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Yeah I like the variety in his work, he just does what is needed to win. I agree he needs fast tracking.
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Torrez started off with head movement but he wasn't quick enough to pull it off. Then as he got tired he did it less and less. Not everyone can do what Tyson did.
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He can with training, it's just a timing thing, he has to constantly move his head without being in range to be hit, keep his head movement off line then get close quickly instead of doing his head movement then stopping at a certain point while still on line to be countered, this is what he started doing beautiful head movement but was stopping online without closing the distance taking away the counter right hand, this takes constant drilling over time.
Tyson would drill this constantly until it was natural he wouldn't even have to think about it, his head movement was perfect until age set in then the movement slows down gets sloppy especially when you don't work on it being quick smooth, you start getting lazy sloppy with your head movement then fatigue sets in also, this is what happened to Mike over the years.
Lopez trainers should've already worked on this over the years but they probably were letting bad habits get by and not fixing them of fatigue set in and Torez was just making little mistakes.
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If it was that easy we'd see more people doing it.
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"constant drilling over time" is "that easy" now?
Yeah, I wonder why everyone isn't putting in hard work consistantly over a long period of time. It's that easy.
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I'll say this. I like Jalolov and Torrez BOTH much better than the 2016 finalists. I predict at least one of them is going to hold a world title at one point. And I also predict Joyce and Yoka will NEVER ever hold a world title.
All in all, great olympics, great boxing tournament. The five judges system works better than the three judges system and should be implemented in professional boxing PERIOD
All in all, great olympics, great boxing tournament. The five judges system works better than the three judges system and should be implemented in professional boxing PERIOD
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You don't think top Olympians drill constantly over a long period of time? They just turn up to the games and do it with no training? Tyson was a one in a million talent, you can drill all you want, it doesn't mean you'll ever be as good as him. And if you want to be pedantic about it, let's call it simple not easy. I'm the one pointing out that it's not that simple as just drill a lot.
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You're moving the goalpost.
How many olympians train hard? All of them. How many trains as hard as Tyson? Only some of them. How many train to move their head while closing the distance the same way Tyson did? Only a few of them.
Obviously, training that one specific skill won't make you Mike Tyson. You still won't have the same speed, explosiveness, punching power and mastery of the peek-a-boo system Tyson had. But we're not talking about becoming "as good as him", we're only talking about stepping in after the initial head movement while adding another head movement so you don't get knocked out by a simple 1-2.
That can definitely be drilled. Is it hard? Yes. Is it possible? Absolutely.
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I'm not moving the goalpost, you are jumping into a discussion without knowing what's being discussed. @tekkennlee just said Torrez has to be like Tyson. My response was if only that was so easy. How many Tyson's have we had since Tyson? But his training methods are known so why haven't we had another Tyson? i.e. it can't be just as easy as drilling hard. Or else @tekkennlee should be Head Coach of the US Olympic Boxing Team.
And actually, Torrez did well at moving his head early in the fight but he couldn't sustain it. Tyson never gets much credit for his stamina but it was actually very good because he used such an energy-intensive style and he could keep it up for 6 rounds. Fighting like Tyson is exhausting.
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You're putting words into @tekkennlee's mouth
Try quoting him. He said "he should've moved his head more like Tyson", which you turned into "has to be like Tyson" and "fighting like Tyson".
He's not saying Torrez should do everything Tyson did the same way Tyson did it. He's not even saying he should move his head like Tyson. He's only saying he should move his head MORE like Tyson, which mean that in 1 (and only 1) specific aspect of the sport (not including any other aspects of said sport), he should try to imitate Tyson to a certain extent (which extent doesn't necessarily imply perfect resemblance).
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That's still a glib comment. Move your head more like Tyson, as if he wasn't trying already. Yeah good luck with that. And he should have used footwork like Muhammed Ali. Easy isn't it?
Sorry MORE like Muhammed Ali....
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Wow! You must be psychic! You picked the World Amateur champion and number 1 seed to take gold! How did you know???
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three for eight
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the second pic looks like his left ear is folding itself.If he lost a little bit of fat, Torrez can easily go into modeling/acting
I dont think he has the size for HW in boxing, or even CW
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Head movement is one of the most difficult things to teach a fighter. There are some fighters like Tyson who pick it up naturally & it becomes instilled in them early. While others like Torrez have to work at it constantly. But in both cases, it takes a lot of discipline & concentration to keep it up through an entire fight. The Tyson up through the Spinks fight was disciplined with it & could stay with it all night long. But then he started cutting corners in training & the first thing that suffered was his head movement. It wasn't all that obvious to most because he was still winning in quick, devastating fashion. That is until he stepped in with Buster Douglas & it became apparent just how much he'd slipped.
After which there were some flashes of his old self but nothing consistent. He was never able to reacquire the old skillset & as a result, he remained much easier to hit. And as a result, he began losing with consistency every time he faced a live opponent. Until finally, he began losing to scrubs like Williams & McBride.
As for Torrez, it's going to be very interesting watching him develop as a pro. He's going to be a tough match-up for a lot of heavies with his southpaw stance, high volume, heavy pressure style & what appears to be good power too. But will his chin hold up?
Yeah, it is not easy. Some lads does have serious natural talent for this.
I actually was not interested in boxing initially, I was KB guy with shitty head movement, therefore they told me to take boxing training additionally. Then I had get till boxing while this then still was not my main target for myself.
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Thanks for your nuanced answer. What you say makes a lot of sense. I figured it must be hard to be that good at head movement like Tyson.
I wasn't impressed with Torrez in his first match at the games. It was the first time I saw him, I thought he was just a brawling pressure fighter. But he looked tough. So when I found out he'd be flatlined by Jalolov (at the Worlds) it was a surprise. I'm glad he came through the final relatively unscathed though but I had a feeling he wouldn't get KO'd this time. I think he'll make a good pro. Him versus Joyce would be an interesting fight. As for his chin, I think he'll be ok until he comes up against the big hitters. I'm certain that Jalolov is one of them.
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i think you called it pretty well dude. My only surprise was HW. I couldn’t really see past jalolov for the gold. Aliev is a good fighter, as is Fraser Clark, but they’re both a level below jalolov
