Television HOUSE OF THE DRAGON (Renewed for Season 2, post #571)

[shunyata]

Very 1st episode of GoT was great though.

"The things I do for love."

 

[Thrawn33]

That was Hardhome for me.

The Red Wedding/Rains of Castemere

Even knowing what was coming because of the books I was hyped as fuck..

 

[Iron Mang]

The Stepstones are a chain of islands in the Narrow Sea, between Westeros and Essos, so on the other side of the continent from the Iron Islands.

The Triarchy is an alliance between three of the Free Cities, as mentioned in the episode.

And rewatch the Great Council scene, you will notice that Harrenhal is already in ruins. Its destruction happened during Aegon’s Conquest.

Thanks! Which book is this show on? I need to go back and do some reading, it has been a very long time for me, as you can tell by my horrible memory.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

lol why is some random Targeryan black? Arent they all inbred?

Divirsity hire.
Hes not a Targaryen but has Valyrian blood. Someone made a family tree post ITT showing that hes technically Jon Snows ancestor

 

[shunyata]

Thanks! Which book is this show on? I need to go back and do some reading, it has been a very long time for me, as you can tell by my horrible memory.

It's based on the massive Targaryen civil war that killed most of the dragons and dragon riders. They refer to the historical event in the main series of books as "the dance of the dragons" (not to be confused with the novel of the same name).

GRRM's later books, Fire and Blood, and The World of Ice and Fire go into more depth on the history of the conflict and the aftermath.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Thanks! Which book is this show on? I need to go back and do some reading, it has been a very long time for me, as you can tell by my horrible memory.

Fire and Blood is the book it is based on. It doesnt read like a novel though. The show will be more accurate in the events that transpire and will be more canon than the book itself.

The book uses 3 fictional historians trying to piece together the events that transpire as a framing device. They dont know exactly what happened and have their own accounts of the truth

 

[Vergilius]

Loved it! For the first ten minutes, it felt derivative and all I could see were copies of old conflicts and characters from the previous show, but then the phenomenal casting clicked for me and I started to see the characters and their tangled relationships with fresh eyes and honestly the whole thing passed by in a breathless minute.

The king and his brother are both played by great actors, the princess and her best friend are a very nice counterpoint to them - and you foresee how they will also turn against each other if the king gets the friend with child (which I think he will). The tournament, the boobs, the dragons - it felt like Game of Thrones in its prime and I look forward to a feeling that sense of excitement on Monday mornings again.

Haven't read the books this is based on, but know that a lot of ideas come from the battles of the house of York and Lancaster which is such a rich and exciting chapter of English history. It's only the first episode, but high hopes indeed! Feels like such a balm to be reminded how good TV can be after wasting time on all those mediocre Disney+ shows.

 

[shunyata]

Fire and Blood is the book it is based on. It doesnt read like a novel though. The show will be more accurate in the events that transpire and will be more canon than the book itself.

The book uses 3 fictional historians trying to piece together the events that transpire as a framing device. They dont know exactly what happened and have their own accounts of the truth

Yeah, the sauce material is written by Maesters in world way after the fact so the narration is not super reliable. Kind of like real historians debating stuff or having different interpretations of sources and events.



Gonna have to reread it myself, I was mixing up Daemon Targ and Daemon Blackfyre in my head while watching the pilot.

 

[Osculater]

lol why is some random Targeryan black? Arent they all inbred?

Affirmative action Westeros

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Yeah, the sauce material is written by Maesters in world way after the fact so the narration is not super reliable. Kind of like real historians debating stuff or having different interpretations of sources and events.

Since GRRM is consulting the show, and it is meant to be the accurate telling of what happened. The show is likely more canonical than the Maesters' exrapolation of the events that took place

 

[shunyata]

Since GRRM is consulting the show, and it is meant to be the accurate telling of what happened. The show is likely more canonical than the Maesters' exrapolation of the events that took place

Perfect.

I'm already feeling the hype with Daemon on his dragon at the end of the pilot.

Shit is gonna get crazy.

 

[Spounman]

Once I got over the ridiculous hair, I liked it I'm all in

 

[JadeOwl]

Lies written by jealous cuck historians

I suppose they invented the bit about him legitimizing all the Great

lol why is some random Targeryan black? Arent they all inbred?

That’s Corlys Velaryon. Not a Targaryen.

 

[JadeOwl]

Haven't read the books this is based on, but know that a lot of ideas come from the battles of the house of York and Lancaster which is such a rich and exciting chapter of English history. It's only the first episode, but high hopes indeed! Feels like such a balm to be reminded how good TV can be after wasting time on all those mediocre Disney+ shows.

The part of Westerosi history this show covers is based on an earlier civil war in English history. I won’t mention which one specifically because the parallel is close enough to spoil the show to anyone knowledgeable of English history.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

The part of Westerosi history this show covers is based on an earlier civil war in English history. I won’t mention which one specifically because the parallel is close enough to spoil the show to anyone knowledgeable of English history.

Is it the American revolution

 

[ralphc1]

The Stepstones are a chain of islands in the Narrow Sea, between Westeros and Essos, so on the other side of the continent from the Iron Islands.

The Triarchy is an alliance between three of the Free Cities, as mentioned in the episode.

And rewatch the Great Council scene, you will notice that Harrenhal is already in ruins. Its destruction happened during Aegon’s Conquest.

A couple of things bothered me about the scene in Harrenhal. Why was the king there instead of in King's Landing on the Iron Throne? Why hadn't Harrenhal been repaired, especially if the King was residing there?

 

[JadeOwl]

A couple of things bothered me about the scene in Harrenhal. Why was the king there instead of in King's Landing on the Iron Throne? Why hadn't Harrenhal been repaired, especially if the King was residing there?

The Great Council of 101 AC was held in Harrenhal because it was the only castle in Westeros big enough to accommodate every single lord in the realm and their retinues. Even the Red Keep in King’s Landing was not large enough.

So the court relocated to Harrenhal only during the duration of the Great Council, during which Harrenhal became one of the largest cities in Westeros overnight.

As to why Harrenhal was never completely repaired, even unto the time of the main series, its because nobody has that kind of money. Building it took the entire resources of the Riverlands and the Iron Islands for 40 years and the death of thousands upon thousands as forced labor.

 

[shunyata]

Wondering how far into the plot they'll go in season 1.

And who will play Mushroom?

 

[ralphc1]

Fire and Blood is the book it is based on. It doesnt read like a novel though. The show will be more accurate in the events that transpire and will be more canon than the book itself.

The book uses 3 fictional historians trying to piece together the events that transpire as a framing device. They dont know exactly what happened and have their own accounts of the truth

It's a very common theme in any event because nobody really knows every part of what happens.

I wasn't going to watch House of the Dragon but I finally did and just finished it about 30 minutes ago.

There were times that I couldn't understand what was being said because of background noise, like at the tournament and in the brothel.

My first impression of Daemon is that he is pretty much pure evil just like my first impression of Jaime Lannister. Tripping the horse is purely a dick move. I thought that the guy with the mace should have killed him and will later regret that decision.

After the show, they mentioned the decision that the King had to make. Was there really any decision? Either way, his wife dies. The only choice was whether or not to try to save the baby. Maybe they could have just drugged her enough to kill them both for a less painful death but the death of the mother was always going to happen.

 

[Zazen]

Some of you guys are way too hung up on the fact that a black guy exists. At least the actor seems to be doing a good job in the role. Focus on the positive. At least he isn’t horrible like that actress in Obi-wan