Elections Sweden Election 2022 - A brighter future

[TryggeTryggvar]

Sad to see sweede, aka theblobs, second sherdog crusade for the fate of his country come to another bitter end. Ima pour one out for ma homie!

Third time is the charm

 

[Sano]

But my argument has never been about crime. Crime is a byproduct of dissimilar cultures clashing.

My problem is, as should yours, is bringing in and promoting a dogmatic and illiberal culture into Europe. Terror attacks, crime and grooming gangs in the case of the UK are symptoms of a much bigger issue. Islam, quite frankly, sucks. Welcome it at your own risk.

You're the one being dogmatic. You can do that and ignore what's being said, but as I said, I don't care to go along.

 

[Wadtucket]

Sad to see sweede, aka theblobs, second sherdog crusade for the fate of his country come to another bitter end. Ima pour one out for ma homie!

Third time is the charm

Another wh*te supremacist bites the dust

The guy was calling for genocide of muslims. "oNLy tHe baD KiNd", as if Sunni (real) muslims are inherently bad people #smh

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Another wh*te supremacist bites the dust

The guy was calling for genocide of muslims. "oNLy tHe baD KiNd", as if Sunni (real) muslims are inherently bad people #smh

I spit my food out when i read real muslims

Well played.

 

[Bald1]

You're the one being dogmatic. You can do that and ignore what's being said, but as I said, I don't care to go along.

Dogma doesn't mean what you think it means obviously.

Of course you don't want to have that particular conversation. Nobody who has their heads in the sand or favour Islam does. Uncomfortable truths are hard to face so it's easier to ignore them. You'll come around.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No, not your point exactly. You ignored what I said, including the trends and data. I can't speak to the happenings in France, but I can speak to something closer to home. We can agree that fundamentalism is dangerous, but we're talking about integration happening right now and appealing to the histories of religion without context is irrelevent. You mention Turks in Germany, yet Iraqis, Syrians and Afghans in Germany are underrepresented in the crime stats despite being mostly muslim. This would seem to suggest that you are not really interested in parsing out the realities, but rather more interested in driving home an ideological win.

I don't really care to jump into that topic though, I'm more interested in what I was talking about with muslim integration in Denmark. It's easy to feel like you've won an argument if you argue with yourself, so either address the points of the post you replied to or don't bother.

So are Arabs in the UK and even sweede admitted than Iranian immigrants don't cause any problems. Not to mention there are non-Muslim immigrant groups that create their own parallel societies like Italians from Sicily in the US.

None of that matters though, he'll just move the goalposts. For instance, he once said that part of his problem with Muslims is that they have what he sees as barbaric marriage practices which encourage members to marry within the group. If you point out that this also applies to Jews and Hindus he just moves the goalposts to some other complaint about Muslims.

Dogma doesn't mean what you think it means obviously.

Of course you don't want to have that particular conversation. Nobody who has their heads in the sand or favour Islam does. Uncomfortable truths are hard to face so it's easier to ignore them. You'll come around.

You're the one ignoring the facts that he's pointing to. In fairness at least you're honestly admitting that you don't really care about things like crime and that its really fundamentally about a distaste for Muslims and their presence in Europe.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Another wh*te supremacist bites the dust

The guy was calling for genocide of muslims. "oNLy tHe baD KiNd", as if Sunni (real) muslims are inherently bad people #smh

 

[SandisLL]

So are Arabs in the UK and even sweede admitted than Iranian immigrants don't cause any problems. Not to mention there are non-Muslim immigrant groups that create their own parallel societies like Italians from Sicily in the US.

None of that matters though, he'll just move the goalposts. For instance, he once said that part of his problem with Muslims is that they have what he sees as barbaric marriage practices which encourage members to marry within the group. If you point out that this also applies to Jews and Hindus he just moves the goalposts to some other complaint about Muslims.

You're the one ignoring the facts that he's pointing to. In fairness at least you're honestly admitting that you don't really care about things like crime and that its really fundamentally about a distaste for Muslims and their presence in Europe.

Italians from Sicilia IMHO were problem in 1880-1960 ies...

Now I can't tell.
We have some corsicans in area, yet didn't had problems with them....

 

[Bald1]

So are Arabs in the UK and even sweede admitted than Iranian immigrants don't cause any problems. Not to mention there are non-Muslim immigrant groups that create their own parallel societies like Italians from Sicily in the US.

None of that matters though, he'll just move the goalposts. For instance, he once said that part of his problem with Muslims is that they have what he sees as barbaric marriage practices which encourage members to marry within the group. If you point out that this also applies to Jews and Hindus he just moves the goalposts to some other complaint about Muslims.

You're the one ignoring the facts that he's pointing to. In fairness at least you're honestly admitting that you don't really care about things like crime and that its really fundamentally about a distaste for Muslims and their presence in Europe.

Once again, go fuck yourself and your dishonesty.

Ideology isn't identity and islam is a fundamentally illiberal and backwards ideology. Conflating communism with communists, Islam with Muslims and the like is for chumps and dishonest people. Quit being so transparently dishonest if you want to communicate with me.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Italians from Sicilia IMHO were problem in 1880-1960 ies...

Now I can't tell.
We have some corsicans in area, yet didn't had problems with them....

I don't follow crime families that deeply but from what I know the Italian mob was a big problem even deep into the 90s and remains a significant criminal element in the Northeastern US. Had their hands deep into labor unions and the construction industry in particular, there was a time when any construction job with a valuation of $2 million or more was monopolized by mob affiliated firms.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Once again, go fuck yourself and your dishonesty.

Ideology isn't identity and islam is a fundamentally illiberal and backwards ideology. Conflating... Islam with Muslims and the like is for chumps and dishonest people. Quit being so transparently dishonest if you want to communicate with me.

Good thing I didn't do that and just went off the plain meaning of your own words

My point exactly. I'm betting eastern Euros will seamlessly integrate by the 3rd generation as is the case all over the new world. And demonstrably not the case in Europe by most Muslim groups. Turks in Germany, Pakistanis in England and MENA folks in France have been a parallel society for over 40 years now. "What do they all have in common you baldbastard?" Glad you ask. Islam.

Don't agree or like it? Well I don't much care, but history doesn't lie and once Islam plants it's flag that land very seldom returns to it's old norms. Central Europe and Spain being the only exceptions throughout the centuries.

 

[Bald1]

Good thing I didn't do that and just went off the plain meaning of your own words

Point being? If you can't separate ides from identity that's your deficiency, not mine.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Point being? If you can't separate ides from identity that's your deficiency, not mine.

We can all read where you specified "Muslim groups" which is obviously a reference to the people themselves, not their ideas in the abstract. Maybe you need to update your talking points software because it looks like its glitching right now.

 

[SandisLL]

I don't follow crime families that deeply but from what I know the Italian mob was a big problem even deep into the 90s and remains a significant criminal element in the Northeastern US. Had their hands deep into labor unions and the construction industry in particular, there was a time when any construction job with a valuation of $2 million or more was monopolized by mob affiliated firms.

They ofc are.
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The stuff why they gained real power was dumb thing with alco ban after WW1....
State treasury had lost xxxx m in possible income from tax. Underground economy peaked up and they get a lot of real money.
Ability to launder it etc...

Something to lesser extent happened in USSR when Andropov started to attempt limit alco usage.... it was nail in coffin for USSR cos boosted black market and corruption from impactful stuff till... heavens...

Corsican mob is different, it might be .

 

[Bald1]

We can all read where you specified "Muslim groups" which is obviously a reference to the people themselves, not their ideas in the abstract. Maybe you need to update your talking points software because it looks like its glitching right now.

Do you think anyone would care about what anyone believes in if people didn't try to force their beliefs on others? And many Muslims suffer from a tolerance deficiency. Puss Christ went unpunished but the last few years have seen Rushdie be killed, riots happen in Sweden, a teacher get decapitated and Charlie Hebdo shit up because many of your fellow Muslims are insecure twats. Is this the direction Europe is to head in?

But I'm sure none of that is ideologically driven. Or, more likely you're just throwing up smoke screens to cover for a belief system that's similar to what Europe took centuries to shed.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Do you think anyone would care about what anyone believes in if people didn't try to force their beliefs on others? And many Muslims suffer from a tolerance deficiency. Puss Christ went unpunished but the last few years have seen Rushdie be killed, riots happen in Sweden, a teacher get decapitated and Charlie Hebdo shit up because many of your fellow Muslims are insecure twats. Is this the direction Europe is to head in?

But I'm sure none of that is ideologically driven. Or, more likely you're just throwing up smoke screens to cover for a belief system that's similar to what Europe took centuries to shed.

Obviously terrorism is bad but you even admitted that's not really your core issue here and neither is crime, its just that you don't like Muslim groups and dislike that they have a presence in Europe.

And in a way you do have a problem with them even if they don't force their beliefs on others. More than once you've complained about your neighbors marrying their daughter off to a fellow Muslim but why is who she marries your business? And why is it wrong when Muslims do it but not Hindus and Jews?

On the flip side you support forcing secularist beliefs on others and especially Muslims such as what we see in France where armed state agents coerce Muslim women to remove their clothes. Somehow in these cases you're all for subordinating the personal beliefs of citizens to the whims of the state

 

[Sano]

So are Arabs in the UK and even sweede admitted than Iranian immigrants don't cause any problems. Not to mention there are non-Muslim immigrant groups that create their own parallel societies like Italians from Sicily in the US.

None of that matters though, he'll just move the goalposts. For instance, he once said that part of his problem with Muslims is that they have what he sees as barbaric marriage practices which encourage members to marry within the group. If you point out that this also applies to Jews and Hindus he just moves the goalposts to some other complaint about Muslims.

You're the one ignoring the facts that he's pointing to. In fairness at least you're honestly admitting that you don't really care about things like crime and that its really fundamentally about a distaste for Muslims and their presence in Europe.

On the one hand there is a discussion about the difficulties of integration and how to view a nuanced topic. On the other there is the proclamation that all muslims are corrosive and evil by nature. One of those deals with real life and the other is a fantasy bringing nothing to the table. That's the irony of it, that I'm the one being accused of sticking my head in the sand.

Do you think anyone would care about what anyone believes in if people didn't try to force their beliefs on others? And many Muslims suffer from a tolerance deficiency. Puss Christ went unpunished but the last few years have seen Rushdie be killed, riots happen in Sweden, a teacher get decapitated and Charlie Hebdo shit up because many of your fellow Muslims are insecure twats. Is this the direction Europe is to head in?

But I'm sure none of that is ideologically driven. Or, more likely you're just throwing up smoke screens to cover for a belief system that's similar to what Europe took centuries to shed.

Now you're just moving the goalpost again. He called you out for disparaging muslims as a group, which you did. The thing is, I agree with you that fundamentalism is bonkers. Religion can be a dangerous tool and both the Koran and Bible(s) should be thrown out in the trash if you ask me. I concede that there are positives as well, especially in regards to community and faith, however secularism and the enlightenment has for the most part improved society. That doesn't mean that the fundamentalist parts of Islam applies to all muslims, nor that people from MENAP countries are inherently bad. People shouldn't be discriminated against solely because of their religion.

 

[Halge]

Iranian immigrants don't cause any problems.

Iranian immigrants were, and are, a huge problem in Sweden.

Jämförelsevis små andelar misstänkta för brott finns bland personer som är födda i Tyskland (cirka 2,9 procent misstänkta), Finland (3,1 procent misstänkta) respektive Kina (3,1 procent misstänkta).
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Bland grupperna födda i Island, Indien samt Ungern är motsvarande andel mellan 4 och knappt 5 procent.
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Andelen misstänkta bland personer födda i Filippinerna, Thailand, Bosnien-Hercegovina, Rumänien, Pakistan och Vietnam ligger mellan cirka 5 och 7 procent.
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Motsvarande andelar bland grupperna födda i Polen, Jugoslavien, Ryssland, Turkiet, Etiopien och Chile är mellan cirka 8 och 9 procent.
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Andelen misstänkta bland grupperna födda i Iran, Colombia, Libanon, Syrien och Irak ligger mellan cirka 10 och 12 procent, och bland födda i Eritrea, Somalia och Afghanistan mellan 13 och 16 procent

You stick that in your google translate and smoke it.

https://bra.se/download/18.1f8c9903...r_med_inrikes_respektive_utrikes_bakgrund.pdf

Iranian immigrants being a success story is one of these recent media talking points that low-info media consumers internalize because they hear it repeated so often. The Swedish media/politics complex did the same with immigrants from the balkans a few years back (and I could write a novel on how much trouble they've caused us). And the Iranians are not yet even close to being as integrated as croats, bosnians, serbs et cetera.

You can also contrast them with the Indians and Chinese, who are much more recent immigrants. They cause no problems whatsoever, to the point that most Swedish residents don't even realize that the Chinese/Indian minority groups together now are about as large as the Iranian one.

 

[Bald1]

Obviously terrorism is bad but you even admitted that's not really your core issue here and neither is crime, its just that you don't like Muslim groups and dislike that they have a presence in Europe.

And in a way you do have a problem with them even if they don't force their beliefs on others. More than once you've complained about your neighbors marrying their daughter off to a fellow Muslim but why is who she marries your business? And why is it wrong when Muslims do it but not Hindus and Jews?

On the flip side you support forcing secularist beliefs on others and especially Muslims such as what we see in France where armed state agents coerce Muslim women to remove their clothes. Somehow in these cases you're all for subordinating the personal beliefs of citizens to the whims of the state

As usual I got less than one single sentence in before you either showed your stupidity or started lying.

As I said, terrorism and crime are symptoms of a bigger problem. Be honest or don't bother with trying to talk to me. Simple as that. But here's a clue as to how your accusations aren't even consistent with your own behavior: we've had many issues in the past yet you still like and support my posts in many cases. So, you think some of my ideas are fucked up yet at the same time be supportive of me? According to you ideas and identity being equal that's not a possibility. So which is it?

 

[Sano]

Iranian immigrants were, and are, a huge problem in Sweden.



You stick that in your google translate and smoke it.

https://bra.se/download/18.1f8c9903...r_med_inrikes_respektive_utrikes_bakgrund.pdf

Iranian immigrants being a success story is one of these recent media talking points that low-info media consumers internalize because they hear it repeated so often. The Swedish media/politics compex did the same with immigrants from the balkans a few years back (and I could write a novel on how much trouble they've caused us). And the Iranians are not yet even close to being as integrated as croats, bosnians, serbs et cetera.

You can also contrast them with the Indians and Chinese, who are much more recent immigrants. They cause no problems whatsoever, to the point that most Swedish residents don't even realize that the Chinese/Indian minority groups together now are about as large as the Iranian one.

So is the issue crime, or is it not crime? According to the qoute you posted, which mentions suspects not convictions, Polish and Russians are on par with Iranians (within one or two percentage points) and Pakistanis who were lamented about earlier are lower than both. Is it crime in a relative rate or total not accounted for population? We know that certain groups are overrepresented in the crime stats already, so where is your commentary on Eastern Europeans?