International Harvard/MIT/Penn Under Congressional Testimony - "Calling for the Genocide of Jews" may not violate hate speech depending on context

[William Munny]

I'm starting to believe that liberalism really is a mental disease

true liberalism, no.

the progressive/leftism we see today?

absolutely. I mean, take a look at this forum..

 

[tastaylvr]

You can't just copy someone else's statements, change a few words, and add it to your work. If you do that you have to put quotation marks around it and present it as the original author did. Anyone that's been to college knows this. And if you didn't know it, the guidelines are in the twitter thread.

Additionally the thread includes even more egregious examples of her plagiarism. But by all means, go back to derping like you're the smartest guy in the room.

Are you serious right now?

She attributes it to the author in the sentence. It is there in the paragraph she wrote. How does she try pass it off as her work when she writes "Bobo and Gillian found"?? It even has "Bobo and Gillian (1990) stands as the most complete research paper" at the top. It's even there in her fucking foot notes. Are you really sitting here and saying she attributed the findings to herself?

You sound like an idiot right now.

You think this random idiot that went to open college is the one genius in the world to find plagiarism when all of Harvard couldn't?

Why do you think there isn't any academics backing this claim?

I don't think you realize how the person you linked even came to this conclusion. He didn't review the paper himself but put it through a general plagiarism finder app and set stupid parameters because he doesn't know what he is doing.

I also don't need to be the smartest person in the room to deal with a person like you who just links twitter comments 24/7 without ever writing your own opinion.

 

[Barteh]

true liberalism, no.

the progressive/leftism we see today?

absolutely. I mean, take a look at this forum..

The crazy thing is they stop believing their own eyes.

Walmart closes a few stores because of theft issues in places that happen to be majority black. Nah bro that's racism.

School libraries have books in sections for young kids with degenerate shit in it that's definitely NOT suited for little kids. Nah bro that's fine. But if a parent wants to quote the books on a board meeting it's too offensive all of a sudden.

It doesn't even make sense anymore. It's not about a different set of morals and civilly disagreeing on certain things. It's just a complete detachment of reality.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I think so.

The daughter is already established as a limousine leftist child of privilege, who also for no reason tries to stir up some shit in a scene prior...OK maybe has a reason.. Likely to get back at Julia Roberts' character for being a bitch. Totally in character and not forced (not being sarcastic)

The dad is actually very wholesome, and the prepper Kevin Bacon character who I thought would be Netflix'd based on the trailer was actually done fairly.

Movie does suffer from a little Nexflix, but it's not terrible because they totally botch the ending after a fairly good buildup, and did play on some real shit.

Don't want to derail further so in closing:

Movie is not woke propaganda
Movie is very average

Appreciate the review, as I do still plan on watching it. I didn’t even know the Obamas were making a movie until My brother in law recommended it yesterday. And then today, I saw that clip and a couple others (trashing Tesla) and a scene with Kevin bacon.

Coincidentally, reported today, attacks by China on our “critical” infrastructure. As if the movie is inoculating us to the eventual Chinese weather balloon EMP the China/Iran Joe Obamden admin have let them already test run a few times. So I am sure you can see how some CTers are ‘avin a go with this one

Elron moose already commenting on this specific clip, will be interesting to see how that internet discussion play out

Just shows you how easy it is to take one clip from something and take it completely out of context.

The twitter and tiktok generation with their short attention span might just be our downfall.

Does this show that tho? Again, I will have to watch the movie, but it seems the context he provided is Julia Roberts character is a bitch (so a white bitch, Karen) and the black girl is a snarky liberal (which we as conservatives easily spot), but is that the character archetype (such as a white Karen) that people will readily be able to identify, or would a group of progressives actually look to that person as someone they relate too.

To tie it all back to the thread, just today, Even after these testimonies in congress, letters, even resignations, evidence of plagerism, and more. Harvard staff come out with an organized letter in support of this person that so many feel should clearly be fired.



Again, I will have to watch the movie, but if my take away is Julia Roberts is a white Karen bitch, and this girl is a far left progressive psycho, all produced by the Obamas. Like, what kind of time line are we living in where that is normal

 

[Scerpi]

Are you serious right now?

She attributes it to the author in the sentence. It is there in the paragraph she wrote. How does she try pass it off as her work when she writes "Bobo and Gillian found"?? It even has "Bobo and Gillian (1990) stands as the most complete research paper" at the top. It's even there in her fucking foot notes. Are you really sitting here and saying she attributed the findings to herself?

You sound like an idiot right now.

You think this random idiot that went to open college is the one genius in the world to find plagiarism when all of Harvard couldn't?

Why do you think there isn't any academics backing this claim?

I don't think you realize how the person you linked even came to this conclusion. He didn't review the paper himself but put it through a general plagiarism finder app and set stupid parameters because he doesn't know what he is doing.

I also don't need to be the smartest person in the room to deal with a person like you who just links twitter comments 24/7 without ever writing your own opinion.

Lol… you still at it?? Gay is a plagiarizing hack

It’s coming apart at the seams

 

[tastaylvr]

@Mr Holmes

Can you admit you were wrong now when her own thesis advisor comes out to correct the clown you linked?

The clown in question made that claim that she plagiarized work from the thesis advisor right under his nose lol.

Harvard President Claudine Gay’s Thesis Adviser Shoots Down Plagiarism Accusation

Prof. Gary King trashed right-wing activists’ allegations that Claudine Gay lifted lines from others’ work, including his own.

www.thedailybeast.com

A high-profile conservative activist who almost single-handedly turned critical race theory into a national flashpoint has now accused embattled Harvard President Claudine Gay of plagiarizing “multiple sections” of her 1997 Ph.D. thesis—a claim which Gay’s own thesis adviser called “absurd” in an interview with The Daily Beast on Monday.

“There’s not a conceivable case that this is plagiarism,” said Prof. Gary King, who explained that Gay’s work underwent extensive review and never provoked even a suggestion of paragraph-pinching in more than a quarter-century. “Her dissertation and every draft I read of it met the highest academic standards.”

On Sunday evening, Christopher Rufo of the right-wing Manhattan Institute took to social media with what he termed “bombshell” evidence that Gay had lifted others’ work as her own while a doctoral student at Harvard. Rufo posted a long thread of side-by-side screenshots on X, formerly Twitter, of the alleged copycat passages, flagging language he deemed problematic.

Rufo called this “a direct violation of Harvard’s policy,” which reads: “When you paraphrase, your task is to distill the source’s ideas in your own words. It’s not enough to change a few words here and there and leave the rest; instead, you must completely restate the ideas in the passage in your own words. If your own language is too close to the original, then you are plagiarizing, even if you do provide a citation.”

Among them, Rufo claims Gay swiped the entire appendix in her dissertation “directly… from Gary King’s book, A Solution to the Ecological Inference Problem.” He argued that Gay “does not explicitly acknowledge that Appendix B is entirely grounded in King’s concepts, instead passing it off as her own original work,” and points to “entire phrases and sentences directly from King’s book, without any citations or quotation marks.”

“In total, Gay borrows material from King in at least half a dozen paragraphs—all in violation of Harvard’s standard on academic integrity,” Rufo wrote.

But King, who served as Gay’s dissertation adviser and runs Harvard’s Institute for Quantitative Social Science, argued that the similarities between his work and his former student’s reflect Gay’s use of a unique and highly specific analytical approach King laid out in his book, A Solution to the Ecological Inference Problem.

“The book that she cites develops a complicated new statistical method, and it describes things in certain ways,” King told The Daily Beast. “It encourages scholars that use the method to describe things in those ways. That’s exactly the point of the book.”

King called Rufo’s claims Gay ripped off material from his book right under his nose in the dissertation “false,” “ridiculous,” and “absurd.”

In his Sunday-night tweet thread, Rufo highlighted two other examples of alleged plagiarism by Gay, claiming she swiped “an entire paragraph nearly verbatim from Lawrence Bobo and Franklin Gilliam’s paper, Race, Sociopolitical Participation, and Black Empowerment, while passing it off as her own paraphrase and language.”

Gay’s paragraph contains some similarities to the 1990 original by Bobo, who is now the dean of the Social Science Department at Harvard, and Gilliam, who is now the chancellor of the University of North Carolina Greensboro. In hers, Gay begins by citing Bobo and Gilliam by name, before going on to describe their research into “high-black-empowerment areas.”

Along the way, certain verbatim phrases that also appear in Bobo and Gilliam’s paper—”white counterparts of comparable socioeconomic status,” “contributing to a more trusting and efficacious orientation,” “greatly increasing black attentiveness to political affairs”—which Rufo argues should have been in quotation marks.

Gay “repeats this violation throughout” her dissertation, further plagiarizing Bobo and Gilliam, along with three others, Rufo and co-author Christopher Brunet allege in a companion article published on the Manhattan Institute website.

King called Rufo’s claims Gay ripped off material from his book right under his nose in the dissertation “false,” “ridiculous,” and “absurd.”

“I find myself unconcerned about these claims as our work was explicitly acknowledged,” Bobo told The Daily Beast via a spokesman late Monday afternoon.

@Scerpi

This post can work as a response to yours as well.

 

[Thrawn33]

Appreciate the review, as I do still plan on watching it. I didn’t even know the Obamas were making a movie until My brother in law recommended it yesterday. And then today, I saw that clip and a couple others (trashing Tesla) and a scene with Kevin bacon.

Coincidentally, reported today, attacks by China on our “critical” infrastructure. As if the movie is inoculating us to the eventual Chinese weather balloon EMP the China/Iran Joe Obamden admin have let them already test run a few times. So I am sure you can see how some CTers are ‘avin a go with this one

Elron moose already commenting on this specific clip, will be interesting to see how that internet discussion play out



Does this show that tho? Again, I will have to watch the movie, but it seems the context he provided is Julia Roberts character is a bitch (so a white bitch, Karen) and the black girl is a snarky liberal (which we as conservatives easily spot), but is that the character archetype (such as a white Karen) that people will readily be able to identify, or would a group of progressives actually look to that person as someone they relate too.

To tie it all back to the thread, just today, Even after these testimonies in congress, letters, even resignations, evidence of plagerism, and more. Harvard staff come out with an organized letter in support of this person that so many feel should clearly be fired.



Again, I will have to watch the movie, but if my take away is Julia Roberts is a white Karen bitch, and this girl is a far left progressive psycho, all produced by the Obamas. Like, what kind of time line are we living in where that is normal

He's not wrong on the twitter/insta/short attention span thing, and how easy it is to sway the instant gratification crowd.

Like I said the movie was average at best. As soon as I saw the trailer and then the Obamas as producers in the opening credits I feared the worst and was looking to tear the movie apart and hate it but it touched on some real stuff and kinda touched on the good and bad parts on every layer of the spectrum.

Thats it I'm done ITT on this topic. Happy to duke it out with my righties and the leftists in another thread.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Are you serious right now?

She attributes it to the author in the sentence. It is there in the paragraph she wrote. How does she try pass it off as her work when she writes "Bobo and Gillian found"?? It even has "Bobo and Gillian (1990) stands as the most complete research paper" at the top. It's even there in her fucking foot notes. Are you really sitting here and saying she attributed the findings to herself?

I just went over this with you. Attributing it them doesn't mean you're free can just copy their direct statements and paste it in your work (unless using quotation marks). If you bothered to read the tweet, it has Harvard's guidelines that also confirm this.

"When you paraphrase, your task is to distill the source’s ideas in your own words. It’s not enough to change a few words here and there and leave the rest; instead, you must completely restate the ideas in the passage in your own words. If your own language is too close to the original, then you are plagiarizing, even if you do provide a citation."
...
According to Harvard’s rules, this would be a violation of the policy on "inadequate paraphrase," which requires that verbatim language be placed in quotations.

You sound like an idiot right now.

You sound like someone that's never been to college.

Why do you think there isn't any academics backing this claim?

Give it time. The news just broke last night. Swain already commented "Gay’s committee, reviewers, and colleagues should have caught these alleged transgressions." <--- this how to do it properly.

I also don't need to be the smartest person in the room to deal with a person like you who just links twitter comments 24/7 without ever writing your own opinion.

I occasionally post relevant updates. Its true I'm not always in the mood to respond to someone that tells me Northern Ireland isn't in Ireland or its okay to copy paragraphs of text and just change a few words.

 

[Broke Lester]

So conservatives believe that speech = hate crimes now? Wow. All it takes is a little media propaganda and you guys completely abandon your principles.

Not all of us, some are immune to propaganda from both sides.

 

[Mr Holmes]

@Mr Holmes

Can you admit you were wrong now when her own thesis advisor comes out to correct the clown you linked?

The clown in question made that claim that she plagiarized work from the thesis advisor right under his nose lol.

Harvard President Claudine Gay’s Thesis Adviser Shoots Down Plagiarism Accusation

Prof. Gary King trashed right-wing activists’ allegations that Claudine Gay lifted lines from others’ work, including his own.

www.thedailybeast.com

@Scerpi

This post can work as a response to yours as well.

From your own article:

But Darren Hick, a philosophy professor at Furman University, isn’t quite ready to give Gay a pass, he told The Daily Beast.

“Plagiarism is an institutional offense, and if Harvard’s policies in 1997 were the same as they are now, then yes, this looks like plagiarism,” said Hick, who recently gained a degree of fame after warning about students using AI to cheat without getting caught.

 

[mjfan23]

Cancel culture on steroids when it comes to the nation (Israel) with the worst documented record of human rights abuse.

The more people learn about this conflict the more it exposes flaws in each side( both the protesting Palestinians and the insecure cancel culture leaders) and more people realize how much blood they both have on their hands and how hopeless the Middle East peace process actually is.

By silencing these voices and platforms so openly they are only drawing a larger spotlight on the matters and losing further moral ground.

 

[kflo]

Cancel culture on steroids when it comes to the nation (Israel) with the worst documented record of human rights abuse.

The more people learn about this conflict the more it exposes flaws in each side( both the protesting Palestinians and the insecure cancel culture leaders) and more people realize how much blood they both have on their hands and how hopeless the Middle East peace process actually is.

By silencing these voices and platforms so openly they are only drawing a larger spotlight on the matters and losing further moral ground.

how do you think israel compares to say syria in terms of human rights? iran? where would you feel more comfortable visiting or living? just wondering.....

 

[mjfan23]

how do you think israel compares to say syria in terms of human rights? iran? where would you feel more comfortable visiting or living? just wondering.....

Go wonder at the relevant global forum.

The world votes on it with changing members, results are pretty much the same always!

Opinion of a genocide supporting, terrorist sympathizing, holocaust denying, trolling, hate promoting, potential bots, racist, sexist, sheeple, cult member etc (I hope I covered all sherdoggers) person or two on a karate forum are not > the global nations official vote on it.


Also cool side step of the actual message which was: cancel culture, silencing of voices yet drawing even more un intended attention to the conversation they are trying to silence.

 

[kflo]

Go wonder at the relevant global forum.

The world votes on it with changing members, results are pretty much the same always!

Opinion of a genocide supporting, terrorist sympathizing, holocaust denying, trolling, hate promoting, potential bots, racist, sexist, sheeple, cult member etc (I hope I covered all sherdoggers) person or two on a karate forum are not > the global nations official vote on it.


Also cool side step of the actual message which was: cancel culture, silencing of voices yet drawing even more un intended attention to the conversation they are trying to silence.

it's pretty clear why you won't answer that easy question. it's a softball. but you'll abstain......

lol at "global nations official vote".........

 

[mjfan23]

it's pretty clear why you won't answer that easy question. it's a softball. but you'll abstain......

lol at "global nations official vote".........

I am glad it’s clear that I can’t answer your question cause I haven’t been to either of countries you mentioned. SMH

but thank you for confirming your level of intelligence by suggesting the world governing body < genocide validating sherdogger KFLO’s opinion.

 

[kflo]

I am glad it’s clear that I can’t answer your question cause I haven’t been to either of countries you mentioned. SMH

but thank you for confirming your level of intelligence by suggesting the world governing body < genocide validating sherdogger KFLO’s opinion.

maybe this can help you.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2023-01/human-freedom-index-2022.pdf

this has israel in the top 40%. syria is the worst. and it's pretty obvious that it's not close.

again, it's a softball question, that you'll abstain, and instead try to insist your position is correct.

EDIT: here's a different source, same (obvious) conclusion

https://web.uri.edu/artsci/wp-content/uploads/sites/1132/2023-Human-Rights-report-PDF-Final.pdf

 

[Lord_Impaler]

Of course not, but even so, his comment clearly illustrates the cognitive dissonance these people are going through. Not trump, Rudy, or even far right terrorists like Alex jones and Elon musk. Mainstream voices are coming out against the progressive left, way more so than they have ever against the MAGA base.

Influential people coming out of the wood work calling out these progressive freaks. Been saying since BLM when I started posting in this sub forum that it is not about typical politics, it is a cultural fight now, where in society going. More and more of society is waking up and realizing that, hey, maybe these people who love America and want a strong society, have a point. Imagine even having to make an argument like that.

Meanwhile, the Obamas literally produce a movie saying depicting an apocalypse and not to trust white people.

You’re not suppose to like the black girl, she’s a caricature of a far left progressive cunt. Just like the mom is a caricature of a “Karen”.

 

[mjfan23]

maybe this can help you.

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2023-01/human-freedom-index-2022.pdf

this has israel in the top 40%. syria is the worst. and it's pretty obvious that it's not close.

again, it's a softball question, that you'll abstain, and instead try to insist your position is correct.

Whats obvious is again : you for confirming your level of intelligence by suggesting the world governing body < genocide validating sherdogger KFLO’s opinion.

For the last time: your question about the countries i would rather live in amongst those three- I can’t comment cause I haven’t been to either. Israel could be a great place to live and work in as could Iran and Syria, or they could be warzones or open air jails.

But even if this was a legitimate question that me and my family were considering in real life: i still haven’t been there, I can only go based on the world opinion on it, local personal or professional supports, language barriers, social network, proximity to North America, cultural alignment, healthcare, weather and earning potential etc If I was to guess my initial criteria.

Jewish people have obviously had it tough. Just cause we supported their settlement in Israel doesn’t mean we didn’t wrong them or drive them there in the first place. ‘No Jews allowed’ business signage and publicly funded transport images can still be found with a quick search, even for my own locality! I vividly recall the animosity that resurfaced when Mel Gibson decided to attribute Jesus ‘s sacrifice/killing to Jews which is not factually confirmable but it ignited a flame of hate. I firmly believe antisemitism training should be mandated in our schools, people don’t realize how ok it’s been to target Jews for the longest stretch of time.

But calling Israel the country( a member of the UN) and its policies out on its UN documented human right atrocities is common sense. Just cause you don’t like gang violence in the south side of Chicago doesn’t mean you oppose Black Lives Matter.

 

[Zen Master]

Radical zionists sure get triggered whenever they get called out for being anti free speech and pro government censorship.

Radical zionists want the federal government to censor free speech on private institutions (college campuses, companies, etc.) just because it is speech that they don't like.

 

[kflo]

Whats obvious is again : you for confirming your level of intelligence by suggesting the world governing body < genocide validating sherdogger KFLO’s opinion.

For the last time: your question about the countries i would rather live in amongst those three- I can’t comment cause I haven’t been to either. Israel could be a great place to live and work in as could Iran and Syria, or they could be warzones or open air jails.

But even if this was a legitimate question that me and my family were considering in real life: i still haven’t been there, I can only go based on the world opinion on it, local personal or professional supports, language barriers, social network, proximity to North America, cultural alignment, healthcare, weather and earning potential etc If I was to guess my initial criteria.

Jewish people have obviously had it tough. Just cause we supported their settlement in Israel doesn’t mean we didn’t wrong them or drive them there in the first place. ‘No Jews allowed’ business signage and publicly funded transport images can still be found with a quick search, even for my own locality! I vividly recall the animosity that resurfaced when Mel Gibson decided to attribute Jesus ‘s sacrifice/killing to Jews which is not factually confirmable but it ignited a flame of hate. I firmly believe antisemitism training should be mandated in our schools, people don’t realize how ok it’s been to target Jews for the longest stretch of time.

But calling Israel the country( a member of the UN) and its policies out on its UN documented human right atrocities is common sense. Just cause you don’t like gang violence in the south side of Chicago doesn’t mean you oppose Black Lives Matter.

you're dismissing the links i provided. not my opinion. actual research based rankings of human rights and freedoms. israel ranking closer to the top than the bottom.