International China overtakes US in contributions to nature and science journals

[ShadowRun]

I think people make too big a deal of test scores. Pretty much all of Asia emphasize cramming and test scores. When I was living in the MidEast usually it was the Indian kids who got the highest scores. Doesn't really mean they are smarter than everyone else. They had a stereotype for being bookworms.

At the end of the day what really matters is innovation, invention and creativity. American kids don't study as much as Asian kids (kids in Asia), but I think the American educational system is better because it emphasizes exploration, creativity and free thinking.

There is something that China will never (not for the forseable future) beat the US at, and that is the softpower that comes with being the #1 nation for entertainement / music etc...

I lived in a few places in the Middle East, I never saw data about the Indian kids doing better over there ? They work the Indian men and Philippines like dogs though . You're right about test scores they don't hold a lot of weight but what good metrics are out there for the youth and there academia levels ?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

probably 99% of these fail the replication test.
not that it's unique to china, the world itself has a major problem with this.
basically science is bullshit a lot of times these days.

 

[MicroBrew]

I lived in a few places in the Middle East, I never saw data about the Indian kids doing better over there ? They work the Indian men and Philippines like dogs though . You're right about test scores they don't hold a lot of weight but what good metrics are out there for the youth and there academia levels ?

I attended grade school and part of high-school there. Attended a few different schools. Everyone knew who was getting the good grades. Lots of Indian living there are middle class and affluent, but as you say there are also lots of blue collar Indians who are exploited and abused.

 

[Damien Karras]

China commits a ton of academic fraud. I'd be extremely wary of hiring chinese students as part of my research team. They steal the data and send back home.

 

[fungi]

...while our proud scienticians propel us upward to new heights with breakthroughs in gender and race issues. I couldn't be more proud to be an American at this point. I feel sad for anyone who feels any other way.

 

[CrimsomSky]

Canada is infiltrated at

China commits a ton of academic fraud. I'd be extremely wary of hiring chinese students as part of my research team. They steal the data and send back home.

China commits a ton of academic fraud. I'd be extremely wary of hiring chinese students as part of my research team. They steal the data and send back home.

all levels by them. I remember a time when the rcmp didn’t hire Asians for a while.

 

[tastaylvr]

Most scientific contributions by Americans are mostly Asian too thou lol

The innovation cope is the funniest one to hear since most innovation has been done by asians for the last century..

 

[MeatheadMike]

I think China will be the world leader, as we watch America slowly decay before our eyes, and the values they once stood for erode away. The corruption, the tyrannical two-party system, it isn't going to last much longer. In the current state, America is too stubborn to allow the big changes which is needed to fix these issues. The two-party system hinders progress, as each side fight against each other. I think society will come crashing down at some point, either through a revolution of the people tired of current corrupt system, a financial collapse, or a war. The issues lie deeper as well, as any nation which rules by the principles of capitalism is destined to fail.

This makes no sense. America has a corrupt and tyrannical 2 party system, yet China's single party dictatorship is somehow less tyrannical and corrupt???

Also if any nation which rules by principles of capitalism is destined to fail, then that would also include China.... who's society includes the worst aspects of capitalism (child labor, poor working conditions, high inequality)... along with the worst aspects of communism (state owned industries and media, draconian laws, social credit system, lack of free speech etc).

 

[Yehudim]

HERE WE GO!

Two brave posters leading the way for the other flag wavers to totally derail the thread and talk about absolute nonsense - they can't be left to shoulder all the hard work alone, anyone else wanna start dunking on trannies instead of discussing the actual topic at hand?

LOL, how is talking about the decline of American education in a thread that is essentially about American education vs Chinese education?

Disagree all you want with their posts, but it is related to the topic at hand.

 

[Yehudim]

Most scientific contributions by Americans are mostly Asian too thou lol

The innovation cope is the funniest one to hear since most innovation has been done by asians for the last century..

And by last century you mean around 20 years of the 21st century

 

[aries]

China had 4.7 million STEM graduates in 2016, that will have gone up undoubtedly. And don't sleep on India, 2.6 million the same year and it's now overtaken China as the most populous nation on the planet. US a distant third at 568,000 STEMs. It's only going one of two ways, and it's not the US.

 

[Siver!]

LOL, how is talking about the decline of American education in a thread that is essentially about American education vs Chinese education?

Disagree all you want with their posts, but it is related to the topic at hand.

Wanking on for the millionth thread in a row about culture war gibberish?

Yeah, invaluable input.

 

[Tyler Durden]

The hard math and sciences departments in the US are flooded with Asian, specifically Chinese people, why are people surprised with this news? They literally have larger brains with more mass than everyone else = higher IQs

This has nothing to due with brains or education and everything to do with influence.

 

[Zazen]

How long is it going to take for this to be blamed on trans people?

 

[Blayt7hh]

HERE WE GO!

Two brave posters leading the way for the other flag wavers to totally derail the thread and talk about absolute nonsense - they can't be left to shoulder all the hard work alone, anyone else wanna start dunking on trannies instead of discussing the actual topic at hand?

This has to make up the majority of right wing posts these days. Doesn’t really matter what the topic is they all start circle jerk to trans hate. Probably while watching trans porn in another tab.

It’s not really a new thing though. They’ve always got some boogeyman that they childishly deflect too so they don’t have to try and learn about complex issues. BLM, “trained Marxist”, communism, socialism, CRT, etc… I’ve seen them all brought up in meandering rants that are off topic a ton of times on here.

 

[Cirris]

How much of this is China's growing academic influence, and how much is it with the western sociologists pushing DEI and "decolonizing" propaganda? Maybe a little of both.

I know a lot of Chinese students that come over to the US colleges try to avoid the humanities departments like it's the plague.

 

[MicroBrew]

How much of this is China's growing academic influence, and how much is it with the western sociologists pushing DEI and "decolonizing" propaganda? Maybe a little of both.

I know a lot of Chinese students that come over to the US colleges try to avoid the humanities departments like it's the plague.

All that liberal stuff and yet the West leads the way in technology. Who has come up with the best A.I. programs? Certainly not the based Saudis or Chinese. Infact the Chinese copied ChatGPT and then tried to pass it off as their own invention.

 

[skold]

How much of this is China's growing academic influence, and how much is it with the western sociologists pushing DEI and "decolonizing" propaganda? Maybe a little of both.

I know a lot of Chinese students that come over to the US colleges try to avoid the humanities departments like it's the plague.

Might have something to do with them picking subjects that don't require good English speaking ability and / or highest earning potential

 

[MicroBrew]

China had 4.7 million STEM graduates in 2016, that will have gone up undoubtedly. And don't sleep on India, 2.6 million the same year and it's now overtaken China as the most populous nation on the planet. US a distant third at 568,000 STEMs. It's only going one of two ways, and it's not the US.

Doesn't really matter how many graduates they have, what matters is whether they can innovate and invent to surpass the US. The Dutch are a tiny country with a fraction of the STEM graduates yet they are most responsible for making the most advanced semi-conductor manufacturing machines. Without whom Taiwan's TSMC wouldn't be a world leader.

Quality > Quantity. And in this context there is no evidence quantity has a quality all its own.

 

[aries]

Doesn't really matter how many graduates they have, what matters is whether they can innovate and invent to surpass the US. The Dutch are a tiny country with a fraction of the STEM graduates yet they are most responsible for making the most advanced semi-conductor manufacturing machines. Without whom Taiwan's TSMC wouldn't be a world leader.

Quality > Quantity. And in this context there is no evidence quantity has a quality all its own.

China are already ahead in one key field, quantum computing. I do a lot of work for a cambridge university professor he has a lot of post-grads come to work with him. They only take the absolute best. At least 30% are Chinese. China has both numbers and quality trust me.

The difference is when China decides to invest in something, it has the entire massive state behind it. In America it's more reliant on private companies albeit very powerful innovative ones like Google. It was Google's quantum computer that broke all the records in 2019. China surpassed it just 2 years later.