Social Social pressures can convince 15 year olds to become trans. Small children arent vulnerable????

[MoparOrNoCar]

Well we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I will grant you that influencing or manipulating someone could cause the victim to act gay, yes. But I refuse to believe that someone can actually change their basic instinctual sexual preference (men or women).

Am I the only one that feels this way? I don't think so, as most straight males I've talked to would agree with me. No amount of pressure, coaxing, or manipulation could make me actually prefer to be with a man over a woman. If you say that is not your experience then it's as I said, you may be a bisexual and just don't recognize it.

I'm not so sure that molestation and porn can turn someone gay either. It may lead to various forms of perverted sexual practices, becoming desensitized to it, however I still honestly cannot see how that could change the way someone innately feels about being straight or being gay. For the people who do change, as you stated, more than likely they were always gay to begin with, or bisexuals at the very least.

And you asked how I would know if I grew up in a household that encouraged me to be gay that I would still be straight? I know because it's instinctual. The thought of french kissing a man is repulsive to me personally and always has been. I had a crush on a girl in my kindergarten class - not because I thought that was expected of me, but because I'm simply not sexually attracted to males.

"Multiple trans kids in homes". Sorry. This planet has 6.5 billion people. You can find outliers in anything that contains so many variables. When we have much larger and healthier populations on earth than ever before, yes, you are going to see an increase in trans/gay/etc. Couple that with social media and the Internet, and people's abilities to broadcast their lives for anyone to see, along with the fact that the social stigma is disintegrating, and it's not difficult to see why it APPEARS as if there are so many more trans or gay people than before. It's an illusion dependent on a multitude of factors and my contention is that it's not because everyone is "turning gay" from seeing two cartoon bears holding hands in a story book.

Of course no amount of pressure could coax you into changing your sexual preference because you aren't a 6 year old who lacks hormones and hasn't even gone through puberty yet. We already went through this. This isn't about the opinion of you and your bros not being able to be coaxed into kissing a dude. We're talking about undeveloped, malleable minds that have not gone through puberty and do not have hormones that affect their sexual being. Neither of us can even relate to that situation so it's completely pointless to try comparing your fully developed brain and the way you think as an adult to a child in that situation.

You keep trying to relate the issues going on in a small child's brain to the way you'd handle the issues right now as a grown ass man and that's not how we need to think about these things. You have no idea if the thought of french kissing a man would be repulsive if you were brought up with french kissing men plastered all over the place as normal when you grew up. How do you know that you liked a girl in kindergarten because you were born that way and not because your parents and society nudged you in that direction? You didn't even have the hormones to even know what to do with a girl yet.

Like I said, 20% of Gen Z'ers affiliate themselves with LGBTQ. What that means, I don't know exactly but I can tell you that it's not standard "I was born this way" type of behavior. A woman was just shown at a rally who claimed to have 4 transgendered children. I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you if you think that it's just a statistical anomaly that the super liberal mom with pink and green hair just happened to have the genes that made all her kids trans and them being trans has nothing to do with their mother's ideological beliefs.

 

[IamStryker]

I knew that a long time ago, which is why I stopped replying to you.

And then you begged me to reply to you, so I gave you another chance.

My mistake.

It was kind of worth it to show you presented with the historic evidence of how colorblind laws have been weaponized against the black community, and how slavery existed into the 20th century, and you just ignoring it because that's who you are. Someone who would have absolutely supported slavery and would now if it wasn't banned.

I didnt ignore it dummy. I check your links which is how I know how untrustworthy you are. Now I'm waiting for you to stfu with your off topic nonsense.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Of course no amount of pressure could coax you into changing your sexual preference because you aren't a 6 year old who lacks hormones and hasn't even gone through puberty yet. We already went through this. This isn't about the opinion of you and your bros not being able to be coaxed into kissing a dude. We're talking about undeveloped, malleable minds that have not gone through puberty and do not have hormones that affect their sexual being. Neither of us can even relate to that situation so it's completely pointless to try comparing your fully developed brain and the way you think as an adult to a child in that situation.

You keep trying to relate the issues going on in a small child's brain to the way you'd handle the issues right now as a grown ass man and that's not how we need to think about these things. You have no idea if the thought of french kissing a man would be repulsive if you were brought up with french kissing men plastered all over the place as normal when you grew up. How do you know that you liked a girl in kindergarten because you were born that way and not because your parents and society nudged you in that direction? You didn't even have the hormones to even know what to do with a girl yet.

Like I said, 20% of Gen Z'ers affiliate themselves with LGBTQ. What that means, I don't know exactly but I can tell you that it's not standard "I was born this way" type of behavior. A woman was just shown at a rally who claimed to have 4 transgendered children. I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you if you think that it's just a statistical anomaly that the super liberal mom with pink and green hair just happened to have the genes that made all her kids trans and them being trans has nothing to do with their mother's ideological beliefs.

Absolutely this.

 

[Papi Chulo]

And if you had grown up 80 years ago, you would have hardly seen any gays. You see them now for the same reason you see more trans kids now. They no longer have to hide if they don't want to.

I graduated HS in 1987. At that time I think there were maybe 2 people that were out as gay out in a school of 3700. Just off the top of my head, I can think of at least 20 people from that group who have since come out, and one that has transitioned. And that's just who I know of.

Just because you are only seeing it now doesn't mean it's new or increasing. There are roughly 1.4 million trans people in the US. Almost exactly the rate of incidence Kinsey pegged back in the 1950's. And it's pretty much what you would expect if you looked at the rate of gender anomalies at birth and early childhood gender dysphoria. Now, if those rates of occurrence are on the increase, we might look at what we are ingesting.

Lgbt kids are increasing at a rapid rate. It's because it's been encouraged by the leftists and promoted in libraries, schools and media.

There are too many for this just to happen on it's own.

When you start having left wing families and all their kids are gay, trans and pansexual, that's when you know this stuff is increasing because it's being encouraged.

 

[IamStryker]

Lgbt kids are increasing at a rapid rate. It's because it's been encouraged by the leftists and promoted in libraries, schools and media

Who woulda thought that kids like clowns?

 

[cooks1]

Woman at my work updates everyone daily on her non-binary son and his group of friends that all have these weird pronouns and fictional beliefs about gender and such. His girlfriend apparently identifies as a boy but has all the characteristics of a female. All aged about 17.

So thankful to have been born in the 90's.

LOL. It's best not to get caught up in the words. I was talking with my wife recently and she mentioned some celebrity who had come out as 'non binary' or 'gender fluid' or some such tripe.

Wife: (Insert Charlie Brown Teacher noise) came out as non/binary/gender fluid/nhjidhfieudshve

Cooks1: Do they have boobies and a vagina or do they have a pee pee?

Wife: Boobies and vajayjay

Cooks1: Does she play with pee-pee's or does she play with other vagina's- or both ?

Wife: They (preferred pronoun) prefer men.

Cooks1: Seems like a heterosexual girl to me.

Wife: You asshole.

 

[cooks1]

Lgbt kids are increasing at a rapid rate. It's because it's been encouraged by the leftists and promoted in libraries, schools and media

That's a bizarre picture. But there is no evidence to support the assertion that the rate of incidence among Lgbt or TG individuals, child or adult, is on the increase. It's still almost exactly where Kinsey pegged it in 1953. But your sphincter tightening is certainly understandable. Because it is fair to say the rate of costumed trans demons reading to kids is on the rise.

 

[sangreporsangre]

The terminology is new, and the tech has made it easier for younger people to acquire the knowledge base, but the frame of mind isn't, nor is the behavior. You would feel a lot better about some of this if you read Kinseys research. Which has been extensively vetted and largely confirmed in subsequent decades. Around 25% of men have had more than 1 homosexual experience which resulted in orgasm. let that one sink in for a moment.

Sounds a lot like how the tech of previous generations made it easier for kids to realize that they had multiple personality disorder, or that they needed to starve themselves. The idea that screen addiction and algorithms are some neutral, or even beneficial, factors that help some depressed kid discover their "true self" will never ring true to me. And the notion that it's healthy for an 11 year old girl to "come out as asexual" will always be a non-starter. Of course she's "asexual", she's 11! The question is why does she think she needs an "LGBTQ+ identity" to explain why she doesn't want to have sex with anyone at such a young age. I would say it's because her school, the media and our deranged culture have "helped her acquire the knowledge base" i.e. filled her undeveloped mind with all this rainbow propaganda and created some insane feedback loop.

We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think this is natural or healthy. I think that screen addiction, terrible nutrition and a culture gone completely off the rails have lead to the situation we're in. And I'll never condone the act of giving a teenager a mastectomy because she claims she has a boy or non-binary spirit, that's just insane and should be illegal. I can only focus on raising my own kids, I feel terrible for the children caught up in this insanity but I'm powerless to do anything else.

 

[cooks1]

Sounds a lot like how the tech of previous generations made it easier for kids to realize that they had multiple personality disorder, or that they needed to starve themselves. The idea that screen addiction and algorithms are some neutral, or even beneficial, factors that help some depressed kid discover their "true self" will never ring true to me. And the notion that it's healthy for an 11 year old girl to "come out as asexual" will always be a non-starter. Of course she's "asexual", she's 11! The question is why does she think she needs an "LGBTQ+ identity" to explain why she doesn't want to have sex with anyone at such a young age. I would say it's because her school, the media and our deranged culture have "helped her acquire the knowledge base" i.e. filled her undeveloped mind with all this rainbow propaganda and created some insane feedback loop.

We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think this is natural or healthy. I think that screen addiction, terrible nutrition and a culture gone completely off the rails have lead to the situation we're in. And I'll never condone the act of giving a teenager a mastectomy because she claims she has a boy or non-binary spirit, that's just insane and should be illegal. I can only focus on raising my own kids, I feel terrible for the children caught up in this insanity but I'm powerless to do anything else.

Oh, I never said a lot if it was natural or healthy. You bring up a ton of excellent points. And I do share a lot of your concerns. What I am suggesting to you though is that there have always been, and always will be, 11 year olds with gender dysphoria. There have always been and always will be gays and all the other 'labels'. And the number of them has always been a lot more than people think. It's just a LOT easier to see them now.

 

[Goatenstein]

This is the same way religions are forced on children, teaching them nonsense from an early age.

 

[cooks1]

This is the same way religions are forced on children, teaching them nonsense from an early age.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Excellent point. When it comes to brain washing and indoctrination, organized religion is without peer.

 

[IamStryker]

This is an interesting and funny discussion on the Florida bill.



Ethan: Its prohibiting something that isnt happening!!!

Michael: Then what's the problem?

Ethan: The third grade math teacher won't be allowed to incorporate lesbian mothers into a math problem!!!

This is a paraphrase but was definitely one of his arguments.

 

[IamStryker]

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Excellent point. When it comes to brain washing and indoctrination, organized religion is without peer.

Just to be clear you think anyone brought up in a religion is brain washed right? This includes Muslims? Buddhists? Jews?

 

[cooks1]

Like I said, 20% of Gen Z'ers affiliate themselves with LGBTQ. What that means, I don't know exactly but I can tell you that it's not standard "I was born this way" type of behavior. A woman was just shown at a rally who claimed to have 4 transgendered children. I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you if you think that it's just a statistical anomaly that the super liberal mom with pink and green hair just happened to have the genes that made all her kids trans and them being trans has nothing to do with their mother's ideological beliefs.

'Affiliate' is a broad term, and 20% is a big %. But your assertion that it's 'not standard' behavior belies the reality of the situation. I would like to reiterate that 25% of adult men have engaged in more than 1 homosexual sexual encounter that resulted in orgasm. The data has ben around for 70 years and it has been vetted and re-vetted, confirmed and reconfirmed dozens of times in the decades since.

There is a lot going on that is unhealthy. Particularly for youngsters. But a BIG part of what's going on is people are getting slapped in the face with some fundamental truths they were not aware of and are not comfortable with.

 

[Scerpi]

This is the same way religions are forced on children, teaching them nonsense from an early age.

It's not state sponsored though... Keep the sexualized talk about genders AND religion out of the classroom. Not why this has to keep being repeated.

There's a lot of garbage that parents do to their kids. But they're parents and that's their right (outside of child abuse).

There's parents who push trans garbage on 4 year old Timmy if he even picks up a Barbie doll. I think it's ridiculous, but that's their right. I think putting young girls in beauty pageants is awful as well... But, to each to their own.

And there were policies in some locations that advocated keeping parents out of the loop in those classroom discussions. Can you imagine how irate parents would be if a teacher was trying to push any religion on their students and telling them to hide from their parents?

 

[cooks1]

Just to be clear you think anyone brought up in a religion is brain washed right? This includes Muslims? Buddhists? Jews?

Yes. But it's not just religions that brainwash and indoctrinate. Just about all kids are brainwashed and indoctrinated to some degree. My assertion was that organized religions are better at it.

 

[cooks1]

It's not state sponsored though...

Ummmm.....That's not exactly accurate.

Keep the sexualized talk about genders AND religion out of the classroom. Not why this has to keep being repeated.

There's a lot of garbage that parents do to their kids. But they're parents and that's their right (outside of child abuse).

There's parents who push trans garbage on 4 year old Timmy if he even picks up a Barbie doll. I think it's ridiculous, but that's their right. I think putting young girls in beauty pageants is awful as well... But, to each to their own.

And there were policies in some locations that advocated keeping parents out of the loop in those classroom discussions. Can you imagine how irate parents would be if a teacher was trying to push any religion on their students and telling them to hide from their parents?

The Florida bill is an awful piece of legislation. But it's designed to fix a problem that is largely non-existent anyway, so it's not going to do a huge amount of harm. The main problem is that it basically gives parents, who are not present for the conversations, the right to make the determination as to when something has crossed the line. Or to put it another way, the state gives you a speeding ticket because I told them you were driving past our house too fast. Based solely on the account of my 10 year old daughter.

 

[cooks1]

I have a cousin that I saw raised like a girl. He's the gayest person I have ever seen, like a walking stereotype of what people in the 80s thought homosexuals were. No one will ever convince me he wasn't molded into what he is today.

Perhaps the behavior and mannerism's were molded. But it's pretty damn hard to mold a heterosexual male to enjoy sucking cock and getting fucked in the ass.

 

[Seano]

Perhaps the behavior and mannerism's were molded. But it's pretty damn hard to mold a heterosexual male to enjoy sucking cock and getting fucked in the ass.

I just don't believe kids are born wanting to take it up the ass either.

 

[cooks1]

I just don't believe kids are born wanting to take it up the ass either.

Most aren't. Only about 1 in every 11 or 12 are. Can you also just not believe it's 2:00 twice every single day?