International What is the truth behind Donald Trump?

The stay in Mexico policy was pretty awesome. He slowed the illegal immigration in big ways. The caravans ceased. How you don't know that is kind of problematic. You Orange Man Bad weirdos can't see the sun.

See the sun? When he left office there were/still 20 million illegals in the country. Wow, you really set a low bar for him and, in all likelihood, don't even care about illegal immigration if you think he did a good job on the issue.
The caravans ceased? The caravans are/were completely meaningless when it comes to illegal immigrants and illegal immigration into the country. If he were actually serious about illegal immigrants and illegal immigration he would have (but did not) punished businesses that hire illegal immigrants. It sounds like you're weirdly cheerleading for someone having attempted half assed, empty and meaningless solutions to a problem.
 
He did tell the Germans (and others) that they needed to get off Russian oil and that not doing so put them in a bad spot in dealing with Russia. They laughed it off.

Don't get me wrong, here. The guy was a terrible president, and is an even worse human being. But people are complex and so is foreign policy.

The simplistic way to look at Trump and Russia is to say that Trump was a fan and therefore an enabler of Puitn. The more nuanced (and I think more accurate) way to see it was that Trump, as a wannabe strongman himself, had an unhealthy respect for Putin's way of being. But also, and again as a wannabe strongman, would have loved nothing more than an opportunity to kick the shit out of Putin and establish himself as king of the hill. And Putin, as a real strongman himself who understood how strongmen operate, wasn't particularly interested in messing with that. All the while, Germany et al played lip service to how terrible Putin was, but continued to play ball with him and had no intention to ever get in a fight with him... something that Putin, as a strongman, also understood and used to his advantage.

Since we're on a fight forum, think of it this way. Fighter 1 is the champ and is a killer in the cage and an anti-social animal outside. Fighter 2 is a not so skilled wannabe champion with extremely heavy hands in the cage and an anti-social asshole outside. Fighter 2, naturally, envies Fighter 1 and wants to be him, and therefore wants to fight him. Fighter 1, naturally, wants no part of Fighter 2. Too unpredictable, too dangerous.

In the meantime, Germany is that girl who talks shit about both Fighters and how they represent toxic masculinity... but jumps at any opportunity she gets to fuck them.

This goes back to the discrepancy between what he says and what his team has him do. Trump would express admiration for Putin in public statements and talk about getting out of NATO but then his team would craft a policy to sanction Russia in his next bill.

This is not just limited to Russia. What he says and the legislation the team around him puts out are two separate things.
 
Yeah, armed mob that caused billions in damage and killed many
It was a mob that stormed the capitol with the intention of disrupting the confirmation of the President of the United States.
 
See the sun? When he left office there were/still 20 million illegals in the country. Wow, you really set a low bar for him and, in all likelihood, don't even care about illegal immigration if you think he did a good job on the issue.
The caravans ceased? The caravans are/were completely meaningless when it comes to illegal immigrants and illegal immigration into the country. If he were actually serious about illegal immigrants and illegal immigration he would have (but did not) punished businesses that hire illegal immigrants. It sounds like you're weirdly cheerleading for someone having attempted half assed, empty and meaningless solutions to a problem.

The stay in Mexico policy worked. You are looking pretty pale. Get some sun son.
 
Trump pulled back US support for NATO, distanced the US from its allies and specifically asked to lessen support from the US in terms of defense spending. That reduced the threat of NATO expanding into Russia’s geographic sphere of influence and slowed Russia’s physical advanced into Ukraine. As a broader policy, Trumps actions towards NATO would have broken the alliance, and that would have led to Russian control over Eastern Europe.

The stronger NATO commitment from the Biden administration created a need for Putin to enforce the geographical buffer between the powerful NATO bloc by invading Ukraine. But, Russia failed to take Ukraine, and NATO has now grown in terms of commitment to military strength on the continent.

In short, Trumps strategy would have bought more years of peace now at the expense of ceding Eastern Europe to Russia in the longer term. It was appeasement and it was doomed to fail.

Obama’s failed reaction to the invasion of Crimea was worse by far than the approach of either Trump or Biden to Russia.

Im open to the idea that ceding land and sovereignty of some nations to save lives is a defensible approach, I’m just not convinced that it ever really pans out that way. Usually the territory gets conquered, and the people end up getting killed anyway.

I barely even remember 2014. But with what is happening today I need to go back and see what happened.
 
They're definitely going to take it to another level now. It would be fair to say that while Trump gave NATO countries a kick in the ass, Putin now has rolled tanks onto their front yard.

There's simply no way for Europe to act as it did, sleepy and ignorant in the face of a growing threat, becoming resource dependent on a country clearly positioning itself as our enemy. Every country must have a functional military of its own in order to proceed, the idea of relying on hollow promises by Americans to spill their blood in our stead, never stood on firm ground.

If there's to be fighting, then the fighting is to be done by us, just like Ukraine is showing. The US might ship guns and some specialists but that's all you can ask for.
I agree with everything but empty American promises to spill our blood. Like you stated what more can you ask for than our assistance. America is interested in global stability but everyone has to do their part by investing in their own military and fighting to protect their homeland.
 
The stay in Mexico policy worked. You are looking pretty pale. Get some sun son.

Lol, the stay in Mexico policy was about asylum seekers having to remain in Mexico before potentially being granted asylum into the USA. What in God's name does this have to do with Trump being given (by you) a high grade for how he handled immigration and illegal immigrants?
 
Lol, the stay in Mexico policy was about asylum seekers having to remain in Mexico before potentially being granted asylum into the USA. What in God's name does this have to do with Trump being given (by you) a high grade for how he handled immigration and illegal immigrants?

The Stay in Mexico policy dramatically stopped the Illegal Immigration. Along with the public measures telling them they are not invited. Biden has done the opposite and we are being flooded. How you don't know this is problematic. You really should not be discussing this topic until you are educated. Why do you think the numbers have surged under Biden?
 
The Stay in Mexico policy dramatically stopped the Illegal Immigration. Along with the public measures telling them they are not invited. Biden has done the opposite and we are being flooded. How you don't know this is problematic. You really should not be discussing this topic until you are educated. Why do you think the numbers have surged under Biden?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Biden. Absolutely nothing so why would you even bring him up? You said in your previous post that you gave Trump a high grade for how he handle immigration/illegal immigration which is downright laughable considering he did nothing to reduce the number of illegal immigrants already here and he did nothing to punish businesses that hire them. Again, what does how Trump handled immigration have to do with Biden? And, again, the stay in Mexico policy has to do with asylum seekers having to stay in Mexico before their court hearings, how is this substantive at all to yield Trump a high grade for how he handled immigration when he was POTUS?
 
Trump is a puppet like all the rest. Trump supporters and Trump haters are both marks. What you see ITT are grown adults indulging in the political version of the Batman vs Superman. You guys are arguing like children over nonsense.
 
See the sun? When he left office there were/still 20 million illegals in the country. Wow, you really set a low bar for him and, in all likelihood, don't even care about illegal immigration if you think he did a good job on the issue.
The caravans ceased? The caravans are/were completely meaningless when it comes to illegal immigrants and illegal immigration into the country. If he were actually serious about illegal immigrants and illegal immigration he would have (but did not) punished businesses that hire illegal immigrants. It sounds like you're weirdly cheerleading for someone having attempted half assed, empty and meaningless solutions to a problem.
No body expects all illegals to be rounded up and deported, en masse. We would simply like border security, which is really something we all should agree on. I can't imagine why anyone would be against a strong border.
 
No body expects all illegals to be rounded up and deported, en masse. We would simply like border security, which is really something we all should agree on. I can't imagine why anyone would be against a strong border.

We should have a strong border defense, however this isn't what I am arguing about with him.
 
We should have a strong border defense, however this isn't what I am arguing about with him.
You mentioned how many illegals were in the country. post Trump. I was responding to that.
 
The irony is so thick listening to all these TDS sheep angrily spout hate and claiming Trump was the cause of the divide.

oh the irony is just too much
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Trump wasn't the cause but he sure threw fuel onto the fire. Can you pull up even one speech without vitriolic rhetoric against one group or another? I doubt there's even one that he didn't veer off into rambling against some detractor stuck in his craw.
 
He did tell the Germans (and others) that they needed to get off Russian oil and that not doing so put them in a bad spot in dealing with Russia. They laughed it off.

Don't get me wrong, here. The guy was a terrible president, and is an even worse human being. But people are complex and so is foreign policy.

The simplistic way to look at Trump and Russia is to say that Trump was a fan and therefore an enabler of Puitn. The more nuanced (and I think more accurate) way to see it was that Trump, as a wannabe strongman himself, had an unhealthy respect for Putin's way of being. But also, and again as a wannabe strongman, would have loved nothing more than an opportunity to kick the shit out of Putin and establish himself as king of the hill. And Putin, as a real strongman himself who understood how strongmen operate, wasn't particularly interested in messing with that. All the while, Germany et al played lip service to how terrible Putin was, but continued to play ball with him and had no intention to ever get in a fight with him... something that Putin, as a strongman, also understood and used to his advantage.

Since we're on a fight forum, think of it this way. Fighter 1 is the champ and is a killer in the cage and an anti-social animal outside. Fighter 2 is a not so skilled wannabe champion with extremely heavy hands in the cage and an anti-social asshole outside. Fighter 2, naturally, envies Fighter 1 and wants to be him, and therefore wants to fight him. Fighter 1, naturally, wants no part of Fighter 2. Too unpredictable, too dangerous.

In the meantime, Germany is that girl who talks shit about both Fighters and how they represent toxic masculinity... but jumps at any opportunity she gets to fuck them.
I don’t think you needed the analogy but I agree with most of your post before that. What I don't think is true is there being any chance of Trump wanting to kick the shit out of Putin. I believe there's more of an adulation there as well as some sort kompromat that explains Trump's consistent subservience.

He was compromised even before the election by lying about negotiations for a real estate deal in Moscow, Juniors expressed willingness to accept Russian government help, as well as Stone and Manafort's contacts with Russian agents.
 
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It was a mob that stormed the capitol with the intention of disrupting the confirmation of the President of the United States.

That the FBI literally escorted in…
 
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