Social [A**holes In The Sky] Flight Attendants Call For A National Ban List For Violent Air Passengers

[panamaican]

$2 million? lol.

As to the subject - boils down to if the airlines want to share those lists. I don't have a problem with it if they do. But I am curious about how they would defend it from litigation.

 

[woodguyatl]

Exactly.. a argument about a face mask or two people arguing politics shouldn't be a big deal. They need to train the flight attendants on how to deal and talk with people also. Sometimes they argue and argue and argue ... for the others who are just assholes and do criminal acts of course they should get prosecuted.

The first time your plane is diverted and you are delayed 12 hours because some asshole doesn't want to follow a rule or gets sloppy drunk or just goes full asshole you will likely support banning people. It has happened to me twice, both times because people got sloppy drunk. One got loud and was losing control and the other got so drunk she passed out in lavatory in her own puke and needed medical assistance.

 

[woodguyatl]

$2 million? lol.

As to the subject - boils down to if the airlines want to share those lists. I don't have a problem with it if they do. But I am curious about how they would defend it from litigation.

It seems that as long as the police were involved they would only be sharing the incident reports with, perhaps, some additional publicly available identifying details.

 

[Oceanmachine]

A lot of these times I would charge them with terrorism. If you need to be restrained you are a threat to the security of the plane and should be looking at minimum year or 2 or 3 or more in prison. Or should be shot

You should also be billed the cost of the jet fuel to turn around the plane if you caused it to turn around due to misbehavior and billed the cost of everyones flight ticket

 

[Oceanmachine]

You guys are thinking wrong


At minimum these people need to be jailed for a year or longer and fined the million dollars this incident costs.


We send people to prison for non violent drug crimes...

 

[ShadowRun]

The first time your plane is diverted and you are delayed 12 hours because some asshole doesn't want to follow a rule or gets sloppy drunk or just goes full asshole you will likely support banning people. It has happened to me twice, both times because people got sloppy drunk. One got loud and was losing control and the other got so drunk she passed out in lavatory in her own puke and needed medical assistance.

I been on over 100 flights .. some of them 16 straight hours... now plane has never been diverted ... why do planes divert because of assholes? so landing in 2 hours from diverting instead of lets say 6 hours fixes the problem ?

 

[Staph infection]

Well you have to wait for long times in airports while getting groped by TSA, then you get to squeeze onto a crowded flight and have to deal with airline staff that are enjoying the biggest power trip of their lives so you can assume there will be increases in people being pissed off and not wanting to deal with other peoples shit.

If an individual airline wants to ban someone for their actions fine, but if you start a ban list or no fly list across all airlines it will be the start of some big issues. Then you will cab companies wanting to ban people across the board, or what is someone causes a scene in a grocery store. Do they then get banned from all grocery stores? This is another slippery slope thing and is a road that we should not be going down.

 

[panamaican]

It seems that as long as the police were involved they would only be sharing the incident reports with, perhaps, some additional publicly available identifying details.

I was thinking about if the banned individual would make some kind of collusion or antitrust claim. I don't think it's a winning lawsuit but I wondered about the defense - what the specific legal argument is to justify defending my employees from an individual who committed a bad act against my competitor's employees, not mine. Again, I'm sure the airlines win this every time, just thinking through the "how".

 

[Mike Hagger]

Not following rules on airplane regardless of what they are. We don't want passengers deciding what is safe and what isn't. About 20 years I was flying and we were in some turbulence so the captain asked everybody to take a seat. Some asshole decided that he absolutely needed a drink from the galley. As he was walking past me we hit turbulence and the mother fucker lost his balance and scratched my cornea with his finger as reached fore something to hold onto. I would support a ban for him. The captain made one simple request and this asshole couldn't follow it.

Also, we should ban people who walk down the isle hitting everybody with their backpacks or shoulder bags......and also the people who take their shoes off with stinky feet.

Settle down there passenger gestapo.

This is interesting, can private companies pool together to collectively ban an individual from air travel? Sounds like restricting a citizens freedoms. I don’t know tough one. If laws are broken and the DHS puts someone on a no fly list. That’s one thing. If a stewardess and a passenger get into an argument and delta bans said passenger over something that isn’t a crime, or an endangerment. Now that passenger is banned from potentially all air travel. There’s already debate if the DHS no fly list is unconstitutional.

 

[Rational Poster]

I think I'd argue that freedom of movement is a basic human right and it should come with the modern convenience of air travel.

However, if your behavior significantly harms staff or passengers, or delays travel, they should be criminally and financially punished. Want to cause a scene over a mask? Enjoy paying for the wasted jet fuel for the rest of your life when they have to turn the plane around to deal with your bullshit.

The airplane staff should be equipped to subdue passengers and passengers should be aware that there are consequences for their behavior during air travel. It's not a Best Buy. The customer isn't always right.

They also probably shouldn't serve alcohol. Seems really stupid.

 

[woodguyatl]

I been on over 100 flights .. some of them 16 straight hours... now plane has never been diverted ... why do planes divert because of assholes? so landing in 2 hours from diverting instead of lets say 6 hours fixes the problem ?

Early in my career I used to fly about 150 times each year. My co-workers did the same so as a group we saw a lot of shit. I listed the reasons my flights were diverted above. Others that I know of from colleagues are a passenger pissed in the corner of the galley and then refused to take his seat. Another is a passenger standing up after take-off and starting to preach the "Good Word" in a very Pentecostal way. They diverted after and hour of him refusing to quiet down and take his seat. This was a flight from Atlanta to Capetown and nobody needed him to be on board for another 16 hours. Another time a a guy got into an argument with a flight attendant over whether he could use chewing tobacco.

 

[ShadowRun]

Early in my career I used to fly about 150 times each year. My co-workers did the same so as a group we saw a lot of shit. I listed the reasons my flights were diverted above. Others that I know of from colleagues are a passenger pissed in the corner of the galley and then refused to take his seat. Another is a passenger standing up after take-off and starting to preach the "Good Word" in a very Pentecostal way. They diverted after and hour of him refusing to quiet down and take his seat. This was a flight from Atlanta to Capetown and nobody needed him to be on board for another 16 hours. Another time a a guy got into an argument with a flight attendant over whether he could use chewing tobacco.

Yea that is pretty shitty ... I think they should get banned from airlines if they are that out of control .. The lady that drank too much and had medical problems not so sure about her being banned though.

 

[I Am Legion]

Flying on a private airlines is not a right. You pay for the service but if you are unruly you should lose that ability. I have been on flights with people doing drugs, drunk people, fat people, people with children that are just too young to fly or behave (I didnt even take my kids to restaurants until they were old enough to behave). The new thing now are cultures that dont use deodorant or shower frequently. People pay 1000 a ticket and dont want to sit next to stank:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/01/31/american-airlines-orthodox-jewish-odor/

 

[woodguyatl]

Yea that is pretty shitty ... I think they should get banned from airlines if they are that out of control .. The lady that drank too much and had medical problems not so sure about her being banned though.

I agree about the drunk lady but at the time we wanted to hang her. She showed up the flight drunk and shouldn't have been allowed on but this was the mid-90's and things were way more relaxed then.

 

[HereticBD]

I wouldn't be against it, but if not, the fines should be poverty inducing. There's no excuse for it.

Also, quit serving booze on flights. Folks might go off from time to time, but in a lot of those cases, the airlines are providing the fuel for it.

 

[method115]

I don't think you should be banned for life and I think you should receive a few chances. Everyone has a bad day and reacts poorly. With that said if you've fucked up 3 times and had 3 different flights diverted over a matter of years then yea maybe you should be banned for life.

 

[freakroor]

i dont think anyone should fly. bad for our environment and mostly unnecessary for our species survival in the grand scheme of things

 

[djacobox372]

Why shouldn't they be

Normally I'd say a private company can decide who they want to serve for whatever reason (outside of legally protected classes).

However there are certain industries that have the ability to seriously hurt someone's ability to live their lives, the airlines is one of those.

In this case there needs to be due process, and the ability for a person to atone for what they did if guilty.

We can't let social currency replace our right to presumed innocence.

 

[Otto!]

Flying is so uncivilized these days, that I am fine with putting anyone who makes it worse on a no-fly list.

 

[Scerpi]

Flying on a private airlines is not a right. You pay for the service but if you are unruly you should lose that ability. I have been on flights with people doing drugs, drunk people, fat people, people with children that are just too young to fly or behave (I didnt even take my kids to restaurants until they were old enough to behave). The new thing now are cultures that dont use deodorant or shower frequently. People pay 1000 a ticket and dont want to sit next to stank:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/01/31/american-airlines-orthodox-jewish-odor/

Oh god.. You just reminded of a red eye flight my brother took from Alaska to come visit me here. I think it's a 6+ hour trip

There was a mentally.... challenged teenager.. running up and down the isles the whole flight, yelling and farting. Everyone, passengers and crew were extremely patient... but no one was able to sleep. He said the the smell was just foul and rotten.

Kid finally konked out with about 30 minutes left on the flight. Fuck me... my bro was pissed at that family for subjecting an entire flight to that on a red eye. A day flight wouldn't have been so horrible since maybe most passengers wouldn't be trying to sleep, but even though many do.

I have a feeling that kid would have been taken down today.