Opinion The War Room Bet Thread V7

Best bet(s) settled in the last bet thread (see closed bets section in post 3)

  • Bet 53 Quipling v. SATW

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bet 54 Fawlty v. oceanmachine

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  • Bet 59 MMAisGod v. oceanmachine

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bet 57 Trotsky v. heirapparent

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bet 58 Trotsky v. second sight

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bet 46 Andy Capp v. Richie Madano

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  • Total voters
    11
That's still predicting a 100% gain in a pretty short period. Assets do double quickly sometimes (generally because of new information), but if there were evidence suggesting such a move, I don't see why current value wouldn't reflect it. I think for any given stop date, $10K is just as likely as $30K.
The halving is going to be a big driver for. speculation in 2024. We know that Bitcoin is hyper unstable imo, it could shoot up or drop out on any given day. If Bitcoin can be sitting at +$27k at the end of this year it should see big gains in 2024.
 
The halving is going to be a big driver for. speculation in 2024. We know that Bitcoin is hyper unstable imo, it could shoot up or drop out on any given day. If Bitcoin can be sitting at +$27k at the end of this year it should see big gains in 2024.

Possibly. Conditional upon a stable (I say "stable" because it's so volatile, it's hard to rule out any big short-term move) 35% gain by the end of this year, big further gains (especially relative to current price) are likely. The thing is, if it's rising fast, it draws people in. So in that way, it's pretty different from an asset with underlying value.
 
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Possibly. Conditional upon a stable (I say "stable" because it's so volatile, it's hard to rule out any big short-term move) 35% gain by the end of this year, big further gains (especially relative to current price) are likely. The thing is, if it's rising fast, it draws people in. So in that way, it's pretty different from an asset with underlying value.
Right now $25k seems to be the point people are jumping out and taking the gains, then buying back in at sub $20k. I personally expect that trend to continue. Bag holders that bought in at +$30k are going to be screwed with the loses.
 
I look forward to collecting gentlemen.

“10k as likely as 30k”

<{MingNope}>
 
If Biden seeks reelection, I bet a loss to Desantis provided he makes it to the general.

If Biden doesn't end up seeking reelection, we adjust the bet to our top 2 choices and in turn the 4 outcomes

Does that make sense or am I drunk

You ever get a taker? I'll take this bet if you keep DeSantis and add Newsom for me and we keep it more streamlined?

You) If Biden runs again, and DeSantis wins the general, you win the bet if DeSantis wins the Presidency.

Me) If Biden doesn't run and Newsom wins the general, I win the bet if Newsom wins the Presidency against anyone.

Void) If some unnamed Dem vs DeSantis is the election it's void. If Biden vs some unnamed Rep it's void.

Take?
 
I look forward to collecting gentlemen.

“10k as likely as 30k”

<{MingNope}>

Since the bet is already in, why do you think the market is so inefficient? One of the things I have to think about a lot is under what conditions we should expect efficiency in markets, and how much of it we should expect. I'm not generally a fan of Yudkowsky (and I find a lot of his fans to be very creepy, as he is himself), but I think his book on the subject was very good. Here's a review of it:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/30/book-review-inadequate-equilibria/

The market economy is very good at what it does, which is something like “exploit money-making opportunities” or “pick low-hanging fruit in the domain of money-making”. If you see a $20 bill lying on the sidewalk, today is your lucky day. If you see a $20 bill lying on the sidewalk in Grand Central Station, and you remember having seen the same bill a week ago, something is wrong. Thousands of people cross Grand Central every week – there’s no way a thousand people would all pass up a free $20. Maybe it’s some kind of weird trick. Maybe you’re dreaming. But there’s no way that such a low-hanging piece of money-making fruit would go unpicked for that long.

In the same way, suppose your uncle buys a lot of Google stock, because he’s heard Google has cool self-driving cars that will be the next big thing. Can he expect to get rich? No – if Google stock was underpriced (ie you could easily get rich by buying Google stock), then everyone smart enough to notice would buy it. As everyone tried to buy it, the price would go up until it was no longer underpriced. Big Wall Street banks have people who are at least as smart as your uncle, and who will notice before he does whether stocks are underpriced. They also have enough money that if they see a money-making opportunity, they can keep buying until they’ve driven the price up to the right level. So for Google to remain underpriced when your uncle sees it, you have to assume everyone at every Wall Street hedge fund has just failed to notice this tremendous money-making opportunity – the same sort of implausible failure as a $20 staying on the floor of Grand Central for a week.
 
Since the bet is already in, why do you think the market is so inefficient? One of the things I have to think about a lot is under what conditions we should expect efficiency in markets, and how much of it we should expect. I'm not generally a fan of Yudkowsky (and I find a lot of his fans to be very creepy, as he is himself), but I think his book on the subject was very good. Here's a review of it:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/30/book-review-inadequate-equilibria/
Market being inefficient? Do you mean the BTC market?

BTC is basically coupled to the overall equity market right now. BTC is a long term hard commodity.

Jan 1-Feb 20
BTC: +51%
AMAZON: +11%
SPY: +4.4%
GOOG: +3.3%

Feb 20-Today
BTC: -16.3%
AMAZON: -3.6%
SPY: -3.2%
GOOG: -.93%

YTD:

BTC: +21%
AMAZON: +6.3%
SPY: -1.38%
GOOG: +1.61%

Im not sure why everyone is hating on BTC saying it’s “dying”. It’s beating basically everything out there.
 
If I presented the opportunity to hold one asset for Q1 none of you would have picked BTC and I would have beaten you all
 
From 2011-2021 it was literally the highest performing asset by leaps and bounds 8 of the 10 years. Overall it smashed every single asset over that decade by multiples and had a 2011-2021 annualized return of 230%.

I don’t anticipate the same massive returned every year, but I just find it odd in the face of all that information it still is so largely ignored and detested. I could have come to you all in 2015 and your argument against investing would be exactly the same as today.
 
Market being inefficient? Do you mean the BTC market?

Yes. What I mean by "efficient" in this sense is just that the price represents publicly available information. Meaning that future changes are unpredictable (as they rely on new information becoming available).

Im not sure why everyone is hating on BTC saying it’s “dying”. It’s beating basically everything out there.

FWIW, it wouldn't shock me if it died, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that the valuation suggested by the market is better than any than you or I can provide.
 
Yes. What I mean by "efficient" in this sense is just that the price represents publicly available information. Meaning that future changes are unpredictable (as they rely on new information becoming available).
I’d argue the cycle data for BTC is far more predictable than you’re giving it credit for. The halving cycles have BTC right on track for where it is supposed to be. You don’t think BTC isn’t following its historical trend? Sure the SBF event was a blackswan but otherwise it’s business as usual.
 
I’d argue the cycle data for BTC is far more predictable than you’re giving it credit for. The halving cycles have BTC right on track for where it is supposed to be. You don’t think BTC isn’t following its historical trend? Sure the SBF event was a blackswan but otherwise it’s business as usual.

You're making an argument for it being efficient, not for it being inefficient. If you're saying the price is predictable, the natural question is why the market isn't collectively predicting it accurately.
 
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You're making an argue for it being efficient, not for it being inefficient. If you're saying the price is predictable, the natural question is why the market isn't collectively predicting it accurately.
So efficient meaning that future changes are unpredictable (as they rely on new information becoming available).

I don’t agree though I would say it’s following historical trends and future changes are predictable. Of course any black swan can happen but that doesn’t make it overall a predictable asset.
 
So efficient meaning that future changes are unpredictable (as they rely on new information becoming available).

I don’t agree though I would say it’s following historical trends and future changes are predictable. Of course any black swan can happen but that doesn’t make it overall a predictable asset.

But again, if the changes are predictable, why haven't they been predicted? That is, if you think there is clear evidence that the price is going to double in X months, why haven't other investors already poured in and driven the price up to double, minus the time value? Your claim is that investors as a whole (weighted by the amount they are investing) are making a massive error but also that the answer to the problem (what is the true value of BTC based on publicly available info at the moment) is fairly easy. Doesn't add up.
 
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I’d argue the cycle data for BTC is far more predictable than you’re giving it credit for. The halving cycles have BTC right on track for where it is supposed to be. You don’t think BTC isn’t following its historical trend? Sure the SBF event was a blackswan but otherwise it’s business as usual.

It isn't a black swan. It is the defining feature of crypto. Institutional investors see it as a tool to do classic frauds that haven't been regulated away yet.
 
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