Economy Joe Rogan not so hot on UBI anymore after buddy's restaurant venture struggles

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Kind of a weird take. He used to be for UBI, but then his friend had trouble hiring people for his restaurant since workers were receiving pandemic unemployment benefits and being more selective about employment, so now he's against it.

He was for it initially on the grounds that it would give people the freedom to pursue things they were passionate about. But then in a situation analogous to UBI (extended and boosted UI benefits), because he doesn't like how they choose to use their freedom (i.e. not working at a restaurant), he now switched his view.

The reason for his switch seems illogical given his initial view, since people are acting consistently with his own initial expectations. Maybe it's just as simple as he doesn't like it because his buddy is struggling, which is a very simplistic manner of evaluating something.

Additionally, I don't think the restaurant industry should be used as a yardstick to measure the success of a UBI-like measure. Its success depends on exploitation. If the economy were strong, restaurants would not be able to hire college-educated workers for pennies on the dollar as they do now. And if not for lax border policies, they wouldn't be able to exploit cheap immigrant labor. It seems like one of the foundations of the restaurant industry in the US is exploitation, without which it would collapse. Pretty shady overall.

Very strange and irrational take by Joe.

 

[Islam Imamate]

"We should have UBI so people can follow their passion"

"I agree, can't wait to quit this shitty server gig"

"Wait!"

 

[freakroor]

that video is 20 minutes long, i cant believe anyone would watch that. people must be really bored.

UBI is a great idea for now but it is unsustainable if the population keeps growing, given the earth’s limited resources. eventually the earth will have 20 billion humans on it and how are we gonna pay everyone?

 

[salamander]

A millionaire celebrity with changeable will is one of the rarest birds of paradise.

But seriously, I'd be more interested to know if he had any stocks tips than his thoughts on UBI.

 

[Islam Imamate]

A millionaire celebrity with changeable will is one of the rarest birds of paradise.

But seriously, I'd be more interested to know if he had any stocks tips than his thoughts on UBI.

Somehow I don't think Rogan got rich off of his knowledge of the stock market. I'm sure he could teach you how to pull off a Twister though and in a way that's way cooler.

 

[salamander]

Somehow I don't think Rogan got rich off of his knowledge of the stock market. I'm sure he could teach you how to pull off a Twister though and in a way that's way cooler.

I'd rather he's invite me to sample some of his stash tbh.

 

[Eusung]

I followed and liked Tulsi Gabbard and Yang during their presidential runs in 2019 - both of them being huge proponents of ubi, more so Yang.

Then covid hit and both of them latched onto it as a way to say "see we were right - if only we had UBI during this shut down while people can't work!" - the same way Bernie bros latched onto covid hysteria to do the same with regards to healthcare.

I ended up changing my mind that year from undecided but warming up to UBI to being against it.

 

[Bullitt68]

Wait, you're telling me that someone who isn't dogmatic/partisan and who is open to changing his mind and thinking through complicated issues based on new knowledge and experiences...might be altering his thinking on a topic?

 

[deadon]

This is still happening. Wife had four interviews and one showed up. No one wants to work.
The issue with wages is it drives up inflation and we all lose.
UBI won't work period.

 

[rob mafia]

i mean... duh?

SOMEONE'S gotta work. now ubi could be very low (like $1k/month), where if someone wants to be frugal, they can survive off it... but it would still give incentive to work/earn. i could be ok with that.

but when shit's full retard and people are paid more to sit at home and play video games than work, they're not going to work. and then shit's going to fall apart, because it's not sustainable. and money being printed basically just to pay people to do nothing is going to cause inflation, making it a spiral/vicious cycle.

kind of like... you know. 2020 to now.

i think rogan's an idiot, but even idiots can realize something didn't work/isn't working (pandemic unemployment) and realize ubi probably isn't going to work. at least, the way proponents of it want it to.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

i mean... duh?

SOMEONE'S gotta work. now ubi could be very low (like $1k/month), where if someone wants to be frugal, they can survive off it... but it would still give incentive to work/earn. i could be ok with that.

but when shit's full retard and people are paid more to sit at home and play video games than work, they're not going to work. and then shit's going to fall apart, because it's not sustainable. and money being printed basically just to pay people to do nothing is going to cause inflation, making it a spiral/vicious cycle.

kind of like... you know. 2020 to now.

i think rogan's an idiot, but even idiots can realize something didn't work/isn't working (pandemic unemployment) and realize ubi probably isn't going to work. at least, the way proponents of it want it to.

We're talking about UBI though... how is what happened during COVID an argument against UBI? What evidence did this COVID era provide that UBI 'isn't going to work'?

 

[deadon]

Do people not realize just like a woman going to work in the early days this made prices go up. Why? Because everyone knew families had two incomes.
Now pay everyone 1k a month and guess what will happen? Just like the higher wages that people are getting now. It's caused businesses to raise prices because they have to pay more money.
We've had these conversations before and for some reason there's people that think if they make min wage 20hr I'll have more money. Where do they get these ideas without thinking about the price of everything going up? The employer isn't just going to eat the extra cost. This isn't rocket science.

 

[sherdogwantedtonamemekiki]

And people think Joe Rogan is someone of moral standards.

 

[rob mafia]

We're talking about UBI though... how is what happened during COVID an argument against UBI? What evidence did this COVID era provide that UBI 'isn't going to work'?

are you fucking serious? OP mentioned it (you're OP. wtf) and i even explicitly mentioned "pandemic unemployment" and "when shit's full retard and people are paid more to sit at home and play video games than work, they're not going to work."

ffs, i even put pandemic unemployment "and realize ubi probably isn't going to work" in the same sentence.

HURR DURR

But then in a situation analogous to UBI (extended and boosted UI benefits),

did you forget to log off/on to your other account or something?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Wait, you're telling me that someone who isn't dogmatic/partisan and who is open to changing his mind and thinking through complicated issues based on new knowledge and experiences...might be altering his thinking on a topic?

The problem isn't that he changed his thinking, its that his logic for doing so is questionable.

 

[Islam Imamate]

We're talking about UBI though... how is what happened during COVID an argument against UBI? What evidence did this COVID era provide that UBI 'isn't going to work'?

It doesn't really make sense but Rogan just spitballs ideas out there. I really like the guy but yeah, I take his political opinions with a grain of salt to say the least.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

are you fucking serious? OP mentioned it (you're OP. wtf) and i even explicitly mentioned "pandemic unemployment" and "when shit's full retard and people are paid more to sit at home and play video games than work, they're not going to work."

ffs, i even put pandemic unemployment "and realize ubi probably isn't going to work" in the same sentence.

HURR DURR





did you forget to log off/on to your other account or something?

lol... don't even know what to say.

UBI is universal, without condition.

Unemployment is only paid out if you're unemployed. There's a clear disincentive to go back to work, because if you do you lose your benefits.

So again, since they're not the same thing, I don't see how pandemic UI benefits tell us that much about society under UBI. You even allude to this in your own post, since UBI stacks on top of regular income, there isn't as clear of a disincentive to work.

try not to be so block-headed.

 

[sherdogwantedtonamemekiki]

Wait, you're telling me that someone who isn't dogmatic/partisan and who is open to changing his mind and thinking through complicated issues based on new knowledge and experiences...might be altering his thinking on a topic?

And yet he still loves lecturing about the positives of hallucinogenic drugs, weed, and his deprivation chamber. Am I doing it right?

 

[Bullitt68]

The problem isn't that eh changed his thinking, its that his logic for doing so is questionable.

What's wrong with his logic? It seems that he hadn't considered all the variables initially, and now, confronted with new variables, he's reconsidering his position. Is not this activity - the activity of critical thinking, of constantly reevaluating one's beliefs and the reasons for them - what we should be looking for, particularly from public figures?

And yet he still loves lecturing about the positives of hallucinogenic drugs, weed, and his deprivation chamber. Am I doing it right?

I don't know if you're "doing it right" because I don't know what you think it is that you're doing. Going by tone, though, I'm going to venture a guess and say: No, you're not doing it right.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What's wrong with his logic? It seems that he hadn't considered all the variables initially, and now, confronted with new variables, he's reconsidering his position. Is not this activity - the activity of critical thinking, of constantly reevaluating one's beliefs and the reasons for them - what we should be looking for, particularly from public figures?

He's judging the effects of UBI based on the expanded unemployment benefits for one when those aren't the same thing. The expanded UI benefits go away if you start working so there's a clear incentive in place there that isn't with UBI.

Second, he initially supported UBI because he wants people to be able to follow their passion but changes his mind when he sees people don't want to work shitty restaurant gigs for an establishment that'll probably go under anyway. So did he really care about allowing people to follow his passion if he thinks their working shitty service gigs is more important?