Movies Marvel Studios in Crisis - A Variety Article

So much material available and they still fail. I recently finished watching over 50 of the DC animated movies and still don't understand how badly DC failed with live action versions of the various storylines. You really have to try to be that bad.
 
Didn’t take long for the chuds to start frothing over woke lol.

It’s all too much. Too much content has diluted the quality and interest in these properties. Guardians 3 was the last Marvel product I watched and I really don’t have much desire to get back into any of it. I shouldn’t need to watch every fucking spin-off show to keep tabs with what the latest arc is. I didn’t even watch most of the early phase Marvel stuff and I knew exactly what was happening in Avengers.

Everything needs to be scaled drastically back, give these things time to breath. Don’t stretch your writers and VFX people so thin. Take time to plan these projects out meticulously and give your creatives a chance to put out quality work and people will come back.
 
We allllll know what the problem here. Besides superhero burn out after end game, (which is one of the bigger issues here) the other main issue is EXACTLY what SouthPark goofed on.

We are going to have to see how thick headed and stubborn Disney/Marvel really is.
 
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Sound like Marvel is now having problem the way DCEU pretty much have had since day 1. They had a really good run from phase 1 to 3, even as bad as it has been since, they still had some good movies sprinkled in like Spiderman no way home and GotG3. I am not even sure if it will be possible for them to reach the height of MCU like it did with Infinity War. There is already so much stuff the viewers have to keep up with, it's basically killing itself with its own weight.
 
Part of the blame can be pointed at Disney+

- Why go to the movies? I'll just watch it in a couple months on streaming?

- Feige stated before WandaVision that the TV shows would be separate from the movies and one did not have to watch the TV shows to understand the movies. That was an incorrect statement. I really liked Ms. Marvel's show. But, I understand that it's viewership numbers were low. So, for many, her introduction will be off by a year.

- I know South Park's commentary on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy is a hot topic right now. But, I think the biggest point was made by Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything and a guy very involved in the writers' strike). He stated before the strike that there are glaring issues in the writers rooms across Hollywood. In particular, it's extremely hard to make it as a writer for movies/shows. People can no longer afford to "strike it out in LA". Instead, these tend to be trust fund babies that went to elite colleges and live off of an allowance from mom and dad. As a result, they have no idea what the common person is going through. They will continue to write their protagonists as silhouettes of themselves. Likewise, the "bad guys" will continue to be misguided individuals that need to be "educated" by the elitist hero.
 
Dizzy said:
Didn’t take long for the chuds to start frothing over woke lol.

It’s all too much. Too much content has diluted the quality and interest in these properties. Guardians 3 was the last Marvel product I watched and I really don’t have much desire to get back into any of it. I shouldn’t need to watch every fucking spin-off show to keep tabs with what the latest arc is. I didn’t even watch most of the early phase Marvel stuff and I knew exactly what was happening in Avengers.

Everything needs to be scaled drastically back, give these things time to breath. Don’t stretch your writers and VFX people so thin. Take time to plan these projects out meticulously and give your creatives a chance to put out quality work and people will come back.
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Strange that the DCEU which the anti woke crowd seem to love more has utterly failed, the reality is the vast majority of audiences care about quality still.

I do tend to think the MCEU needed to scale things back a bit more after the last Avengers films, spend 2-3 years on smaller scale stories building up newer characters were as it has become a case of "bigger is better".

The MCU really has dropped back to something I'll watch and generally get some enjoyment from but not something I'm greatly looking forward to as it was for a few years from about 2014-2019.
 
It's pretty sad that they basically have to bank on Marvel now, because they put all their eggs into one basket. Now fatigue has set in, and they're looking for a solution that simply isn't there. It's not woke shit, ballooning budgets, or domestic violence charges for a star(although I'm sure it hasn't helped). It's merely fatigue, from a market that has had enough of the same shit. The movies were getting played out, but then you add a bunch of TV shows to that...and they're all connected? Ain't nobody got time for that shit.
 
Are people really bringing up South Park? Cartman has been said many times to be the worst person they can imagine.

If you’re siding with him they’re making fun of you as well.
 
Fluffernutter said:
- I know South Park's commentary on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy is a hot topic right now. But, I think the biggest point was made by Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything and a guy very involved in the writers' strike). He stated before the strike that there are glaring issues in the writers rooms across Hollywood. In particular, it's extremely hard to make it as a writer for movies/shows. People can no longer afford to "strike it out in LA". Instead, these tend to be trust fund babies that went to elite colleges and live off of an allowance from mom and dad. As a result, they have no idea what the common person is going through. They will continue to write their protagonists as silhouettes of themselves. Likewise, the "bad guys" will continue to be misguided individuals that need to be "educated" by the elitist hero.
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I for one think, South Park was late to the party. Way late.



 
Fluffernutter said:
- I know South Park's commentary on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy is a hot topic right now. But, I think the biggest point was made by Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything and a guy very involved in the writers' strike). He stated before the strike that there are glaring issues in the writers rooms across Hollywood. In particular, it's extremely hard to make it as a writer for movies/shows. People can no longer afford to "strike it out in LA". Instead, these tend to be trust fund babies that went to elite colleges and live off of an allowance from mom and dad. As a result, they have no idea what the common person is going through. They will continue to write their protagonists as silhouettes of themselves. Likewise, the "bad guys" will continue to be misguided individuals that need to be "educated" by the elitist hero.
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This is interesting, I just figured they were following orders coming from the top and the problem could be fixed by a change in leadership, not referring specifically to the MCU but just Hollywood in general, but if its rotting from the bottom up thats gonna be a whole lot harder to fix, especially when the insane cost of living in California is one of the major contributing factors
 
Marvel got lazy and started to believe their own hype; that they could stick MCU on any freshly-dropped turd and still make a Billion. But the quality has dropped so much that even OG fans like myself are starting to vote with their wallets.

Over-saturation was another nail in the coffin. An MCU movie used to be an event. You got one or maybe two a year, so you looked forward to it for months. Now Marvel is churning them out, with all the Disney Plus shows on top, and it's just become a chore to keep up with rather than a pleasure.
 
KnightTemplar said:
Marvel got lazy and started to believe their own hype; that they could stick MCU on any freshly-dropped turd and still make a Billion. But the quality has dropped so much that even OG fans like myself are starting to vote with their wallets.

Over-saturation was another nail in the coffin. An MCU movie used to be an event. You got one or maybe two a year, so you looked forward to it for months. Now Marvel is churning them out, with all the Disney Plus shows on top, and it's just become a chore to keep up with rather than a pleasure.
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They also built everything to IW/Endgame. The story culminated and they raised the stakes to as high as they could with every character they could. Where is there to go after that? Nowhere and everything now feels less important.

Thor 2 might have sucked but it felt like you had to see it to understand where they were going. That feeling is gone completely.
 
RollSonnenRoll said:
They also built everything to IW/Endgame. The story culminated and they raised the stakes to as high as they could with every character they could. Where is there to go after that? Nowhere and everything now feels less important.

Thor 2 might have sucked but it felt like you had to see it to understand where they were going. That feeling is gone completely.
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I do think they needed a few more films like Black Widow, granted that suffered a bit from being a flashback but it was a bit slower and smaller scale building up new characters.
 
Good. The sooner the lights get shined on all the dumb shit they were doing and brain dead idiots they were trying to pander to, the sooner they can get back to making good solid Marvel movies. I have been checked out since End Game and haven't thought once about watching anything past that since it was all disconnected anyway.

Any business that deals with sales is the same and it boils down to simple principles. Offer a good service and people will pay. Offer good food and people will come to your restaurant. Make a good movie and people will watch. They got so far away from where Ironman 1 started it that they completely lost their way.
 
moreorless87 said:
I do think they needed a few more films like Black Widow, granted that suffered a bit from being a flashback but it was a bit slower and smaller scale building up new characters.
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Black Widow was the last one I really enjoyed. It felt like a character-driven story that humanized Natasha. It had actual dialogue and not just constant quips. That’s the direction they need to go, not vfx goats screaming at Thor. I haven’t seen Guardians 3 yet though and I’ve heard some good things about it
 
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