Going Vegan

Tuvatuva said:
Due to my ethical values and environmental concerns, I realized I can no longer buy animal products. I've been vegan for a several months now.

It's been easier than I thought in the sense I don't really miss meat or other animal products. I thought I would miss cheese the most, and so far It's been fine. It helps that I've been in countries with lots of Buddhists and Hindus who have had a long tradition of vegetarian/vegan cuisine.

I biggest concern was health and muscle loss. But so far I look at feel the same. I bench numbers haven't gone down. My bowel movements have a improved dramatically as I used to suffer from painful long shits. Whether that's due to the lack of meat or other factors, who knows. I also take b12 supplements as advised.

Maybe the hardest part is having to remember to check if things are vegan. Many places have put milk in my coffee or egg as I forget to ask.

I'm still new to this, and so far I feel fine, but I wonder if there are more experienced people out here who can shed more insight.
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Keep up the good work plaiboi and much success to you!
 
Kardashians said:
I’ve been vegetarian since my 11th birthday, and the past year have been moving toward veganism. I never really drank cow’s milk or ate eggs to begin with, but now I go out of my way to avoid them. It’s going well! My last hurdle is cheese. Right now my rule is to not bring it into the house, but I’ll eat it if I’m at my sister’s for supper.

I also take B12 supplements. As well as calcium, magnesium, and vitamin D. I find it helps perk me up.
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Keep up the good work and much success to you! May you know the glory of this vegan existence!
 
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KeepingItReal said:
I'm showing you the same level of evidence you have shown everyone else in this thread. We are on an even playing field here.

I will do you one better. Nearly 77% of agricultural land is used for livestock. This ranges from pasture land to food crops grown for them.

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets

You're welcome for me to do that one for you, the pleasure is all yours!
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Pasturing animals helps to improve soil quality. So if you want that land to produce healthy plant food for humans in the future you need ruminant animals to restore nutrients back to the ground. When the plants/grass grow back after being grazed on they typically grow back stronger due to the aeration of the soil and the natural fertilizer deposited by the animals. Fascinating stuff. The amount of carbon sequestered back to the soil from those plants is greater than the output from said animals so it actually becomes a carbon negative endeavor.
 
KeepingItReal said:
I'm showing you the same level of evidence you have shown everyone else in this thread. We are on an even playing field here.

I will do you one better. Nearly 77% of agricultural land is used for livestock. This ranges from pasture land to food crops grown for them.

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets

You're welcome for me to do that one for you, the pleasure is all yours!
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You've not really shown me much evidence. The 77% you refer too includes pasture land, lots of which isn't suitable for raising crops on.
 
wufabufa said:
Pasturing animals helps to improve soil quality. So if you want that land to produce healthy plant food for humans in the future you need ruminant animals to restore nutrients back to the ground. When the plants/grass grow back after being grazed on they typically grow back stronger due to the aeration of the soil and the natural fertilizer deposited by the animals. Fascinating stuff. The amount of carbon sequestered back to the soil from those plants is greater than the output from said animals so it actually becomes a carbon negative endeavor.
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Or you could just kill off all the animals and just use shit tons of chemical fertilizers......... Because your not going to fix the issue with crop rotation alone......
 
KeepingItReal said:
I'm showing you the same level of evidence you have shown everyone else in this thread. We are on an even playing field here.

I will do you one better. Nearly 77% of agricultural land is used for livestock. This ranges from pasture land to food crops grown for them.

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-land-by-global-diets

You're welcome for me to do that one for you, the pleasure is all yours!
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So, please show me how you feed the world on plants alone.......
 
William Huggins said:
You've not really shown me much evidence.
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That's funny because you have not shown any evidence for your assertions in this thread.

William Huggins said:
You've not really shown me much evidence. The 77% you refer too includes pasture land, lots of which isn't suitable for raising crops on.
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Neither was the land in Denmark(which was under water) which is currently one of the most fertile lands that crops are raised on. If there is a will and it is possible, people will makes it happen if they wish to.
 
wufabufa said:
Pasturing animals helps to improve soil quality. So if you want that land to produce healthy plant food for humans in the future you need ruminant animals to restore nutrients back to the ground. When the plants/grass grow back after being grazed on they typically grow back stronger due to the aeration of the soil and the natural fertilizer deposited by the animals. Fascinating stuff. The amount of carbon sequestered back to the soil from those plants is greater than the output from said animals so it actually becomes a carbon negative endeavor.
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That's wonderful that they do that, but then the question comes if pasture animals are so useful for making soil healthy, why kill them? If you are so grateful for the work they are performing surely they should be allowed to live out their natural life.
 
KeepingItReal said:
That's wonderful that they do that, but then the question comes if pasture animals are so useful for making soil healthy, why kill them? If you are so grateful for the work they are performing surely they should be allowed to live out their natural life.
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So you want the world to go vegan because you believe that we shouldn't kill animals?
 
William Huggins said:
But what about the insects, like your family n stuff. I love you too..........like the insects n stuff......
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The insects don't have such a complex neurological system so they don't feel the pain the animals feel n stuffs. How much you love the insects? Do you lovingly shoo away the mosquito when it bites you or do you do a death slap?!
 
If you are doing this for ethical reasons, good for you but I would research some of the non-food related products that you use as well. A good majority of products you will find a long history of both animal and human suffering/abuse involved in production and distribution. Might get to the point that you are living in the woods in a homemade hut.

If you are doing it for health reasons, I would rethink this decision.

Most importantly.... who is putting eggs in your coffee if you forget to ask not to?????

Tuvatuva said:
Many places have put milk in my coffee or egg as I forget to ask
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KeepingItReal said:
That's wonderful that they do that, but then the question comes if pasture animals are so useful for making soil healthy, why kill them? If you are so grateful for the work they are performing surely they should be allowed to live out their natural life.
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If it's a sustainable food source that offered superior nutrients while also revitalizing the soil then why wouldn't you? From a moral standpoint I get it, but do you lose sleep over all the wildlife killed in vein for your plant based food choices? I'd wager you don't. I can eat one grassfed cow or buffalo for hundreds of meals. One big death vs thousands of small ones.
 
KeepingItReal said:
The insects don't have such a complex neurological system so they don't feel the pain the animals feel n stuffs. How much you love the insects? Do you lovingly shoo away the mosquito when it bites you or do you do a death slap?!
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Insects are animals.
 
BigDeadFreak said:
I would never advise anyone to go vegan. I worked with a woman who became vegan and she just went to shit. Lost way too much weight, her hair was a greasy mess and she looked jaundiced. She also seemed massively depressed and lethargic.
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Not understanding nutritional needs may explain it.
 
Understanding and meeting nutritional needs is indeed crucial for anyone following a plant-based diet. When adopting a vegan lifestyle, it's important to ensure a well-rounded intake of key nutrients like protein, iron, vitamin B12, vitamin D, vitamin K2, omega-3 fatty acids, and calcium. Vitamin B12, vitamin K2 and vitamin D are nutrients that may require special attention when following a vegan diet. While some plant-based foods are fortified with these nutrients, it can be challenging to obtain adequate amounts solely from plant sources.
To get more information about the nutrition facts and calorie content of various vegan foods, you might check veganalyze. It provides comprehensive information on the nutritional composition of different plant-based foods.
 
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