiphene and letrozole. There was an arbitration report on it. You should read it.

Again, if you’re trying to suggest detectable masking agents mask m3 metabolites, you should educate yourself.
You do understand why I'm asking? How the masking agents and the Tbol got into his system is for him to figure out. USADA only has to find it to suspend him, they don't have to prove anything. My question to you is "why do you think he tested dirty so many times?"
 
My problem with the retroactive suspensions right now is that USADA isn't testing the fighters from the time they failed a drug test to the time it goes to arbitration; for example, Jones received a retroactive suspension but he wasn't tested at all for 9 months (out of a 15 month retroactive suspension).

USADA also lacks transparency when it comes to missed tests (so the public can see if someone is trying to game the system) and the fact that the details of someone snitching remains private (because for all we know Jones' snitching was barely anything or nothing at all and could've just been a cover for USADA/UFC to justify reducing his suspension enough for him to fight just three months later).


Jones leap in performance from Gusmao to Bonnar was suspicious, even Couture noticed it:
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You're claiming steroids taught Jones spinning elbows and leg sweeps?

Couture was commenting on how much the TECHNICAL aspects of Jones' game improved so quickly, not that he suddenly had physicality that he previously lacked.
 
A question in regards to the metabolites...how early can they show up after ingesting Tbol?
They can show up fairly quickly, as the primary and secondary metabolites break down, but the more important fact that a lot of people seem to ignore is that if they show up soon after ingestion, there will ALSO be those other metabolites present.

That's why they said there was no evidence of subsequent use - because he was being periodically tested during that time, and these tertiary metabolites were showing up, suddenly, where they weren't showing up previously, without any of the earlier "generation" metabolites ever showing up.
 
They can show up fairly quickly, as the primary and secondary metabolites break down, but the more important fact that a lot of people seem to ignore is that if they show up soon after ingestion, there will ALSO be those other metabolites present.

That's why they said there was no evidence of subsequent use - because he was being periodically tested during that time, and these tertiary metabolites were showing up, suddenly, where they weren't showing up previously, without any of the earlier "generation" metabolites ever showing up.
I don't believe they ever tested Jones often enough to truly eliminate the possibility of subsequent doping. Certainly not in the 6 months preceding his string of "pulsing" failures. He wasn't tested once during that time. After NSAC spilled the beans on his secret testing failures, he agreed to be tested more often for a period of time but I believe that was only a few months at most. He would have to be tested every 1 to 2 weeks to fully eliminate the possibility that he was still doping. If that ever happened, it was only for a short period of time.
 
You're claiming steroids taught Jones spinning elbows and leg sweeps?

Couture was commenting on how much the TECHNICAL aspects of Jones' game improved so quickly, not that he suddenly had physicality that he previously lacked.
Steroids can have a monumental impact on confidence and aggression, both of which can make a fighter more decisive with what they want to do. Furthermore, steroids also enable fighters to train more often which leads to quicker improvements in technical ability.
 
They can show up fairly quickly, as the primary and secondary metabolites break down, but the more important fact that a lot of people seem to ignore is that if they show up soon after ingestion, there will ALSO be those other metabolites present.

That's why they said there was no evidence of subsequent use - because he was being periodically tested during that time, and these tertiary metabolites were showing up, suddenly, where they weren't showing up previously, without any of the earlier "generation" metabolites ever showing up.
The reason I ask is because as soon as they start showing up, you could claim "pulsing" from years ago. Seems to really cloud things up. However, if you have it in your system, you probably used at some point, so like @kflo said, fuck 'em.
 
So YOU think poor Jon Jones accidentally took a bottle of tainted dick pills and is now pulsing Tbol for years? I'd venture to say YOU haven't got a clue about anything lol. In fact you sound like an ignoramus, a dupe, a rube. If you actually believe that, why should anyone take anything you have to say seriously?
I never said he took a tainted dick pill that had m3 genius……ever……keep making up your own narrative.
 
What's this supposed to mean? As far as testing orgs? NSAC for starters. Remember, they blew up the whole Jon Jones pulsing debacle in the first place. If they hadn't brought it to light we would have never known about it, which would have been fine with you apparently.
Lol. The nsac wanted a hearing to understand. That was all. They got their hearing and they were good. Lol at you pretending the nsac is some transparent testing body for usada to look up to. Jones next 2 fights after Gus were in Vegas…….
 
You do understand why I'm asking? How the masking agents and the Tbol got into his system is for him to figure out. USADA only has to find it to suspend him, they don't have to prove anything. My question to you is "why do you think he tested dirty so many times?"
Again, they had an arbitration on the clomiphene and letrozol. And again, they don’t “mask” tbol……

As for why he keeps testing for m3 metabolites………um……haven’t we been over this? It can stay in the system for a long time? I’m not saying he didn’t ingest tbol at some point but he’s repeatedly testing for it because it lingers in the body. Again, he’s not the only one…….
 
I don't believe they ever tested Jones often enough to truly eliminate the possibility of subsequent doping. Certainly not in the 6 months preceding his string of "pulsing" failures. He wasn't tested once during that time. After NSAC spilled the beans on his secret testing failures, he agreed to be tested more often for a period of time but I believe that was only a few months at most. He would have to be tested every 1 to 2 weeks to fully eliminate the possibility that he was still doping. If that ever happened, it was only for a short period of time.
You don’t want to believe. He was tested 42 times across multiple testing bodies in 2019 and he was tested 25 times by usada alone in 2020. You don’t seem to want to know the facts so that you can just say things that are false.
 
The reason I ask is because as soon as they start showing up, you could claim "pulsing" from years ago. Seems to really cloud things up. However, if you have it in your system, you probably used at some point, so like @kflo said, fuck 'em.
Again, that’s just not true. As soon as they start showing up, they will show up with other markers, AND they will show up in amounts greater than the threshold.
 
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