UFC Fight Night: Dern vs. Rodriguez

I didn't have time to tape this week but if I'm going to miss a week I suppose this is a good one. I have bet the boxing, and will play Dern sub + Dern sub rd 1... May also play Garcia KO once odds come out (Wiki bet).
 
Oh Winn gasses for sure too.

But the thing is, even when Winn is gassed, he'll be able to secure sloppy TD's.

It's going to basically turn into a wrestling match in rounds 2/3, and I'll take the more credentialed wrestler anyday.

Shooting for TD's that you've drilled thousands of times when you're gassed is far easier than defending them.

Edit: I'm not supremely confident in this play, I just think Hawes being -330 is pretty crazy.

Winn is definitely the more credentialed and better wrestler...but he is insanely undersized for the division. Because he evidently likes to eat and doesn't want to cut ANY weight. If both are gassed, Winn's superior technique may win out, but Hawes sheer size edge could to.

I guess the pretty sizeable dog odds on Winn have some appeal. But it's hard to ever back the guy after that all time bed shitting performance against Meerschart. I've never seen Hawes THAT gassed, that was embarrassing by Winn.
 
Dern KO is +1600 here so had a tiny crack at that along with TKO round 3/4/5 at +8100 / +15100 / +15100
 
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I wish Winn would hire a nutritionist and go down to lightweight. He’s got so much potential but chooses to be a fat ass.
 
Lightweight?! Wishful thinking. I guess DC could drop down to MW with a nutritionist lol.
I mean, dude’s thick but he’s also carrying quite a bit of fat. Not to mention he could (and should) lose some muscle mass to get his weight down. Kind of like Aldo. Sure, he’s leaner, but he also had to lose some lean mass to make it down a weight class. Another example is Barboza. Man was as lean as it gets and still managed to get down to featherweight.

And DC really could haha. If he could drop down to single digit BF%, I doubt he’d be heavier than Borrachinha.
 
I mean, dude’s thick but he’s also carrying quite a bit of fat. Not to mention he could (and should) lose some muscle mass to get his weight down. Kind of like Aldo. Sure, he’s leaner, but he also had to lose some lean mass to make it down a weight class. Another example is Barboza. Man was as lean as it gets and still managed to get down to featherweight.

And DC really could haha. If he could drop down to single digit BF%, I doubt he’d be heavier than Borrachinha.
Barboza and Aldo complete different spectrums in terms of body type lol. Leaner fighters cut easier, more muscle means holding more water. Fat doesn't weigh as much. And DC and Winn are both Endomorph body types. They are big in every way, not necessarily fat. 16 years ago when DC was in 26 and wrestling for the Olympics he was over 200 pounds. Probably hasent been a MW since his teen years
 
Winn is definitely the more credentialed and better wrestler...but he is insanely undersized for the division. Because he evidently likes to eat and doesn't want to cut ANY weight. If both are gassed, Winn's superior technique may win out, but Hawes sheer size edge could to.

I guess the pretty sizeable dog odds on Winn have some appeal. But it's hard to ever back the guy after that all time bed shitting performance against Meerschart. I've never seen Hawes THAT gassed, that was embarrassing by Winn.

Yeah he is undersized, but I think between the GM3 loss, his shit performance against Arroyo, and Hawes beating Daukaus, the line is just a bit off.

Just made this small play on him with an odds boost, not supremely confident in it, but with these odds I like it.

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I haven't really read through this thread, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but is anyone here confidently on Hawes @ -310?

After rewatching tape on him, I am not impressed whatsoever.

His cardio is lackluster and he resorts to using his wrestling in rounds 2/3 to win almost every fight.

He's going to have a striking and reach advantage, but when he gasses, and he will gas, he's not going to be able to stuff the takedowns of Winn after 7 minutes or so.

Winn is going to make this ugly and rather boring like most of his fights, but I really think he can grind out a decision here.
I’m not laying -3xx on Hawes, but his last two definitely assuage the cardio concerns somewhat. Huge strength and athleticism advantage.
 
Yeah he is undersized, but I think between the GM3 loss, his shit performance against Arroyo, and Hawes beating Daukaus, the line is just a bit off.

Just made this small play on him with an odds boost, not supremely confident in it, but with these odds I like it.

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I also hate the dodgers bet
 
I also hate the dodgers bet

As a cardinals fan, I don't like it.

But when a book gives you a -210 favorite @ +100, it's a good idea to take it and hedge by throwing 25 on the cardinals ML +190.

But it's an incredibly small bet for me, I had over 200 on the Sox last night. But as a big cardinals fan, I can't bet them just because I want them to win.

Sox @ +120 last night at home was value. Cole had been playing like shit yet still garnered respect from bookies.
 
Barboza and Aldo complete different spectrums in terms of body type lol. Leaner fighters cut easier, more muscle means holding more water. Fat doesn't weigh as much. And DC and Winn are both Endomorph body types. They are big in every way, not necessarily fat. 16 years ago when DC was in 26 and wrestling for the Olympics he was over 200 pounds. Probably hasent been a MW since his teen years
To be fair, anyone can become lean. Some people - like Edson - just have an easier time. And both guys really are endomorphs with massive legs and torsos but even if they aren’t fat, they aren’t exactly lean. I doubt either one is too close to sub-15% BF.

Cannonier’s also an endomorph and had some fat on him and gradually shed weight. Borrachinha from what I remember also puts on weight really easily between fights but he leans down significantly before them.

Of course, it’d be necessary to overhaul Winn’s entire lifestyle but it’s certainly possible if he truly wanted it.
 
Winn lost to Stewart who is a terrible wrestler compared to Hawes. He beat Arroyo who ain't sharpest tool in the shed.
For Hawes to lose something needs to give. He dominated Daukhaus with ease in the third round of their last fight and Kyle should be way more conditioned for long wars than the ever gassy Winn.
 
As a cardinals fan, I don't like it.

But when a book gives you a -210 favorite @ +100, it's a good idea to take it and hedge by throwing 25 on the cardinals ML +190.

But it's an incredibly small bet for me, I had over 200 on the Sox last night. But as a big cardinals fan, I can't bet them just because I want them to win.

Sox @ +120 last night at home was value. Cole had been playing like shit yet still garnered respect from bookies.
I’m a STL guy so was just being a homer, sorry if I came off as a dildo w that comment. Congrats on the cash my dude.
 
Winn lost to Stewart who is a terrible wrestler compared to Hawes. He beat Arroyo who ain't sharpest tool in the shed.
For Hawes to lose something needs to give. He dominated Daukhaus with ease in the third round of their last fight and Kyle should be way more conditioned for long wars than the ever gassy Winn.
Pretty much this. Only way I could see Hawes losing is if he'd sell out hard for the wrestling, which he doesn't even need to do nowadays due to his improved striking and the fact that Deron is a lumbering target.
 
Hawes is nearly better in everything to Winn. The wrestling gap between Winn and Hawes is minor. But the striking is world's apart.
 
Hawes, Gutierrez, Nicolau and Romanov will win. Not a lock but easy wins.
 
bit late on this one, apologies. Was hard to find the motivation to tape this card, and the first two fights I did were the Staropoli and Hughes ones...Anyway my 2 cents:

Garcia/Onti: Bit of a shitshow fight. Ontiveros moving to LW first time in his career, going to be huge. The under is the only decent option here, Ontiveros gets Koed and quits for fun, and Garcia is constantly aggressive and has decent power. I still have some PTSD from playing the under in the Mana/Guido fight and last week's main. I think for it go over, Garcia will have to come out and fight, unlike his usual self, because Ontiveros is very hittable and fights with his hands down. Possibly the under 1.5 at plus money for less exposure.

Rosa/Jackson: Jackson is the side but I wish the odds were better. Jackson has some sneaky power, he is cracking some dudes on the regionals and has a one-punch KO as well. His aggressive pressure game where he hunts for takedowns is a perfect game plan against Rosa. He has to avoid getting subbed, which should be ok as Rosa's jits seems to be getting worse and worse. I don't like how Jackson keeps dropping down for the guilly. His takedown defense almost seems as bad as Rosas, which adds potential for a
sweaty scramble fest where judges have no idea who won. Jackson is also chinny but I think he should be fine here. Rosa is just a fade for me in general, not UFC lvl. I have a sprinkle on the decision just due to the odds being better. Hopefully, this isn't the first time Rosa gets subbed, I think his chin will hold up.

Romanov/Vanderaa: Rough matchup for Vanderaa. Big athletism advantage for Romanov, almost inevitable he will get a TD in round 1 at some point. Vanderaa is a turtle off his back. I think Romanov has the cardio to take Vanderaa down in every round. Espino is another big wrestler, he actually took Romanov down, mounted him and made him work his way up which I think is what tiered him out. Vanderaa doesn't have good wrestling, he usually just cage holds for ages until he gets some sort of trip. Also doesn't have much power, most of his KOs are from GNP against low-level opponents. He does have an iron chin though, so I was looking at the over 1.5 at plus money. You never know with Romanov though, he could pull off a forearm choke or he could just keep changing positions on the ground and doing stupid King Kong punches. Also, another ref stops that Roque fight in the first during the GNP.

Gutierezz/Corales: Think there is value in Gutierezz DEC, or RD3/DEC if you want to be safe. Gutierrez is a neutralizer, he sticks and moves and can't even finish an opponent he has been when they are there for the taking. Corales is also tough as shit, but very hittable and as he slows down he gets even more sloppy. Gutierrez stays very safe on the ground, dont see him getting subbed. Durden and Barcelos are more dangerous and both had his back for around at least. He also has underrated takedown D and getups. Other than a meme leg kick KO ( he has 2 now so possible ), I think he picks off Corales for 3 rounds.

Hawes/Winn: Awful matchup for Winn. Think Hawes is due for a KO again. Winn has better wrestling credentials I'm pretty sure, but means fuck all in MMA. He cant hold anyone down, so he always has to mat return fighters for 3 rounds, and he just doesn't have the cardio to do that. A half-dead Arroyo with 0 takedown defense kept getting up from under him. He got hurt by Stewart in the second, by GM3 in the third and Arroyo was tagging him in the first. You don't want to be taking punches from Hawes. Winn is durable but I think Hawes' cardio has improved so much he could even finish Winn late when he tires out, especially if he targets the body. Round 1 and the under have juicy odds, but if you want to be safe just the KO prop is plus money.

Agapova/Mazo: Easy dog or pass here, no way I can lay that kind of price on Mazo. She has lost RD 1 in 4 out of 5 of her UFC fights. She is still quite green, doesn't sit down on her punches, and has a trash ground game. She is going to be at a massive speed disadvantage early against Agapova. If Agapova comes out super aggressive, she might gas but that round is going to be a sweat. Agapova is also an opertunistic back taker. Mazo gave up her back twice to try to stand up against Davis and was stuck in that position for the rest of the round. Agapova can at least reverse ground positions and has some aggression about her. Also pretty good GNP. I have seen the craziness regarding Agapova and that Moroz interview. The photo in the interview is about 13 weeks ago, more than 3 months. She's at a new gym now and its hard to know if that stuff is still going on, but if its not that's plenty of time to get some solid training in. I think Mazo is tough so not sure if I can play Agapova either, live bet might be a good spot if she empties the gass in the first.

Elliot/Nicolau: Nicolau is a solid fighter, good everywhere. Great grappling and wrestling, technical boxing, and good power. Nice leg kick. Volume and cardio could be a bit better and I have questions about that chin. Although it held up against Kape who was landing some solid stuff. I had to go back to his TUFF days to see some takedown defence and how he is off his back. I liked what I seen in terms of technical get-ups and not staying on the ground long. The Efrain fight more recently in Brave was a bit more concerning, but I think he just decided to stay on the ground to ride out rounds that he was clearly winning. In the second he was hunting for a heel hook and also hurt his opponent with a solid upkick. I think he could be live for a sub here considering Elliot almost got his knee blown up by Beniot of all people. The fact that Elliot is going to keep coming and has better volume makes these odds a bit wide. But I still think Nicolau is a level above and im noticing improvements fight to fight.

Dern/Marina: Seems like a simple fight but something about it makes it hard to get a read on. I have half a unit on Dern by finish because I will be pissed if that result happens and I had no money on it. Otherwise, in a 5 round fight and with no finish I favour Marina all day. She always has one takedown in her in each fight, but she still hasn't been subbed by black belts like Calvillo and Ribas. I know Dern is on another level, but I just have a bad feeling Marina could survive by just holding on till the next round. Not playing props here as I recon Dern is durable and the only KO Marina has in the UFC is against Ribas who in my opinion is a bit chinny. But out of principle I will keep that Dern finish play at plus money
 
I'd be a little hesitant in betting Garcia to finish Ontiveros, at least early. Ontiveros is a can but Garcia recently fought at featherweight & bantamweight not too long ago, so I'm not expecting his power to be too devastating at lightweight.
 
Taking Agapova round 1 at 10.0. I don't think she knows any way other than to fight full throttle and either you survive the onslaught or you don't, but it's coming.
 
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