News Conor McGregor just received his BJJ-blackbelt

[StonedLemur]

Exactly. You said you never saw him submit someone. In MMA…. Do you attend his gym and BJJ training sessions, sir?

What he’s done or hasn’t done in the UFC/mma is virtually irrelevant to the awarding of his black belt in BJJ.

My point being he has never displayed a black belt level of BJJ sir, like ever.
He doesn't fight the hands during sub attempts etc.

That's not exactly showing great BJJ.

 

[Can’t Handle My Riddum]

My point being he has never displayed a black belt level of BJJ sir, like ever.
He doesn't fight the hands during sub attempts etc.

That's not exactly showing great BJJ.

In an MMA fight…

You realize that they’re different things right? He could very well have progressed through the skills and techniques in his 20 years of BJJ training enough to have attained that black belt.

 

[StonedLemur]

In an MMA fight…

You realize that they’re different things right? He could very well have progressed through the skills and techniques in his 20 years of BJJ training enough to have attained that black belt.

Ok, so what tournament has he competed in or won?
You do understand that what you do in the gym is not the only thing that goes with belt progression yes?

Also, he just received the black belt...when has he been training?... between sexual assaults?...coke binges?

Come on man, I get that you like him but how far are you gonna stretch to make him fit the suit you're trying to put him in?

 

[kalabula]

Sherdoggers would know a lot better whether he deserves his black belt than his bjj coach.

 

[Can’t Handle My Riddum]

Ok, so what tournament has he competed in or won?
You do understand that what you do in the gym is not the only thing that goes with belt progression yes?

Also, he just received the black belt...when has he been training?... between sexual assaults?...coke binges?

Come on man, I get that you like him but how far are you gonna stretch to make him fit the suit you're trying to put him in?

For the record, I can’t stand Conor McGregor. Think he’s scum.

I’ve trained in three gyms. One was in Canada, one in the UK and one in China. Tournament participation was not a requirement for belt progression in any of those gyms.

The fact of the matter is, you have zero idea how he performs as a BJJ player because you are not privy to the gym sessions where he rolls. But it stands to reason that after nearly two decades of rolling with top BJJ players, it’s entirely reasonable that he has merited that belt.

 

[StonedLemur]

For the record, I can’t stand Conor McGregor. Think he’s scum.

I’ve trained in three gyms. One was in Canada, one in the UK and one in China. Tournament participation was not a requirement for belt progression in any of those gyms.

The fact of the matter is, you have zero idea how he performs as a BJJ player because you are not privy to the gym sessions where he rolls. But it stands to reason that after nearly two decades of rolling with top BJJ players, it’s entirely reasonable that he has merited that belt.

You're right sir, he's awesome and has shown great displays of BJJ....not in any competition but I guess at his gym where they are all yes men for him.

Sounds legit.

 

[Nightgunner05]

It's reality. No one who shows that little dedication and work ethic should be given a black belt. No one would acquire the skills necessary anyways. However, if you know of a legitimate example then go ahead and tell me. I'd love to hear about someone that practiced once every two weeks and legitimately acquired the skills necessary to earn a black belt. It's virtually impossible.

But it's not reality, it's just your opinion. I have the opposite opinion. I don't have an example to give you because I don't have the training schedules of everyone that has done bjj. But either way, who cares? My point was that even if Conor was this inconsistent in training, it's not at all inconsivable that he would be able to go from brown belt to black belt in 9 years.

 

[Pitier of Fools]

 

[ocfightfan]

Gordon Ryan better watch his ass. Conor's coming, and hells coming with him.

 

[Iroh]

Yeah I know that, im not sure if you're saying this to me seriously.
I know how this shit works brother.

Did you know that theres a ton of black belts out there that haven't actually earned it.

Let's get a black belt in here to confirm @Nathan LaMontagne

Just don't know why submissions in his career matter at all to him getting a BB.

They earn it when their teacher says they have earned it. It's that simple. Of course, there are vast discapancies in skill between the various BB out there, but that doesn't always mean that they haven't been "earned". BB doesn't nean you are at the pinnacle of your sport or anything. Because if that were the case, you only would have a hand full of BBs in the world. Most teachers wouldn't even be BBs.

And yes, I am aware that some teachers give out belts much too fast/easily. Conor seems to have, at least, had a pretty decently long route towards his though

Another thing people seem to misunderstand is that BB actually can and do get submitted. You always hear people trashing a fighter's BB if he got submitted, just because of the fact that the person got subbed. It's the constant addiction of fans wanting to shit on the athletes. A BB is not a badge of invulnerability/unsubbability.

If the idea is that Conor has not earned a BB, how much of his actual overall BJJ skills are people evaluating? Is it just how he gassed in a MMA fight and then got subbed in the second by Diaz, or the sub by Khabib or how he got subbed earlier in his career? Do you really think that any of it has anything to do with the process of him working up through the belt-system?

What do people actually know about Conor's BJJ skills to say he isn't worthy of a BB? Or how much do people let their personal feelings towards Conor influence their judgement here?

 

[Nathan LaMontagne]

Yeah I know that, im not sure if you're saying this to me seriously.
I know how this shit works brother.

Did you know that theres a ton of black belts out there that haven't actually earned it.

Let's get a black belt in here to confirm @Nathan LaMontagne

Whatcha need to know?

In 2023
I'd say over 50% of people are getting their black belts in well under a decade and with less competition (scarily enough some with none)

Also if BJJ were to steal even more from judo they should steal the black belt process.

My personal example/story below

Spoiler

I had to: (or more accurately my instructor had to do for me

1. Get a full background check
2. Show my competition itinerary and accomplishments
3. Explain how long I'd been training
4: How long I'd been teaching
5: was supposed to get a kata certification through IJF (though I got an exemption)

And even after that there was some pushback due to the fact I'd only officially done it like 8ish years.

My instructor had to write them a formal letter explaining that in 20 years of teaching He'd never promoted to black belt and that his standards were very high.

The thing that tipped the scales into my favour were
1. He had luckily had competition records of me competing and placing in black belt divisions for abut 4 years

2. His father also sent in a letter
He was an Olympic alternate and he was in super tight and very well known In NANKA (Southern California federation of IJF)

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My BJJ belts, every last one, I just got told I was now that belt, luckily for me it was from instructors that were very legit.

 

[StonedLemur]

Whatcha need to know?

In 2023
I'd say over 50% of people are getting their black belts in well under a decade and with less competition (scarily enough some with none)

Also if BJJ were to steal even more from judo they should steal the black belt process.

My personal example/story below

Spoiler

I had to: (or more accurately my instructor had to do for me

1. Get a full background check
2. Show my competition itinerary and accomplishments
3. Explain how long I'd been training
4: How long I'd been teaching
5: was supposed to get a kata certification through IJF (though I got an exemption)

And even after that there was some pushback due to the fact I'd only officially done it like 8ish years.

My instructor had to write them a formal letter explaining that in 20 years of teaching He'd never promoted to black belt and that his standards were very high.

The thing that tipped the scales into my favour were
1. He had luckily had competition records of me competing and placing in black belt divisions for abut 4 years

2. His father also sent in a letter
He was an Olympic alternate and he was in super tight and very well known In NANKA (Southern California federation of IJF)

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My BJJ belts, every last one, I just got told I was now that belt, luckily for me it was from instructors that were very legit.

@Iroh do you think Conor went through a process even close to as tough to get his Black Belt sir?

Thanks @Nathan LaMontagne that's exactly what I wanted to know sir, you're a G.

 

[Sweater of AV]

But it's not reality, it's just your opinion. I have the opposite opinion. I don't have an example to give you because I don't have the training schedules of everyone that has done bjj. But either way, who cares? My point was that even if Conor was this inconsistent in training, it's not at all inconsivable that he would be able to go from brown belt to black belt in 9 years.

No, it's reality. You can always actually try to provide a single example, but you can't because it's nonsense. No one in history has ever practiced one hour every two weeks and obtained a legitimate black belt. You made the claim that it's possible so you need to give an example of it happening.

As for McRunner, if that were the case then it's highly inconceivable that it would be legitimate.

Anyways, we'll agree to disagree because we both know you won't be able to come up with a relevant example to help your case.

 

[Nathan LaMontagne]

On the flipside.

I think Conor probably beats a good portion of modern hobbyist black belts though that's heavily in part to his athleticism.

Decent competition black belts smoke him, IMO

There's a big divide between the two.

 

[Iroh]

@Iroh do you think Conor went through a process even close to as tough to get his Black Belt sir?

Thanks @Nathan LaMontagne that's exactly what I wanted to know sir, you're a G.

A Judo process? You think Marcelo Garcia had to do those things?

So are you critiquing Conor or the sport of BJJ itself?

 

[StonedLemur]

A Judo process? You think Marcelo Garcia had to do those things?

So are you critiquing Conor or the sport of BJJ itself?

" if BJJ were to steal even more from judo they should steal the black belt process."
He said if.

 

[Danas_right]

how many other guys are sweeping nate Diaz?

Should be a Platinum Gold 100th degree black belt

 

[Iroh]

" if BJJ were to steal even more from judo they should steal the black belt process."
He said if.

Yes, so it 's not part of BJJ, so why does it matter?

 

[Nightgunner05]

No, it's reality. You can always actually try to provide a single example, but you can't because it's nonsense. No one in history has ever practiced one hour every two weeks and obtained a legitimate black belt. You made the claim that it's possible so you need to give an example of it happening.

As for McRunner, if that were the case then it's highly inconceivable that it would be legitimate.

Anyways, we'll agree to disagree because we both know you won't be able to come up with a relevant example to help your case.

There you go again stating you opinion as fact again. I can't provide you an example because someone training once every week or two wouldn't be a famous bjj guy. They would be an average Joe that probably has never even competed, but has done bjj for a very long time. There are people in their 60 and older who have gotten black belts for god sake! You think all of those people were rolling 5 days a week too?

Being a bjj black belt isn’t some magical thing, it’s a skill that is learned just like everything else. Someone learning it only an hour every two weeks will learn it at a much slower pace, but they will still learn it.

The very fact you called him Mcrunner shows your bias here. Everything you say loses credibility after that. It’s inconceivable that his black belt isn’t real because it took him a long time to get? How does that even make sense? If he had gotten his black belt six months after getting his brown belt, then maybe you would have a point, but not after 9 damn years!

The only thing I agree with you on is that we’ll have to disagree.

 

[StonedLemur]

Yes, so it 's not part of BJJ, so why does it matter?

This subject is boring to be honest.
I said what I said and stand behind it.

You think that Conor earned his black belt and thats cool sir.