Social Social pressures can convince 15 year olds to become trans. Small children arent vulnerable????

[IamStryker]

Yes. But it's not just religions that brainwash and indoctrinate. Just about all kids are brainwashed and indoctrinated to some degree. My assertion was that organized religions are better at it.

Ah got it.

 

[Seano]

Most aren't. Only about 1 in every 11 or 12 are. Can you also just not believe it's 2:00 twice every single day?

I don't really understand your point here , to be honest. I believe under the proper circumstances we can all find certain things pleasurable or enjoyable that we wouldn't if our experience were different.

 

[Scerpi]

Ummmm.....That's not exactly accurate.

The Florida bill is an awful piece of legislation. But it's designed to fix a problem that is largely non-existent anyway, so it's not going to do a huge amount of harm. The main problem is that it basically gives parents, who are not present for the conversations, the right to make the determination as to when something has crossed the line. Or to put it another way, the state gives you a speeding ticket because I told them you were driving past our house too fast. Based solely on the account of my 10 year old daughter.

Haha... What a sad reach. They don't push religion on kids in grade school.

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[IamStryker]

Ummmm.....That's not exactly accurate.

The Florida bill is an awful piece of legislation. But it's designed to fix a problem that is largely non-existent anyway, so it's not going to do a huge amount of harm. The main problem is that it basically gives parents, who are not present for the conversations, the right to make the determination as to when something has crossed the line. Or to put it another way, the state gives you a speeding ticket because I told them you were driving past our house too fast. Based solely on the account of my 10 year old daughter.

I do not think this will result in a hard to prove he said she said. If it's part of the classroom lesson or discussion then all of the kids would be witness to it.

 

[cooks1]

Ah got it.

You know who is in second place behind Religions when it comes to indoctrination- Governments. It's hilarious to me that people worry about kids being indoctrinated from exposure to tolerance of different sexual orientations or gender identities. Meanwhile.......at the very same place....the same kids are required..........daily......to stand and recite a pledge of allegiance. An act they will have repeated some 2200 times before they leave HS. They will have recited this pledge several hundred times before they have any real grasp or understanding of what it means. That, my friend, is indoctrination.

 

[cooks1]

I do not think this will result in a hard to prove he said she said. If it's part of the classroom lesson or discussion then all of the kids would be witness to it.

That's never been a real issue and it isn't an issue now. I have and 8th grader and a 3rd grader that have spent their entire lives in FL schools. These subjects creep into the conversations in schools because they are a real part of the students lives. Students ask each other questions and they ask their teachers questions.

 

[cooks1]

Haha... What a sad reach. They don't push religion on kids in grade school.

LOL. You are the one reaching. I showed the legal tender of our government. You showed a sheet of paper that, while it has no doubt been used in some schools, I highly doubt it's required material in any. Meanwhile....kids are required to recite a daily pledge of allegiance to their nation being under god every day at school.

 

[IamStryker]

You know who is in second place behind Religions when it comes to indoctrination- Governments. It's hilarious to me that people worry about kids being indoctrinated from exposure to tolerance of different sexual orientations or gender identities. Meanwhile.......at the very same place....the same kids are required..........daily......to stand and recite a pledge of allegiance. An act they will have repeated some 2200 times before they leave HS. They will have recited this pledge several hundred times before they have any real grasp or understanding of what it means. That, my friend, is indoctrination.

No one has an issue with teaching tolerance.

I have no issue with the pledge.

 

[cooks1]

No one has an issue with teaching tolerance.

I have no issue with the pledge.

Well Florida definitely has an issue with teaching tolerance of people with different sexual orientations. It's against the law now. If some kid blurts out an insensitive remark about homosexuals, which I think any reasonable person could foresee, almost anything the teacher said afterwards regarding tolerance of people with different sexual orientations would be illegal.

Your lack of issue with the pledge does not make you bad. It just means you are like most people, and you support indoctrination when and only when it aligns with your principles. Which, in all likelihood, you were indoctrinated with.

 

[Papi Chulo]

Imagine going back in time and telling people that teenage girls would be getting their breasts cut off because they claim to be the essence of a boy "assigned" into the flesh of a female. It's so twisted - has there ever been a demographic more susceptible to mimetic contagion and body dysmorphia than teenage girls? We all understood this 20 years ago when discussing eating disorders. Remember how we pointed to unrealistic body types in advertisements, magazines etc as being the driving force behind those? But now that this same demographic spends most of their waking hours staring into screens, being manipulated by algorithms and posting pictures of themselves for others to judge, we're supposed to believe that simultaneously yet completely unrelated to that a whole bunch of them realized that they have a gender-aura that doesn't match their body. Enough that an industry has developed to capitalize off the phenomenon. We're supposed to hand our daughters to a freak like this guy to cut her breasts off and poison her with testosterone? Because she "feels" like a boy? This is pure insanity and will go down as a massive medical scandal.

This is evil

He's destroying these teen girls. They will never know holding their newborn and nursing

 

[IamStryker]

Well Florida definitely has an issue with teaching tolerance of people with different sexual orientations. It's against the law now. If some kid blurts out an insensitive remark about homosexuals, which I think any reasonable person could foresee, almost anything the teacher said afterwards regarding tolerance of people with different sexual orientations would be illegal.

Your lack of issue with the pledge does not make you bad. It just means you are like most people, and you support indoctrination when and only when it aligns with your principles. Which, in all likelihood, you were indoctrinated with.

I am very confident that you are completely wrong about your claim that a teacher would not be able to say "Plese stop making mean comments about people who are different. We should all be tolerant of one another". Link me to evidence that the teacher can not say that. The Florida bill would not restrict that comment.

You earlier said yourself that there is always some level of indoctrination so I don't know how you could be against all of it. Basically anything you teach a child outside of hard facts is indoctrination. Anything regarding morality.

I am against most indoctrination in public schools. I dont see any real harm with the pledge. America is a great country so what is wrong with patriotism? You arent forced to love your country ever. In fact is any child forced to say the pledge? At most you just have to stand up and shut up.

 

[IamStryker]

This is evil

He's destroying these teen girls. They will never know holding their newborn and nursing

I was wondering what age girls can surgically have their breasts removed. Sounds like they do it under 18. I dont know how anyone can defend this.

 

[Zazen]

Haha... What a sad reach. They don't push religion on kids in grade school.

What exactly does "emotionally attracted to" mean?

 

[cooks1]

I am very confident that you are completely writing about your claim that a teacher would not be able to say "Plese stop making mean comments about people who are different. We should all be tolerant of one another". Link me to evidence that the teacher can not say that. The Florida bill would not restrict that comment.

The second the teacher brings gender identity into the discussion, it becomes illegal. If the teacher said. 'We do not make fun of gay people in this class. They deserve your respect like anyone else.' she would be breaking the law as it's written. This is the first page of the actual law.

An act relating to parental rights in education; amending s. 1001.42, F.S.; requiring district school boards to adopt procedures that comport with certain provisions of law for notifying a student's parent of specified information; requiring such procedures to reinforce the fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control of their children in a specified manner; prohibiting the procedures from prohibiting a parent from accessing certain records; providing construction; prohibiting a school district from adopting procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying a parent about specified information or that encourage or have the effect of encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such information; prohibiting school district personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental notification and involvement in critical decisions affecting a student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being; providing construction; prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels or in a specified manner; requiring certain training developed or provided by a school district to adhere to standards established by

Now- here is the fun part. The law itself makes no attempt whatsoever to define what could be considered gender identity or sexual orientation discussion. That way at least teachers would have some idea of what could or could not be said. Instead, the law gives the parents the authority to determine what is considered discussion. From page 3 of the bill.

authorizing a parent to bring an action against a school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that a school district procedure or practice violates certain provisions of law; providing for the additional award of injunctive relief, damages, and reasonable attorney fees and court costs to certain parents;

You can download the actual pdf from here.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557

 

[jamesmiller14]

Having a 4 year old trans kid is a badge of honor to these sick weirdos.

A Disney executive with one “pansexual” child and one transgender child is claiming that not enough lead characters is Disney content are “LGBTQIA.”

They are using their kids as status symbols.

How disgusting, no wonder she's an executive at Disney. Is anyone actually surprised?

Makes me wonder when she started talking sex with her kids.

Potty training?

 

[jamesmiller14]

Oh, yeah... It's just "the leftists" and not people like "Cocaine orgy invitee" Congressman Madison Cawthorn.

Yeah... It's just "the leftists."

Does he push this on policy? Or is he just a freak on his own time?

 

[Strychnine]

Does he push this on policy? Or is he just a freak on his own time?

"Do as I say, don't do as I do."

Genesis - Jesus he knows me.

 

[IamStryker]

The second the teacher brings gender identity into the discussion, it becomes illegal. If the teacher said. 'We do not make fun of gay people in this class. They deserve your respect like anyone else.' she would be breaking the law as it's written. This is the first page of the actual law.



Now- here is the fun part. The law itself makes no attempt whatsoever to define what could be considered gender identity or sexual orientation discussion. That way at least teachers would have some idea of what could or could not be said. Instead, the law gives the parents the authority to determine what is considered discussion. From page 3 of the bill.



You can download the actual pdf from here.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557

In this scenerio where I wrote what the teacher could respond with the teacher did not introduce the discussion. The student was simply attacking someone and the teacher responded with telling them to stop and to be tolerant of others. You are reaching hard acting like this is in violation. Let me know when this happens in real life.

 

[Loiosh]

I didnt ignore it dummy. I check your links which is how I know how untrustworthy you are. Now I'm waiting for you to stfu with your off topic nonsense.

Except it's a historical fact.

The links lead you to court cases in several states and illustrate just how many people were enslaved. It shows how colorblind laws are weaponized against minorities, and as a result demolishes one of your principal arguments.

This is why you refuse to admit something that is so well documented.