Does the "Today's worst NBA team beats 90s Bulls" Theory work in MMA ?

[Frank Kain]

It’s just as bias the other way around. Psssst they still couldn’t handle jordan and they sure as hell couldn’t handle Rodman. Rodman alone would have them running to the locker room.

Huge Dennis Rodman fan but the man was 6-8/225. Karl Malone, Charles Oakley or Shaq, are different stories…those guys were huge and played physical. Other good examples are Rick Mahorn and Moses Malone. But sometimes people forget, Lebron is about the same size as Karl Malone. Put it you another way, Jordan and Lebron play 1 on 1, who wins? The answer is easy… Lebron. Size matters in 1 on 1 play. Especially if it’s make it, take it….Jordan couldn’t keep him away from the basket.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Huge Dennis Rodman fan but the man was 6-8/225. Karl Malone, Charles Oakley or Shaq, are different stories…those guys were huge and played physical. Other good examples are Rick Mahorn and Moses Malone. But sometimes people forget, Lebron is about the same size as Karl Malone. Put it you another way, Jordan and Lebron play 1 on 1, who wins? The answer is easy… Lebron. Size matters in 1 on 1 play. Especially if it’s make it, take it….Jordan couldn’t keep him away from the basket.

Jordan Prime would Send LeBron to another dimension and beat his ass doesn't matter his size it's all about skills.

 

[Frank Kain]

Jordan Prime would Send LeBron to another dimension and beat his ass doesn't matter his size it's all about skills.

And if Lebron wasn’t similarly skilled and just larger, then you might have a point. He’s basically a point-forward that even plays center for stretches

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Huge Dennis Rodman fan but the man was 6-8/225. Karl Malone, Charles Oakley or Shaq, are different stories…those guys were huge and played physical. Other good examples are Rick Mahorn and Moses Malone. But sometimes people forget, Lebron is about the same size as Karl Malone. Put it you another way, Jordan and Lebron play 1 on 1, who wins? The answer is easy… Lebron. Size matters in 1 on 1 play. Especially if it’s make it, take it….Jordan couldn’t keep him away from the basket.

Basketball isn't all about just whose bigger, though you do have a point the sport has larger (not taller) players today than any era. Jordan schools LeBron one on one because his technique even 20 years prior to LeBron's peak playing was still better. LeBron himself
The real 1 on 1 basketball all time fantasy matchup is Kobe vs Jordan, which even Jordan ("Fuck them kids") didn't know who would win.
Basketball GOATs are Kareem, Jordan, Bird, then the rest IMO, but just like MMA, it's all subjective and defined by eras.
The comparison used to be Magic vs Jordan. Then Kobe vs Jordan. Now it's LeBron vs Jordan. If he doesn't blow his knees out during his first few years, Wembanyama will be the next person compared in X years, but the constant remains: they are all measured against the single greatest player in basketball history.

 

[Frank Kain]

Basketball isn't all about just whose bigger, though you do have a point the sport has larger (not taller) players today than any era. Jordan schools LeBron one on one because his technique even 20 years prior to LeBron's peak playing was still better. LeBron himself
The real 1 on 1 basketball all time fantasy matchup is Kobe vs Jordan, which even Jordan ("Fuck them kids") didn't know who would win.
Basketball GOATs are Kareem, Jordan, Bird, then the rest IMO, but just like MMA, it's all subjective and defined by eras.
The comparison used to be Magic vs Jordan. Then Kobe vs Jordan. Now it's LeBron vs Jordan. If he doesn't blow his knees out during his first few years, Wembanyama will be the next person compared in X years, but the constant remains: they are all measured against the single greatest player in basketball history.

agree to disagree. Other great 1 on 1 players would be Kareem and Kevin Durant. Height matters. It would be hard for guys Jordan and Kobe’s size to defend them. Especially since KD and Lebron are good dribblers/handlers.

 

[Yep]

Huge Dennis Rodman fan but the man was 6-8/225. Karl Malone, Charles Oakley or Shaq, are different stories…those guys were huge and played physical. Other good examples are Rick Mahorn and Moses Malone. But sometimes people forget, Lebron is about the same size as Karl Malone. Put it you another way, Jordan and Lebron play 1 on 1, who wins? The answer is easy… Lebron. Size matters in 1 on 1 play. Especially if it’s make it, take it….Jordan couldn’t keep him away from the basket.

Bruh. Shaq is easily the most dominant player of all time. He actually changed the game. They had to change equipment just to deal with him. He never gets put into the conversation of goat but without a doubt he was the most dominant single player in the game. However, it’s a team sport and not a 1 on 1 and I don’t care how big a guy is. It’s not like Rodman was small. Somehow curry can deal with these huge guys. I’m pretty certain Rodman would be so far in the heads of these guys they would be calling their sports psychs while on the bench.

 

[djason1988]

Some eras were incredible and some current era are shit.

Like current 205 would get destroyed by Prime Jones, Dc, Gus, Rumble and Glover.

Saying otherwise is cope.

Legit, wtf happened to LHW?? There was no top shelf talent to replace the elites of yesteryear. Like every 205-er just said fuck it

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Just to be clear, Jordan would shut this Spurs rookie down too right? He’s only 7-4

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He may be that one in a lifetime freak athlete. As long as he holds up. Look at how vulnerable his legs look, going to be a lot of guards bouncing off them.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Bruh. Shaq is easily the most dominant player of all time. He actually changed the game. They had to change equipment just to deal with him. He never gets put into the conversation of goat but without a doubt he was the most dominant single player in the game. However, it’s a team sport and not a 1 on 1 and I don’t care how big a guy is. It’s not like Rodman was small. Somehow curry can deal with these huge guys. I’m pretty certain Rodman would be so far in the heads of these guys they would be calling their sports psychs while on the bench.

Stats Per Game

Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 30.1

Shaquille O'Neal 23.7

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 22.9

Shaquille O'Neal 10.9

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 4.4

Shaquille O'Neal 2.5

Best Season
Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 50.4
(1962)

Shaquille O'Neal 29.7
(2000)

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 27.2
(1961)

Shaquille O'Neal 13.9
(1993)

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 8.6
(1968)

Shaquille O'Neal 3.8
(2000)

 

[jko1355]

Has basketball training tactics evolved that much or became more popular since the 90s. I am not knowledgeable of basketball, but that sounds off to me since its an old sport. For MMA, I do believe the best fighters are still to be seen. The fighting game is still improving and more importantly, it became much more mainstream, which mean that there are probably a lot more kids our day training MMA and phenoms are on their way. That said, current roaster are not that much better IMO than the one just before. The latest great jump in talent was post Matt Hughes era. Since it has been relatively stable.

I agree... I haven't seen any real skill jumps since GSP or Anderson Silva... I mean we have different fighters but skills... there has been some evolution in the bjj game but that stuff gets you knocked out in mma...

 

[Tronald Dump]

The argument is with the advantage of science and tech and training, today's worst NBA team could beat the best NBA team from the 2000s or before. If true, does this hold up for MMA ?

Could #15 ranked Martin Buday beat any top three HW from, say, 2003-2008 simply because of the advances in training, nutrition, and knowledge since that time because the fight game has evolved that much ?

Hold the fucking phone. Buday is ranked #15? I didn't realize wins over Collier and Parisian let you sniff the top 30, let alone the top 15. What a joke!

 

[Yep]

Stats Per Game

Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 30.1

Shaquille O'Neal 23.7

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 22.9

Shaquille O'Neal 10.9

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 4.4

Shaquille O'Neal 2.5

Best Season
Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 50.4
(1962)

Shaquille O'Neal 29.7
(2000)

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 27.2
(1961)

Shaquille O'Neal 13.9
(1993)

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 8.6
(1968)

Shaquille O'Neal 3.8
(2000)

And? I don’t think we are talking the same thing. Maybe I should’ve said alive and modern nba. Numbers don’t always paint the whole picture. Wilt obviously a dominant force in his era. And for a long time. I will take shaq tho against modern players.

 

[Yep]

I agree... I haven't seen any real skill jumps since GSP or Anderson Silva... I mean we have different fighters but skills... there has been some evolution in the bjj game but that stuff gets you knocked out in mma...

Yeah, I don’t necessarily believe the evolution is the martial art itself but it’s the training aspect that probably has changed and will continue to push things forward. Jordan changed how people trained to play basketball. I don’t know if any fighters are very vocal about their training like GSP trained which seemed to be far different than everyone else. Or RDA with speed of sport. And BJ with the Marinovich bros. I think that kind of training is far more normalized now. I still don’t think it’s normalized enough. However, maybe we don’t hear about it as much cuz it’s not such an anomaly. Hell, baseball training is the same way. Some of these travel ball teams have tryouts that include all these tests with hand eye coordination machines and a battery of tests of endurance/speed and the like. And we are talking kids who are preteen. It used to be you would put them out there and see how they would field and you would throw to them and see how they hit. Not anymore. Like mma training used to be slugging it out with your gym bros and then knocking back pitchers at the end of the night.

 

[Morning Star]

And? I don’t think we are talking the same thing. Maybe I should’ve said alive and modern nba. Numbers don’t always paint the whole picture. Wilt obviously a dominant force in his era. And for a long time. I will take shaq tho against modern players.

Prime Shaq was the best player sans Jordan of my lifetime. Dude was getting 30 and 10 in the playoffs shooting over 60%, and people were terrified to go into the paint against him he made the other team into jump shooters. If he had Kobe drive and could hit FT he would have been the GOAT.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Do people actually think this^^>?

And what rules are we playing with?

I remember some moron who worked for me back in... 2007, declaring that Kobe was better than Jordan "based on their highlight reels." Good god, I swear, people today can neither read, listen, nor even see.

For the record, anyone who believes that Kobe was a superior player to Jordan is a certified moron, who probably fails to see any difference between a tiktok video and a Scorcese film.

 

[Frank Kain]

Stats Per Game

Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 30.1

Shaquille O'Neal 23.7

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 22.9

Shaquille O'Neal 10.9

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 4.4

Shaquille O'Neal 2.5

Best Season
Points Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 50.4
(1962)

Shaquille O'Neal 29.7
(2000)

Rebounds Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 27.2
(1961)

Shaquille O'Neal 13.9
(1993)

Assists Per Game
Wilt Chamberlain 8.6
(1968)

Shaquille O'Neal 3.8
(2000)

yep, no one is going to top Wilts stats. One year, he averaged 50 points a game! But it was a different time. Wilt didn’t play a lot guys close to his height until the last 5 years of his career. Shaq was man amongst boys, tho. The only time I really saw him beat head to head, was Hakeem in that crazy finals. Another great, underrated player.

 

[IneedSometop]

I don't think the worst NBA team now beats the 95-96 bulls that's wild, but the avg NBA player in 2023 is more skilled than the Avg NBA player of 1995 I don't think that's too debatable. Same way the Avg guy in the UFC in 2023 is better than the avg guy in the early 2000s. For example Jens Pulver and Caol Uno were considered two of the the top 5 LWs in the world in the early 2000s but I am confident someone like Dan Hooker who is a fringe top 10 guy runs either of those dudes out of the building in their prime

 

[Yep]

Prime Shaq was the best player sans Jordan of my lifetime. Dude was getting 30 and 10 in the playoffs shooting over 60%, and people were terrified to go into the paint against him he made the other team into jump shooters. If he had Kobe drive and could hit FT he would have been the GOAT.

He needed Kobe’s diet lol. That was definitely what destroyed his career.


Shaq explained that while he weighed around 285 pounds when he left college and began his NBA career with the Orlando Magic, he was soon required to pack on some weight, leading to a "130-pound bulk" over his first season.

"They started Hack-a-Shaq with me early," he said. "So I was lifting weights, and I was 300, and then 315. Phil Jackson came in, the first championship I was 345, then I had a great summer, came back 385 for the second one."

He added that by the time he had left Orland for the LA Lakers, he weighed 415 pounds. But that changed when he signed with the Miami Heat. "And then when I got traded away, Pat Riley had me doing army drills, and I got back down to 325," he continued. "It was up and down."

 

[DapperDave]

Who thinks todays NBA teams would beat the 90's Bulls?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

i feel like someone like prime marc coleman could have been competitive today especially at HW. the forward pressure, the juice, EPO, a fight camp in this era, he could expose the ground games of HW fighters today. maybe wishful thinking. maybe not.