Impact on the UFC due to Francis in PFL and boxin

[Your Account]

What do you think ?
Now that Nganou left the UFC like he did, practially won the fight against the boxing champ Fury,
and at the same time participating in the mma through PFL , how much would that have an impact on the UFC ?
Ngannou fighting in PFL will obviously attract some amount of UFC followers due to Ngannou's success in boxing.

 

[You Will Vote For Dreyga]

Here’s the thing only people with big names will try to make the jump

When people think about boxing crossovers they usually biased and only consider the most popular UFC guys and forget the HUNDREDS of mid tier guys on the roster

Like out of the 700 something people on the roster how many people really have an opportunity to make the kind of money Ngannou does in boxing?

You think someone like Neil Magny or Brenden Allen will really benefit from crossing over to boxing?

Then you gotta think most grapplers will not make the jump. They know that they will just get smoked in boxing.

Most kickboxers seem to believe there is more opportunity for them in MMA than boxing after seeing the success of Adesanya and Pereira and the MMA promotions willingness to give them shortened paths to the belt


The only people thinks change for are big name fighters who happen to be elite strikers. For everyone status quo continues

 

[Leinster Rugby]

Dunno. Hope it encourages others to flip Dana off and do their own thing though.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

Here’s the thing only people with big names will try to make the jump

When people think about boxing crossovers they usually biased and only consider the most popular UFC guys and forget the HUNDREDS of mid tier guys on the roster

Like out of the 700 something people on the roster how many people really have an opportunity to make the kind of money Ngannou does in boxing?

You think someone like Neil Magny or Brenden Allen will really benefit from crossing over to boxing?

Then you gotta think most grapplers will not make the jump. They know that they will just get smoked in boxing.

Most kickboxers seem to believe there is more opportunity for them in MMA than boxing after seeing the success of Adesanya and Pereira and the MMA promotions willingness to give them shortened paths to the belt


The only people thinks change for are big name fighters who happen to be elite strikers. For everyone status quo continues

exactly. Clay Collard left MMA to box, didn't strike gold or anything, and is back in MMA
https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Clay-Collard-78465

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/802494

 

[SuperAlly]

Nil

 

[DarthChen731]

The rich get richer

 

[Paolo Delutis]

It changes nothing for either person/group ...

Francis got his money... And the UFC made theres

 

[corrupted]

Here’s the thing only people with big names will try to make the jump

When people think about boxing crossovers they usually biased and only consider the most popular UFC guys and forget the HUNDREDS of mid tier guys on the roster

Like out of the 700 something people on the roster how many people really have an opportunity to make the kind of money Ngannou does in boxing?

You think someone like Neil Magny or Brenden Allen will really benefit from crossing over to boxing?

Then you gotta think most grapplers will not make the jump. They know that they will just get smoked in boxing.

Most kickboxers seem to believe there is more opportunity for them in MMA than boxing after seeing the success of Adesanya and Pereira and the MMA promotions willingness to give them shortened paths to the belt


The only people thinks change for are big name fighters who happen to be elite strikers. For everyone status quo continues

I don’t interpret the post as meaning in boxing specifically. I think it means people not seeing the UFC as their only option. I think 100% it will positively effect the sport. But in the long run. They still have a duck of a long way to go right now, so I don’t think it will immediately effect their numbers. The UFC has to step it up tho. As of now, the best Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight fighters in MMA are at other orgs. If people DO start to follow the fighters and the PFL step up their production values (which are terrible), they could see some movement.

And I don’t care how much Francis made. That event was garbage from the ridiculous parade to the drill show and walk outs …. For those that didn’t see it.

Tyson Fury danced to terrible drum and bass while plodding round a paddock shaped stage.

 

[BlackStrap]

Here’s the thing only people with big names will try to make the jump

When people think about boxing crossovers they usually biased and only consider the most popular UFC guys and forget the HUNDREDS of mid tier guys on the roster

Like out of the 700 something people on the roster how many people really have an opportunity to make the kind of money Ngannou does in boxing?

You think someone like Neil Magny or Brenden Allen will really benefit from crossing over to boxing?

Then you gotta think most grapplers will not make the jump. They know that they will just get smoked in boxing.

Most kickboxers seem to believe there is more opportunity for them in MMA than boxing after seeing the success of Adesanya and Pereira and the MMA promotions willingness to give them shortened paths to the belt


The only people thinks change for are big name fighters who happen to be elite strikers. For everyone status quo continues

I think is is pretty much on point, but I do think there may be a further an unexpected result.

It is possible that the UFC, now under TKO, actually become more open to crossover boxing matches.

If they can cross promote like with Conor v. Mayweather, and their star can come out untarnished, even in loss, like Ngannou, then why not? There is a possibility that this provides an easier path into boxing promotion than Dana's previously ill fated endeavors.

That's on the "professional" boxing side, to say nothing of the potential in celebrity boxing. With that, they could even make bank on non-elite strikers and over the hill veterans.

If they were not thinking of it before, they should be now.

 

[smiles mma]

What do you think ?
Now that Nganou left the UFC like he did, practially won the fight against the boxing champ Fury,
and at the same time participating in the mma through PFL , how much would that have an impact on the UFC ?
Ngannou fighting in PFL will obviously attract some amount of UFC followers due to Ngannou's success in boxing.

Free advertising for the UFC in the boxing world. They barely say Francis, without former UFC heavyweight champion.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

None. Ty-bone and Frank dawg sold less ppv than a random AEW ppv.

Nunes-Spencer numbers.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

It has pretty much no effect imho. The UFC train keeps on rolling regardless - big card every few weeks, onto the next thing, then the next, then the next.

 

[don't ask]

I don't think it really affects the UFC right now, but it makes them look really fucking stupid.

If Saudi money and Francis' fame are able to turn PFL into something significant, that might affect the UFC and I hope it happens.

 

[Koala]

Lots of MMA fighters tried boxing at some point
Most fighters with clean boxing are fighters that tried boxing early on but were Tier 2 boxers
Ngannou is one of the exception that started MMA with almost no fighting background

 

[SuperAlly]

The UFC has to step it up tho. As of now, the best Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight fighters in MMA are at other orgs.

Who has better heavyweights (big emphasis on plural here) than Aspinall, Pavlovich, Stipe, Jones, Gane, Lewis, Blaydes etc etc

Francis does not overrule all that. With at least 3 of them potentially able to beat Francis: Tom, Sergey, Jon

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I feel like 50% of Sherdoggers weren't around when Arlovski left UFC in 2008 to try the same thing.

Part of the reason he left the UFC was because he wanted to box. He got the additional pay in Affliction but there was no path to boxing at that time(circus boxing wasn't a thing back then like they are now) and watching him get dropped by a 16 year old Andy Ruiz Jr wasn't a good future for Arlovski. Most MMA fighters can't box for fucking shit as Youtubers are better. The issue with the Ngnnaou outcome is its going to make this circus that much worst.

McGregor started this circus, did relatively well and then a floods started after that with dudes just getting embarrassed and it finally felt like it was losing steam after Nate and Dillon. Ngannou reinflated this balloon and we are going to see a load of guys wanting to do this and it's going to be the same outcome. Most MMA guys just getting embarrassed. Arlovski wasn't some mma wrestler trying boxing. He was legitimately training boxing years before this footage even when UFC champ at Jabb gym in Chicago.

 

[Your Account]

.... there was no path to boxing at that time(circus boxing weren't a thing back then like they are now) ....

 

[jx820]

at the same time participating in the mma through PFL

I keep hearing this talking point. I think it's important that we note, he's never fought in the PFL, and it seems increasingly likely that he'll never compete in the PFL or MMA again. He's talking about a rematch or Wilder fight a lot more than he's talking about Goltsov or Ryan Bader.

On the subject of the impact on the UFC. I think a million articles about a UFC champ, lineal UFC champ, or former UFC champ (I've read all 3) beating up a HW boxing champ in boxing is probably really helpful. It shines up the image of how good UFC fightes are. I'm not sure the casuals understand Frank's departure, or the terms on which he left.

I think the negative impact on the UFC is that there are going to be even more fighters looking to jump ship and go box. It may ultimately result in UFC fighters getting better pay as their agents and managers may see more potential opportunity and start doing their jobs.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Talk like "partially won" is making MMA fans look like a pathetic boyfriend in denial about getting dumped.

Ngannou shocked the world, did better than pretty much anyone expected. Split decision was impressive, but he lost. That's a turd no matter how much ya polish it.

As for the rest, I think long term impact is beneficial. Competition is a good thing, forces everyone to up their game.

 

[Poirierfan]

It has pretty much no effect imho. The UFC train keeps on rolling regardless - big card every few weeks, onto the next thing, then the next, then the next.

Big cards every week? The UFC has been really lackluster for a while now imo. They lack stars, just a bunch of blah type fighters.