Who hits harder Fury or Ngannou?

[kflo]

Before his hands turned to dust, Floyd definitely hit harder than Conor or any current or past FW in MMA.

Because he’s a boxer…..derp……

C’mon……

 

[kflo]

That's probably the most important number -- its why if Ngannou boxed Fury most people would bet on Fury. He very likely would land more actual damage, and actual damage is much more important than theoretical damage. There are shot putters out there who can punch harder than Ngannou (according to sports science its the most powerful motion in sports), though of course they'd never land on Ngannou while he'd land on them.

Fury knocked out wilder twice. It doesn’t mean he hits harder than wilder. C’mon.

Why are people trying to change it to a who would win a fight debate? Ali knocked out foreman. He doesn’t hit harder than foreman.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Conor had good power but when he went into boxing his punches looked so weak.

I think with boxing gloves on Fury has more KO potential.

Ngannou has crazy power in MMA but throw some 10oz gloves on and I'm not so sure.

 

[west42]

Are we talking close to average sherdogger size?

Fury will just make Usyk carry his weight. He has over 50lbs on him.

I don't think people realize how fucking big Tyson Fury is.

 

[Khaiser]

Conor had good power but when he went into boxing his punches looked so weak.

I think with boxing gloves on Fury has more KO potential.

Ngannou has crazy power in MMA but throw some 10oz gloves on and I'm not so sure.

This.

It genuinely shocks me that people don’t yet get this. Like we’ve already seen a very visible power differential between McGregor and Mayweather - one considered positively feather fisted by boxing standards and one considered to have a legit ‘touch of death’ by MMA standards (back then at least). People are too quick to forget that a massive part of the intrigue in that was based on the question “but what if McGregor catches him?” Well, he did, and he didn’t have anything close to enough power to cause him even the slightest issue. I mean he didn’t have enough power to stop himself being walked down. You would have to go waaaaaay down the boxing rankings to find a middleweight that Floyd could walk down.

Fury is knocking out elite level boxers (who are going to have far better chins than elite level MMA fighters on average) and doing so with bigger gloves.

I’m genuinely not even sure what the argument for Ngannou even is other than some ‘long levers’ nonsense or some punch metrics.

None of this is a knock of Ngannou either btw, it’s just a bizarre thin for MMA fans to expect of ‘their guy’. Like, of course he doesn’t hit as hard as an elite heavyweight boxer. He doesn’t kick as hard as elite heavyweight kickboxers either or have as good a guard as an elite heavyweight jits guy etc etc. He’s not even meant to.

 

[kflo]

Conor had good power but when he went into boxing his punches looked so weak.

I think with boxing gloves on Fury has more KO potential.

Ngannou has crazy power in MMA but throw some 10oz gloves on and I'm not so sure.

Anderson silva in 10 oz gloves had the most impressive knockout with his fists as he’s ever had in his career. Gloves wouldn’t have prevented overeem from being separated from consciousness.

 

[CC27]

Ngnannou hits harder and of course Fury is the better boxer, obviously.

 

[kflo]

This.

It genuinely shocks me that people don’t yet get this. Like we’ve already seen a very visible power differential between McGregor and Mayweather - one considered positively feather fisted by boxing standards and one considered to have a legit ‘touch of death’ by MMA standards (back then at least). People are too quick to forget that a massive part of the intrigue in that was based on the question “but what if McGregor catches him?” Well, he did, and he didn’t have anything close to enough power to cause him even the slightest issue. I mean he didn’t have enough power to stop himself being walked down. You would have to go waaaaaay down the boxing rankings to find a middleweight that Floyd could walk down.

Fury is knocking out elite level boxers (who are going to have far better chins than elite level MMA fighters on average) and doing so with bigger gloves.

I’m genuinely not even sure what the argument for Ngannou even is other than some ‘long levers’ nonsense or some punch metrics.

None of this is a knock of Ngannou either btw, it’s just a bizarre thin for MMA fans to expect of ‘their guy’. Like, of course he doesn’t hit as hard as an elite heavyweight boxer. He doesn’t kick as hard as elite heavyweight kickboxers either or have as good a guard as an elite heavyweight jits guy etc etc. He’s not even meant to.

Mcgregor didn’t catch Floyd clean at all. He landed 1 fairly clean uppercut.

Wilder became one of the most powerful hw’s alive fairly quickly.

It’s silly to think that ngannou can’t throw punches with force and technique. He’s not as good a boxer as fury. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t hit harder. Fury knocked out wilder twice despite wilder clearly having more power. Always having more power.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Are we talking close to average sherdogger size?

Tyson Fury is basically an out of shape sherdogger.

 

[campbecc]

Fury has more power in a punch all day just simply from superior technique and throwing hands for years, remember Francis hasn't been training all that long in the grand scheme.

I think it's a very fair question though if you were to ask who is naturally stronger. Francis with that sand mine strength is likely stronger when it comes to sheer raw strength.

There is a very old saying in boxing, punchers are born not made. Technique helps you to land punches not to punch hard. Foreman's technique was terrible and Wilder's is not that good either.

 

[Khaiser]

Mcgregor didn’t catch Floyd clean at all. He landed 1 fairly clean uppercut.

Wilder became one of the most powerful hw’s alive fairly quickly.

It’s silly to think that ngannou can’t throw punches with force and technique. He’s not as good a boxer as fury. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t hit harder. Fury knocked out wilder twice despite wilder clearly having more power. Always having more power.

I’m not going to get into the semantics of “clean” vs “fairly clean” dude. Wast of everyone time. McGregor clearly coach thinks early and it didn’t even remotely phase Floyd, who proceeded to show a blatant disrespect for his supposed power.

Again, none of that came as a surprise to me in any way, as I went from boxing to Muay Thai to MMA and know first hard the lower differential is very tangible. It’s not like something that’s subtle, or hard to put your finger on, it’s very blatant.

Wilder became one of the most powerful heavyweights alive after years of dedicated boxing training. That power is still largely confined to a straight right hand at mid range.

Nobody has suggested that Ngannou can’t throw shots with technique or force, so again not sure what your point is there. The entire premise surely has to be based around what we actually know about each man, and their respective sports?

Boxers hit significantly harder on average.

Boxers have better chins on average.

Hitting hard and having the ability to take punches is their bread and butter. It’s their raison d'être if you like.

Fury participates in that sport, and knocks out those better chinned men while wearing 10oz gloves.

Genuinely, I’m not even sure what the rational argument here is for Ngannou, other than that he hypothetically could.

 

[Khaiser]

There is a very old saying in boxing, punchers are born not made. Technique helps you to land punches not to punch hard. Foreman's technique was terrible and Wilder's is not that good either.

You’re taking that saying too literally.

Sprinters, strong men, powerlifters and endurance athletes are also born, not made, in that of you don’t have the genetic makeup to excel in that area, you never will even with the best training in the world.

All aspects can of course be greatly honed by training however.

 

[campbecc]

You’re taking that saying too literally.

Sprinters, strong men, powerlifters and endurance athletes are also born, not made, in that of you don’t have the genetic makeup to excel in that area, you never will even with the best training in the world.

All aspects can of course be greatly honed by training however.

A haymaker is by far the most powerful punch and it takes no technique to throw it, it's not taught in boxing. You can get into better shape so you can throw a harder haymaker but that's different than technique.

 

[kflo]

I’m not going to get into the semantics of “clean” vs “fairly clean” dude. Wast of everyone time. McGregor clearly coach thinks early and it didn’t even remotely phase Floyd, who proceeded to show a blatant disrespect for his supposed power.

Again, none of that came as a surprise to me in any way, as I went from boxing to Muay Thai to MMA and know first hard the lower differential is very tangible. It’s not like something that’s subtle, or hard to put your finger on, it’s very blatant.

Wilder became one of the most powerful heavyweights alive after years of dedicated boxing training. That power is still largely confined to a straight right hand at mid range.

Nobody has suggested that Ngannou can’t throw shots with technique or force, so again not sure what your point is there. The entire premise surely has to be based around what we actually know about each man, and their respective sports?

Boxers hit significantly harder on average.

Boxers have better chins on average.

Hitting hard and having the ability to take punches is their bread and butter. It’s their raison d'être if you like.

Fury participates in that sport, and knocks out those better chinned men while wearing 10oz gloves.

Genuinely, I’m not even sure what the rational argument here is for Ngannou, other than that he hypothetically could.

He generally knocks out fighters through cumulative damage over the course of a fight. Ngannou is finishing most of his opponents on the first clean strike he lands.

again Ali knocking out foreman doesn’t make him more powerful just as fury isn’t more powerful than wilder. Fury being more likely to finish a high level boxer in boxing over 12 rounds doesn’t make him more powerful than wilder or ngannou.

 

[somatotropin]

This.
Like, of course he doesn’t hit as hard as an elite heavyweight boxer. He doesn’t kick as hard as elite heavyweight kickboxers either

He both punches and kicks harder than both. Everything points to it and fanboys are the only one disagreeing.

 

[Khaiser]

A haymaker is by far the most powerful punch and it takes no technique to throw it, it's not taught in boxing. You can get into better shape so you can throw a harder haymaker but that's different than technique.

A haymaker isn’t a punch. It’s simply a commonly used word to refer to someone delivering their most powerful punch.

Literally every punch you could possibly throw can be made harder with technical adjustments and it’s properly mind boggling that anyone would think otherwise. Punching isn’t some sort of unique athletic act that can’t be improved upon.

 

[campbecc]

A haymaker isn’t a punch. It’s simply a commonly used word to refer to someone delivering their most powerful punch.

Literally every punch you could possibly throw can be made harder with technical adjustments and it’s properly mind boggling that anyone would think otherwise. Punching isn’t some sort of unique athletic act that can’t be improved upon.

A haymaker is definitely a kind of punch. It's when you bring your hand all the way back behind you then throw it with an arching trajectory throwing all your body weight behind it. And it is definitely the hardest punch but nearly impossible to land on anyone who has any idea how to fight. I guess if you practiced haymakers you could probably get better at them, but that would be conditioning not technique.

 

[Khaiser]

He generally knocks out fighters through cumulative damage over the course of a fight. Ngannou is finishing most of his opponents on the first clean strike he lands.

again Ali knocking out foreman doesn’t make him more powerful just as fury isn’t more powerful than wilder. Fury being more likely to finish a high level boxer in boxing over 12 rounds doesn’t make him more powerful than wilder or ngannou.

Again, there’s a massive difference between stopping an elite boxer with 10oz gloves and stopping an elite MMA fighter with MMA gloves.

There is no ‘make him more powerful’ in this. There is no way of me literally proving to you that one hits harder than the other, and I could just as easily allude to the fact that Fury’s excellent inside game would make him a force to be recognised with Ngannou in the clinch in MMA.

Because we can’t definitely prove it, we take what we know and extrapolate. What we know is that boxers have - on average - better punch resistance and significantly more power. What we have seen is MMA fighters go into boxing, and suddenly lose much of their power by MMA standards. We’ve seen Fury stop those elite level boxers with gloves not entirely dissimilar to those that resulted in McGregor’s power looking…..rather pitiful in all honesty. He would be considered up there as one of the hardest hitting featherweights of all time in MMA, but didn’t have the power to stop an old, ultra cautious fighter who he outweighed by about 25lbs, from simply putting his guard up and walking him down.

We go with the balance of evidence and that’s heavily in Fury’s favour. I can’t prove it to be the case, but I’m still failing to see an actual argument for Ngannou other than lack of proof, which is hardly an argument in itself.

 

[chardog]

has ngannou ever knocked out a fighter with wilder level chin?

 

[Khaiser]

A haymaker is definitely a kind of punch. It's when you bring your hand all the way back behind you then throw it with an arching trajectory throwing all your body weight behind it. And it is definitely the hardest punch but nearly impossible to land on anyone who has any idea how to fight. I guess if you practiced haymakers you could probably get better at them, but that would be conditioning not technique.

You’re talking about an overhand right here. Christ.

You see it thrown in boxing ffs.