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First off, I have to admit that I made a mistake in this thread. It turns out that wallace was not previously a felon. He had been arrested for felonies, but the charges were dropped to misdemeanors-including one that involved a weapon and “unsafe handling of a firearm”. He has been arrested over a dozen times since 2012. There are five domestic battery arrests, including one against his pregnant girlfriend. Any of those would have prevented him from owning a gun, but All were dropped-my guess is that the victims became uncooperative and wouldn’t show for court and they are likely trashbags anyway. So, I apologize for making the mistake of thinking he was a convicted felon.
You gentleman have argued that Officer Raynor did not have reasonable articulable suspicion to approach wallace, and I strongly disagree. There are many factors that go into ras and it is purposefully kept vague by the Supreme Court so that officers can do their job and investigate and prevent crimes. It is generally defined as a suspicion that a reasonable police officer has that a crime has occurred ,will occur, or is occurring based on the totality of the circumstances. It is more than “a hunch” but less than probable cause.
What does this mean? It means that based upon the officers training and experiences(very important), information about the area (high crime), information, training, and experiences about particular suspects, their behaviors, their methods, and the way in which they conduct their crimes. And all of this is taken into consideration in whether ras exists, and if it does, that the officer can detain the subject for further investigation. I am not going to get into terry v Ohio, because pretty much everyone knows that one, but the link below has a lot of information in it regarding ras.
So, with that in mind, Raynor was specifically told
To pay attention to this apartment building and the parking lot because of crimes in the area. High crime area-check.
All officers in the area were given a bolo on a stolen gray Honda spotted in the area. wallace was driving a gray Honda crv.
It is nighttime, which is considered a factor in ras, especially in certain types of crimes.
The suspects actions-sitting in car or being in a high crime area are not crimes, nor are they alone, enough for ras. However, wallace was sitting in his car, at night, in a high crime area, in an area Raynor was told to watch. And upon being approached by a police officer, he suddenly wants to leave. One of the factors to look for when establishing ras is a change in the person’s behavior, such as nervousness, seeing an officer and immediately going the other way, running upon seeing a marked police car in a high crime area, failure to meet an officer’s gaze is actually one of them. If a person has done nothing wrong, and does not wish to speak to police, that is their right if they choose to keep walking. However, when instructed to stop, or stay in the vehicle as we have here, and a reasonable person would not believe they are free to go-it is a detention, which this was. Raynor told him multiple times to sit down in the vehicle. Why? Because it is an officer safety issue, and this incident is the perfect example of why. If a cop tells me to sit down in my car, I am going to do it. If they tell me to stop, I am going to do it. Someone that has committed a crime, in this case, a black sovereign citizen type that hates police with an illegally concealed firearm, does not stop.
One more issue that is a factor is good faith. Good faith is the notion that a police officer is doing something because it is his/her job and they are doing it without malice. The fact that Raynor activated his body camera while approaching wallace tells me that he is acting in good faith. He is trying to do the job he was hired to do, which is to try and prevent crimes and hold those that so accountable.
All of the above that I have listed, when combined with Raynor’s training and experience, knowledge of the area and types of crimes committed there, and his knowledge about criminals and how they operate-he absolutely does have ras to stop wallace and investigate what he is doing there. I don’t know how long he was sitting there watching him, or how long wallace was in the vehicle before he approaches. That is unknown.
While not a felon, wallace had a firearm concealed in his waistband and Florida law requires a permit to carry concealed. He did not have a permit, which makes this a crime.
wallace did not live there. He was there visiting his kids who live there with their mother-it’s her apartment, and he had already visited them. However, when approached by a police officer, wallace decides he needs to leave immediately and at some point, either on the stand or during an interview, he says he just wanted to go to his apartment. Wrong, he’s lying because that is not his apartment. He suddenly decided he had to leave because he knew the cop was going to find the firearm and likely arrest him.
I believe this was premeditated murder. It does not have to be planned weeks in advance, only the decision is made to kill someone. The courts do not say how long this is, but they state the decision has to be made and resonate with the killer. I believe that wallace made that decision prior to doing so and it wasn’t just a reaction to some threat that doesn’t exist. I even think when he says “ah man, don’t do this.” I believe he was thinking “don’t make me kill you” but he decided that if he couldn’t get away, he was going to kill him, and he did.
here are some additional points
Remember, he said he “will someday be proud to have pig’s blood on his hands and boots” and while he denies that “pigs” means cops, he says he said that in 2020 when cops were killing black people-so how in the fuck does “pigs” not mean cops? Every shitbag refers to cops as pigs and immediately after he stated pigs didn’t mean cops, he says he was angry that cops were killing black people.
About fifteen minutes after the shooting that eventually killed Officer Raynor, Wallace posted an Instagram story.
"I want y’all to know something man, I love y’all," Wallace says in the video. "Black power. Stay strong as a nation. Don’t let these p**** a** pigs f*** with you. I love y’all, Black power."
Again, this clearly says that he is referring to cops as pigs fifteen mins after killing a police officer.
He, and his defense, also tell officers that went to arrest him, “I could have killed you all.” He had his murder weapon and an ak with 500 rounds in the tree house with him. Instead of shooting at police, he surrenders laying on the ground with his hands in the air. His defense asks “if he hates cops so much, why didn’t he take this chance to kill more.” The answer is because he would have died in that treehouse. I think when faced with taking out more cops but dying, he chickens out and living is more important to him that going out in a blaze of glory for the cause.
And what’s really sad is this guy is being celebrated and will be a cop killing hero in prison. I got into quite a few arguments on x with people cheering this as great news and hail this as a victory. While wallace used the 2020 “as a black man, my biggest fear is getting killed by the police” defense. At no time did Raynor present any threat. He told him to sit down, blocked his path, and put his hand on his shoulder-gently. Tell me, where in any of those actions do you believe present a threat that justifies pulling out a firearm and shooting him in the head?
I wonder how many cops see this case and this video, and this case, and fear black men more now. If a shitbag like wallace can claim the 2020 black men fear cops defense, well, I guess cops can use this case as well as oodles of stats as a defense.
https://benchbook.sog.unc.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Warrantless Stops.pdf
https://benchbook.sog.unc.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Warrantless Stops.pdf