Did Pereira expose Adesanya and destroy his legacy?

[kkthx]

Izzy proved again that he is a warrior, a world class fighter and is a problem for anyone in the cage. Even though he lost, he had a great game plan and was even ahead in the cards going into the 5th. EVERYBODY loses in this sport, except those who run away like dogs in their primes. You can tell izzy loves fighting and there's no quit in that man.

But Pereira is so fucking impressive man. Even though he had much less MMA experience, he kept the fight close at all times, and while being in the 5th round for the first time in MMA, and even though he was down, he had this insane second wind and pulled off an incredible TKO. There was no fluke, no bullshit, just pure heart, will and technique. What a killer.

Maybe I'm crazy, but nowadays it's kinda rare to see fighters who won't just give up on the 5th when they are down on the cards. They rather lose by decision than risk being KOd.

 

[Kwic]

No.
I actually gained a ton of respect for Izzy that he took this fight so willingly and also that he was doing great work against a dangerous dude for 4 rounds, almost finished him in there, until he wasn't
Good fight.

 

[Ian]

terrible example because yes it did, nobody is talking about rich franklin anymore
people are still talking about anderson

Plenty of people still remember Franklin’s incredible career. It’s shitty fair weather fans like you they forget about fighters after they lose.

 

[Bradillac]

Yes. Wow.

The man just had one of his best fights, showed himself to MOST viewers to be the superior striker, but got hurt by his very capable opponent and was unable to move and got KO'd.

He was winning 3 out of the 4 rounds and, if his leg was whole, would most likely have won the 4th. The takeaway - he's exposed, not in the convo about best strikers, etc., etc..

I don't know what fight some of these guys were watching. Alex was the more effective striker in that he hurt Izzy enough to win. But superior? Better? As in winning most of the exchanges??

Silly.

He got outsruck and KOd... Who in their right mind thinks Izzy is the better striker? The most success Izzy had in that fight was on the ground after Alex made a mistake when he hurt Izzy to the body. He constantly had Izzy backed up against the fence and won every clinch exchange.

 

[Bradillac]

Alex already beat him twice in kickboxing where it's neutral ground and now in MMA where it most favors Izzy.

Let's do it in boxing next where it favors Alex. Will be a quick night when Izzy can't use all his hugging to tire Alex out.

I actually think this fight showed that MMA favors Alex. The smaller gloves give Izzy zero room for error and we saw that he isn't able to take Alex down. But yea, Izzy wouldn't stand a chance in a boxing match lol.

I think a kickboxing match is still Izzy's best chance at beating Alex.

 

[NEETzschean]

Just stop. I already am aware you are braindead. I know this already. You have proven it when you confused height and reach with pound for pound, which is all about weight.

Look at what your regarded ass is saying here. He only does good va short and stocky midgets?

The two guys who arguably did best vs him (bar this weekend) are Rob and Kelvin. So how do you type this garbage with out a single fact check with reality? How are you this stupid?

And your generalization on tall and rangy champs being more dominant. Again you are clueless and your brain fails to reference check anything fact based. We just saw Volk destroy max. Khabib and Islam are stocky. Double champ DC short and stocky. CCC what's he? GSP...

And at the same time izzy, Jones, Max, Anderson.

So maybe.... it comes down to how each individual uses their physical gifts. Ie comes down to skills.

But objectively thinking about it like that is something you are obviously incapable of.

Serious question - do you actually have a mental handicap?

"The two guys who arguably did best vs him (bar this weekend) are Rob and Kelvin."

Vettori 1 too. But if you fight a load of midgets then some will do better than others. It's like saying that Anthony Joshua has problems with short heavies. Not much evidence for that because barring ancient inactive Wlad (who took him life and death) all of AJ's notable opponents were short!

When Izzy comes up against opponents who aren't giving away 3+ inches of height/reach and often as much as 7/8/9 in reach, he loses. He is clearly not as skilful as his fanboys would have us believe and will subsequently be relegated P4P, as he should be.

Aside from getting beaten by a paper champ at LHW and being dethroned by an elite striker with equal height and reach, Izzy has long been protected by the lack of elite wrestlers in his weight class, who could have exploited his lanky frame to some degree.

Cherrypicking a few names to suit your argument proves nothing. It's shown in the book "Fightnomics" that UFC champions have always tended to be longer than the division average.

"do you actually have a mental handicap?"

You should ask your syphilitic whore of a mother that question.

 

[P4p Islam]

This forum is fucking retarded sometimes.

Gotta love the sherdog post-fight overreactions

 

[stacrafty]

"The two guys who arguably did best vs him (bar this weekend) are Rob and Kelvin."

Vettori 1 too. But if you fight a load of midgets then some will do better than others. It's like saying that Anthony Joshua has problems with short heavies. Not much evidence for that because barring ancient inactive Wlad (who took him life and death) all of AJ's notable opponents were short!

When Izzy comes up against opponents who aren't giving away 3+ inches of height/reach and often as much as 7/8/9 in reach, he loses. He is clearly not as skilful as his fanboys would have us believe and will subsequently be relegated P4P, as he should be.

Aside from getting beaten by a paper champ at LHW and being dethroned by an elite striker with equal height and reach, Izzy has long been protected by the lack of elite wrestlers in his weight class, who could have exploited his lanky frame to some degree.

Cherrypicking a few names to suit your argument proves nothing. It's shown in the book "Fightnomics" that UFC champions have always tended to be longer than the division average.

"do you actually have a mental handicap?"

You should ask your syphilitic whore of a mother that question.

God you are stupid. You keep proving it.
I do admire your persistent ability to spew out garbage with zero reconciliation to reality though.

I'll bite on your latest dribblings. Tell me who these elite wrestlers are in MW who Izzy has been shielded from? Given he's fought the whole top 5, 2 of them twice.

Just so you're aware... the narrative of "just get him in there with a wrestler" is 3 years old now.

And my "cherry picking"? I cherry picked both short and stocky guys, and lanky guys. You're the one who said it's all about the height and reach for champs. This is simply not the case.

Also.... tell me again what pound for pound means? Does it mean being tall and having long reach?

 

[DestinedAussie]

Usman-Edwards is a different situation (though obviously still damaging). I lay out my case why this was so bad for Izzy in my starting post.

Izzy was fatigued because Alex was walking him down and landing powerful strikes, frequently to the body. Izzy was competitive until Alex stepped on the gas in the 5th. Next time Izzy will likely be more anxious, which reduces punch resistance and drains the gas tank faster. It wasn't a one-punch KO either, you can't point to any particular strike that had to land for Pereira to win.

Yeah I disagree and laid out why in my posts. Clearly we just see it very differently.

 

[blurple]

They are both great fighters, Pereira just knows how to get the best of Izzy.

Too many dramatic weirdos in here that deal in absolutes, or hold the idea that if you aren't invincible you aint shit.

 

[ValentinG]

Adesanya needs to win 4 times against this guy to have an edge over him. Never gonna happen. It will consume him for the rest of his life, just like with how Khabib lives rent free in Conor's head

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I still think Izzy can beat Pereira with the right gameplan, Izzy seemed to be able to control him well on the ground

 

[Stagliano]

Izzy wasn't exposed but Alex re affirmed everyone's suspicion, that izzy just like Jon jones is a fighter who takes advantage of his genes, and wins fights mostly based on bullying much smaller fighters.


In a more even fight he looks less than regular and has lost 2 times to Jan and now Alex.


Izzy is overhyped, especially as the greatest striker of all time, but he is good at what he does which is hit and run, sticking and moving. A real world class striker creates the holes and exploits them, not just runs circles and waits to counter though imo.

The few fights perreira has had in the ufc already qualify him as a better striker than izzy imo.

Lol at Izzy bullying smaller fighters. Taller doesn't mean bigger.

 

[NEETzschean]

God you are stupid. You keep proving it.
I do admire your persistent ability to spew out garbage with zero reconciliation to reality though.

I'll bite on your latest dribblings. Tell me who these elite wrestlers are in MW who Izzy has been shielded from? Given he's fought the whole top 5, 2 of them twice.

Just so you're aware... the narrative of "just get him in there with a wrestler" is 3 years old now.

And my "cherry picking"? I cherry picked both short and stocky guys, and lanky guys. You're the one who said it's all about the height and reach for champs. This is simply not the case.

Also.... tell me again what pound for pound means? Does it mean being tall and having long reach?

"Izzy has long been protected by the lack of elite wrestlers in his weight class"

Keep reading this quote until you understand it.

"You're the one who said it's all about the height and reach for champs."

False, I said that they've always tended to be longer than the division average, not "it's all about height and reach". It's generally an advantage to have range on your opponents, especially if there are no elite wrestlers around.

"Also.... tell me again what pound for pound means?"

Among other things, it means not losing to every guy you come up against with comparable length. Izzy has been exposed as a midget bully.

 

[Saye_mc]

Nah, that's foolishness, dude was a long reigning champ. A loss doesn't erase that

 

[stacrafty]

"Izzy has long been protected by the lack of elite wrestlers in his weight class"

Keep reading this quote until you understand it.

"You're the one who said it's all about the height and reach for champs."

False, I said that they've always tended to be longer than the division average, not "it's all about height and reach". It's generally an advantage to have range on your opponents, especially if there are no elite wrestlers around.

"Also.... tell me again what pound for pound means?"

Among other things, it means not losing to every guy you come up against with comparable length. Izzy has been exposed as a midget bully.

I'm just baiting you dude.

You're obviously mentally challenged. You keep going back to midget bully etc and forgetting its Kelvin and Rob who gave izzy a challenge.

Your confusing height and reach with pound for pound was pretty funny too. The fact is izzy is smaller than most of the division. He cuts the least weight of anyone. It's just confusing to you (being the retard you are) that he's also lanky. So your brain goes derp derp he must be bigger.

He uses his height and reach masterfully, and over the 4 years he's been in the UFC has diligently worked on his wrestling.

 

[NEETzschean]

I'm just baiting you dude.

You're obviously mentally challenged. You keep going back to midget bully etc and forgetting its Kelvin and Rob who gave izzy a challenge.

Your confusing height and reach with pound for pound was pretty funny too. The fact is izzy is smaller than most of the division. He cuts the least weight of anyone. It's just confusing to you (being the retard you are) that he's also lanky. So your brain goes derp derp he must be bigger.

He uses his height and reach masterfully, and over the 4 years he's been in the UFC has diligently worked on his wrestling.

He beat all of the midgets but a few gave him a challenge yes. When he fought guys with similar length he started losing.

Your view is that height/reach doesn't matter because there are shorter champs and taller champs. You apparently don't think it's significant that Izzy can't beat guys with his height/reach stats but beats all of the midgets.

He doesn't use his height and reach "masterfully" against guys with similar height and reach: he gets outstruck and/or KO'd. His wrestling defence would be exposed if there was an elite MW wrestler, which there hasn't been for the entirety of his reign.

So he's been overrated and will rightly be relegated. Hopefully we see a quadrilogy next.

 

[old school 2]

Champ in the fact as long as they was fighting smaller ppl. That was my comparison.. Yes Conor did go up twice how he made weight to fight Aldo was amazing he was practically dead, but thats besides the point.. Point was Once Conor started fighting ppl his size he couldn't win.

Wrong again, he was most successful at 145 like Izzy was at 185 but Conor at 5’8 belongs at 145. 155 champs are generally 5’10 and Conor won anyway. WW are 6’0 and Conor won 2 out of 3 matches there. Conor is the only UFC fighter to score KO’s in FW, LW and WW.

 

[par6597]

Plenty of people still remember Franklin’s incredible career. It’s shitty fair weather fans like you they forget about fighters after they lose.

I never was a rich franklin fan so weird to call me a fair weather fan of him

like I said when people talk about rich it is usually about what anderson did to him and not what he did before that, it is what it is

 

[clackers]

Pffft Adesanya exposed Pereira. His striking and cardio is nowhere near Adesanya's level, and his grappling defense is nonexistant. Adesanya even showed the limits of his chin, nearly finishing the fight in the first round. All Pereira has is his insane power. Anyone who can keep their hands up, level change, and wrestle to top position will take that belt right off of him.

Your joking right

Alex has had less than 5 MMA fights.

He showed us that a superior fighter and striker being Alex will beat and finish Adesanya.

Saying all Pereira has is insane power is a joke, Pereira was clearly conserving energy as he has not been done rounds in MMA before.

Pereira is an elite striker to have a look at the guys he has fought and beat.

You don’t get to this level with just power.

Adesanya was in fact getting tired amd at the end of it all Adesanya got ko d but the better fighter.

Remember this Pereira has had less than 5 MMA fights and just took the belt by ko ing Adesanya who everybody else could barely touch.