Haye vs Usyk

[PBAC]

Haye was absolutely trashed s bloated up cruiserwight for going to HW. Usyk has been praised for it. Both fighters are exploiting a week division. Every other division allows for weight jumping but crusiers tend to be belittled for it.

So anyway, prime for prime fighting at HWm what happens?

 

[StopDucking]

You can’t be serious.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

I was a big fan of haye at CW. It would be a great fight but I think usyk probably ko’s him late. If not takes a close ish decision. He was pretty elusive with big power but he didn’t have a great chin. Usyk would find it enough over the course of the fight imo

That’s go’s for HW or CW

 

[XThe GreatestX]

I am sure people are going to act like Haye wasn't any good but he had some interesting attributes.

Especially in his fight with Enzo where he looked so fast and powerful.

But. Not really the type of style to beat Usyk i don't think though.

 

[StopDucking]

I am sure people are going to act like Haye wasn't any good but he had some interesting attributes.

Especially in his fight with Enzo where he looked so fast and powerful.

But. Not really the type of style to beat Usyk i don't think though.

Haye was a good fighter. Usyk is a great fighter. We don’t have to claim Haye sucked to realize this is a mismatch between 2 fighters of different standings.

You might as well ask yourself if Zab Judah would beat Terence Crawford.

 

[that Indian]

I have been extremely impressed with Usyk. In his prime, I am not sure I can think of another fighter that would be a clear favorite over him (at CW I mean). Maybe Holyfield, but that's probably it.

 

[Badr Hari]

Haye is very good but Usyk is overall better on top of having a stylistic advantage.

 

[SandisLL]

I have been extremely impressed with Usyk. In his prime, I am not sure I can think of another fighter that would be a clear favorite over him (at CW I mean). Maybe Holyfield, but that's probably it.

Vs prime Usyk ( he long ago isn't in his physical prime )....
Chances to win a CW bout on cards IMHO had in good shape Holyfield or Briedis ( this if Usyk had attempted to stop him ....or he had been allowed to dirtywrestle in standup vs Usyk ... Briedis IMHO was a bit worse than Holy as boxer [ Holy had also more sound am achievements in boxing ] but if in normal shape then more 1 punch power than Holy had and this snake type approach to settle traps in long chain.....in order to get option to counter... ).

Holyfield was great.
Haye really was very good and carried huge power for his weight. While lesser sneaky than Holy or Briedis or Usyk.

Povetkin in prime shape sure had some chances...With HW weight in limits.
Like he was vs Huck.

 

[ferrisjso]

I mean wasn't Haye Wladdy Klitschkos best win? It is certainly the one of his fights that got the most attention(low bar). Not that I think Haye is as good as Usyk just don't remember the David Haye hate(I was young maybe it was real I dunno).


I don't get calling 6 ft 3 guys small for HW. The weight class was built for people smaller than them this generation just has giants.

 

[Badr Hari]

I mean wasn't Haye Wladdy Klitschkos best win? It is certainly the one of his fights that got the most attention(low bar). Not that I think Haye is as good as Usyk just don't remember the David Haye hate(I was young maybe it was real I dunno).


I don't get calling 6 ft 3 guys small for HW. The weight class was built for people smaller than them this generation just has giants.

Haye was very very good. But Wlad has a deep resume, with better names inside.

 

[Hagler]

Usyk has the footwork and IQ to avoid stepping in the wrong spot at the wrong time and eating the big right IMO. He likely gets the late KO.

 

[CatchnShoot]

My memory of David Haye is ruined by that gruesome fucking leg blowout.

He had speed and tremendous power, but Usyk is a dramatically better technical and tactical fighter, and Haye had a history of choking in the big one.

Easy pick.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Usyk wins a competitive boxing match and then Haye glasses him after the fight. There is no rematch. Haye wins the real fight. Champagne sponsors soon follow and put his face on the bottle. He becomes filthy rich and never has to box again. Legacy cemented.

 

[StopDucking]

I don't get calling 6 ft 3 guys small for HW. The weight class was built for people smaller than them this generation just has giants.

If you're smaller than average, aren't you small by definition?

The average height of NBA players used to be 6'4" in the 1940s. It wasn't small then but it is now since the average height of NBA players is now 6'6".

I just did the math and the average height of top 10 HWs (according to boxrec) is 6'5½". At only 6'3", Usyk is literally the shortest HW in the top 10. All the other HWs in the top 10 are taller than him.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

If you're smaller than average, aren't you small by definition?

The average height of NBA players used to be 6'4" in the 1940s. It wasn't small then but it is now since the average height of NBA players is now 6'6".

I just did the math and the average height of top 10 HWs (according to boxrec) is 6'5½". At only 6'3", Usyk is literally the shortest HW in the top 10. All the other HWs in the top 10 are taller than him.

Not that I disagree with your point but it's worth noting that NBA players back then were measured barefoot and today they are measured with shoes on. So they're nearly the same height despite popular belief (on average).

 

[StopDucking]

Not that I disagree with your point but it's worth noting that NBA players back then were measured barefoot and today they are measured with shoes on. So they're nearly the same height despite popular belief (on average).

That's a good point.

I should have mentioned the average height of American males instead. Since the average height of American males is 5'10", any man who's 5'8" and below would be considered small by definition. Following this logic, a HW boxer like Usyk who's 2.5 inches smaller than average should be considered small.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If you're smaller than average, aren't you small by definition?

The average height of NBA players used to be 6'4" in the 1940s. It wasn't small then but it is now since the average height of NBA players is now 6'6".

I just did the math and the average height of top 10 HWs (according to boxrec) is 6'5½". At only 6'3", Usyk is literally the shortest HW in the top 10. All the other HWs in the top 10 are taller than him.

Usyk is small compared to his contemporaries at heavyweight but in terms of height there are guys that are even shorter. Ruiz Jr. isn't currently rated in BoxRec's or The Ring's Top 10 due to inactivity but he's listed as 6'2. Realistically he's only about 6 feet tall. Chisora isn't a Top 10 contender but he's also a bit shorter than Usyk. His frame however is larger so it's no surprise that he came in a lot heavier than Usyk in their fight. As far as prospects go Richard Torrez is only listed as 6'2.

 

[StopDucking]

Usyk is small compared to his contemporaries at heavyweight but in terms of height there are guys that are even shorter. Ruiz Jr. isn't currently rated in BoxRec's or The Ring's Top 10 due to inactivity but he's listed as 6'2. Realistically he's only about 6 feet tall. Chisora isn't a Top 10 contender but he's also a bit shorter than Usyk. His frame however is larger so it's no surprise that he came in a lot heavier than Usyk in their fight. As far as prospects go Richard Torrez is only listed as 6'2.

There are few guys shorter than Usyk by 1 inch, sure, but there are also a lot of guys taller than him by 2, 3 or 4 inches. Smaller than average doesn't mean you're the smallest, it just mean you're smaller than average. Do I really have to explain the concept of "average"?

What matters is that anyone Usyk can realistically expect to face in the near future will be a lot taller than him. He's not fighting Andy Ruiz or rematching Derek Chisora anytime soon.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

There are few guys shorter than Usyk by 1 inch, sure, but there are also a lot of guys taller than him by 2, 3 or 4 inches. Smaller than average doesn't mean you're the smallest, it just mean you're smaller than average. Do I really have to explain the concept of "average"?

What matters is that anyone Usyk can realistically expect to face in the near future will be a lot taller than him. He's not fighting Andy Ruiz or rematching Derek Chisora anytime soon.

I said in my post that Usyk is definitely considered small compared to the rest of the field today. We don't even have to average it statistically because our eyes tell us that much. He's not only shorter than most but he's the smaller man overall in terms of his frame and weight. His reach is also on the shorter end. The modern day heavyweight average height probably is around 6'5. Somewhere around there anyway.

 

[StopDucking]

I said in my post that Usyk is definitely considered small compared to the rest of the field today. We don't even have to average it statistically because our eyes tell us that much. He's not only shorter than most but he's the smaller man overall in terms of his frame and weight. His reach is also on the shorter end. The modern day heavyweight average height probably is around 6'5. Somewhere around there anyway.

Somewhere around 6'5", yeah. When I did the math a few years ago, it was 6'4½". It became 6'5½" because of a couple more giants cracking the top 10.

Back in Ali's prime, it was 6'1"-6'2". That's why 6'3"-6'4" HWs were considered big.