International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[kflo]

I don't think it's a good idea to organise free elections in Gaza anytime soon..

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

They just want peace……

 

[kflo]

Finally we get the real story from the good guys!

 

[Snubnoze707]

They just want peace……

I certainly wouldn't if I experienced what they've been experiencing at the hands of Israel.

Blowing up someones child probably isn't the greatest olive branch...

 

[kflo]

I certainly wouldn't if I experienced what they've been experiencing at the hands of Israel.

Blowing up someones child probably isn't the greatest olive branch...

Sign you up for generations more of the same……..

 

[Snubnoze707]

Sign you up for generations more of the same……..

That's Israel's fault.

 

[kflo]

That's Israel's fault.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Is that the best argument you can present? Whataboutism? You didn't even address every single one of my arguments.


I'm not impressed by your performance.

I presented plenty of arguments. Like I said, people are free to read our exchange here and draw their own conclusions. Someone as far gone as you are can't be rehabilitated.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Funny how you omit all the terrorist actions done by Jewish groups such as the Haganah and Irgun to put pressure on the British to give in to their demands.

The Night of the Bridges (formally Operation Markolet) was a Haganah venture on the night of 16 to 17 June 1946 in the British Mandate of Palestine, as part of the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–7). Its aim was to destroy eleven bridges linking Mandatory Palestine to the neighboring countries Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan and Egypt, in order to suspend the transportation routes used by the British Army.

The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization the Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured

He's read just enough to validate his bloodlust.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Sign you up for generations more of the same……..

he almost gets it

 

[Anewt]

I don't think it's a good idea to organise free elections in Gaza anytime soon..

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

I wish they'd include a link to the poll. Or even at the very least say who did the poll

 

[Strychnine]

I was so naïve to think the UN would help us uncover Hamas’ rape atrocities’​

Dr Cochav Elkayam-Levy stands near posters of Israeli hostages captured by Hamas, in Modi'in, Israel -


"It is not beholden on the commission to prove anything in a court of law, as is the case with the international war crimes tribunal. Its remit is confined to logging and verifying testimonies. This mission to build such an archive of crimes against humanity in a country founded after the Holocaust echoes a similar collective responsibility never to forget.


She has received death threats from pro-Palestinian individuals and organisations. There have been threats to the lives of her children. “I live in fear.” But still she carries on: “I have so many meetings, so many people who feel this is important. I need to find a balance and at some point, I will find a balance, not to completely drain my powers but I feel things are so important and [I worry] that in a few months people might not be as interested as they are now. I feel like I need to do this, I feel obligated.”

The commission’s work is built on oral, video and written accounts; trawling through evidence, every video, every Hamas live stream, every detail of reported torture, eyewitness accounts, second-hand pieces of information, the recollections of first responders, morgue workers and forensic pathologists handling the bodies. Some report crushed pelvic bones from multiple rapes, genitals mutilated with nails and bullets, breasts cut off, legs broken, limbs charred. In the months and years to come, the commission’s information-gathering will move towards interviewing surviving victims although it is far too early for that, explains Elkayam-Levy. The trauma is too deep.

“The most difficult part is when people start sending photographs of girls to my phone saying, ‘This is a picture of the girl before she died’. There is a difference between pieces of information coming in [about an atrocity] and then we start to get names [and identities] of those women and girls. We started to get pictures coming in of 21-year-old Girl Scout leader, and my daughter is in the Girl Scouts,” Elkayam-Levy says. "

MSN

U.S. educated Dr. in Israel documenting the rapes and crimes against humanity that Hamas committed on Oct. 7th. The U.N. was idling so she took action. More at the link above.

 

[Anewt]

I was so naïve to think the UN would help us uncover Hamas’ rape atrocities’​

Dr Cochav Elkayam-Levy stands near posters of Israeli hostages captured by Hamas, in Modi'in, Israel -


"It is not beholden on the commission to prove anything in a court of law, as is the case with the international war crimes tribunal. Its remit is confined to logging and verifying testimonies. This mission to build such an archive of crimes against humanity in a country founded after the Holocaust echoes a similar collective responsibility never to forget.


She has received death threats from pro-Palestinian individuals and organisations. There have been threats to the lives of her children. “I live in fear.” But still she carries on: “I have so many meetings, so many people who feel this is important. I need to find a balance and at some point, I will find a balance, not to completely drain my powers but I feel things are so important and [I worry] that in a few months people might not be as interested as they are now. I feel like I need to do this, I feel obligated.”

The commission’s work is built on oral, video and written accounts; trawling through evidence, every video, every Hamas live stream, every detail of reported torture, eyewitness accounts, second-hand pieces of information, the recollections of first responders, morgue workers and forensic pathologists handling the bodies. Some report crushed pelvic bones from multiple rapes, genitals mutilated with nails and bullets, breasts cut off, legs broken, limbs charred. In the months and years to come, the commission’s information-gathering will move towards interviewing surviving victims although it is far too early for that, explains Elkayam-Levy. The trauma is too deep.

“The most difficult part is when people start sending photographs of girls to my phone saying, ‘This is a picture of the girl before she died’. There is a difference between pieces of information coming in [about an atrocity] and then we start to get names [and identities] of those women and girls. We started to get pictures coming in of 21-year-old Girl Scout leader, and my daughter is in the Girl Scouts,” Elkayam-Levy says. "

MSN

U.S. educated Dr. in Israel documenting the rapes and crimes against humanity that Hamas committed on Oct. 7th. The U.N. was idling so she took action. More at the link above.

So basically she is recording every accusation against hamas regardless of veracity or proof?..

I'm confused

 

[Strychnine]

So basically she is recording every accusation against hamas regardless of veracity or proof?..

I'm confused

Please read the article.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Israeli’s have no issue sharing borders with Arab / Muslims (or even sharing citizenship). It’s the ones that want to eradicate them that they have an issue with.

See that’s false. The Israeli government is already shopping the idea around of not allowing the people of Gaza to return, and they are using dummy bombs to brutalize the masses there. These two things show they do have a problem with the people they are living next to.




They have one of the best militaries in the world where they have specialized weapons to take out heads of terrorist organizations yet they have been killing 95% of civilians when they have the capability to target.


The head of the Israeli government is making it clear to world by actually speaking his vision out loud: there can never be a Palestinian state, only a greater Israel. He’s proud to have sabotaged the talks of peace at Oslo in the 90s. Anyone who is against a two state solution must support Hamas

 

[iwannabeadored]

Well, Israel is working on the Hamas part.

Despite the calls to stop (which would keep hamas in power).

as for what solution the palestinian people and their supporters would accept? We’ll see - I’m not optimistic that they will denounce terror and choose peace and accept israel and their right to exist as a Jewish state.

Does peace =the peace we see in the West Bank with no Hamas? Because I’m sure the Palestinians don’t agree to that sort of peace.

Will Israelis accept Palestine and their right to live freely and exist and denounce terror from their own country?

you try to paint a picture that if there was no Hamas there would be peace, that everything would be just fine and dandy but that’s just not true

 

[Anewt]

Please read the article.

I did. It's precisely why I asked if their goal is just record everything with no requirements of proof.

“We have a historical mission,” Elkayam-Levy explains to me. “We are not a prosecution [vehicle]. We are not an investigation. We have a different role. We are keeping all accounts, even the smallest piece of information, just a sentence perhaps that comes in about a young woman, [logged on a form] for historical purposes, to make sure that the voices of women will be heard, that this information will be kept diligently, in the most dedicated way. [The aim] is to establish an archive under the [strictest] international standard.”

It is not beholden on the commission to prove anything in a court of law, as is the case with the international war crimes tribunal. Its remit is confined to logging and verifying testimonies. This mission to build such an archive of crimes against humanity in a country founded after the Holocaust echoes .


I mean sure log every allegation and accusation. Should be happening for every part of the conflict. But if you aren't a investigation at the least how is it possibly verified


( it's why I'm confused and asked )

 

[The_Renaissance]

Women and children are the main victims of the Israel-Hamas war with 16,000 killed, UN says​

BY EDITH M. LEDERER
Updated 12:10 AM BRT, January 20, 2024

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Women and children are the main victims in the Israel-Hamas war, with some 16,000 killed and an estimated two mothers losing their lives every hour since Hamas’ surprise attack on Israel, the United Nations agency promoting gender equality said Friday.

As a result of the more than 100-day conflict, UN Women added, at least 3,000 women may have become widows and heads of households and at least 10,000 children may have lost their fathers.
In a report released Friday, the agency pointed to gender inequality and the burden on women fleeing the fighting with children and being displaced again and again. Of the territory’s 2.3 million population, it said, 1.9 million are displaced and “close to one million are women and girls” seeking shelter and safety.

UN Women’s executive director, Sima Bahous, said this is “a cruel inversion” of fighting during the 15 years before the Hamas attack on Oct. 7. Previously, she said, 67% of all civilians killed in Gaza and the West Bank were men and less then 14% were women.

She echoed U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres’ calls for a humanitarian cease-fire and the immediate release of all hostages taken captive in Israel on Oct. 7.

“However much we mourn the situation of the women and girls of Gaza today, we will mourn further tomorrow without unrestricted humanitarian assistance and an end to the destruction and killing,” Bahous said in a statement accompanying the report.

“These women and girls are deprived of safety, medicine, health care, and shelter. They face imminent starvation and famine. Most of all they are deprived of hope and justice,” she said.

The health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza says nearly 25,000 Palestinians have been killed in the conflict, 70% of them women and children. The United Nations says more than a half million people in Gaza — a quarter of the population — are starving.

In Israel, around 1,200 people were killed during the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas that sparked the war, and some 250 people were taken hostage by militants. More than 100 hostages are believed to still be held captive in Gaza.

Bahous said UN Women had heard “shocking accounts of unconscionable sexual violence during the attacks” by Hamas, and she echoed U.N. calls for accountability, justice and support for all those affected.

Despite escalating hostilities in Gaza, the agency said women-led and women’s rights organizations continue to operate. It found that 83% of women’s organizations surveyed in the Gaza Strip are at least partially operational, mainly focusing on the emergency response to the war.

But UN Women said its analysis of funding from last year’s flash appeal for Gaza found that just 0.09% of funding went directly to national or local women’s rights organizations.

Bahous said there is a need for much more aid to get to Gaza, especially to women and children, and for an end to the war.

“This is a time for peace,” she said. “We owe this to all Israeli and Palestinian women and girls. This is not their conflict. They must no longer pay its price.”

https://apnews.com/article/women-ch...n-inequality-f0f89a724543b99c2c22439e7af09405

Where are all the Palestinian Men?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

I presented plenty of arguments. Like I said, people are free to read our exchange here and draw their own conclusions. Someone as far gone as you are can't be rehabilitated.

I've refuted your claims about apartheid and "Jewish colonization" and the best argument you can present is "You're talking in circles" and "Whataboutism!"

You're just talking out of your ass, ya silly goose. Just give it up already.

 

[kflo]

See that’s false. The Israeli government is already shopping the idea around of not allowing the people of Gaza to return,

Like I said, they border Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon already. They have a tougher time dealing with the ones who want them eradicated and act on it.

and they are using dummy bombs to brutalize the masses there. These two things show they do have a problem with the people they are living next to.

Again, more misinformation.

Amid outcry over civilian casualties in Gaza, experts note Israel's so-called 'dumb bombs' can be used with precision​

So-called "dumb bombs" can be deployed in conjunction with dive bombing to improve accuracy, according to experts.

The unguided, so-called "dumb bombs" used by Israel in Gaza can achieve heightened accuracy when deployed in conjunction with dive bombing and other tactics, experts tell ABC News -- an issue that has come to the forefront amid the outcry over mounting civilian casualties there.

Roughly 40-45% of the air-to-ground munitions used by Israel in Gaza have been unguided, so-called "dumb bombs," a U.S. official confirmed to ABC News, summarizing the findings of an American intelligence report. The rest of the bombs have been precision-guided munitions, the assessment added. Israel's rate of "dumb bomb" usage was first reported by CNN on Thursday.

The numbers assessed by the U.S. intelligence report would suggest a historically high level of precision weapons usage in urban warfare, according to ABC News contributor Steve Ganyard, a former State Department official and Marine Corps fighter pilot.

"Precision weapons are expensive and in short supply compared to 'dumb' bombs, but if Israel is using precision aerial weapons 55-60% of the time, then that is more than any country in the history of urban warfare," Ganyard said.

Furthermore, experts and U.S. officials told ABC News there are tactics that can be used to drop these weapons, which are more neutrally referred to as "unguided munitions," with precision, and to largely avoid needlessly killing or injuring civilians.
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They have one of the best militaries in the world where they have specialized weapons to take out heads of terrorist organizations yet they have been killing 95% of civilians when they have the capability to target.

you’re again completely making up 95%. you think they can eliminate Hamas by just taking out “heads of terrorist organization”?

The head of the Israeli government is making it clear to world by actually speaking his vision out loud: there can never be a Palestinian state, only a greater Israel. He’s proud to have sabotaged the talks of peace at Oslo in the 90s. Anyone who is against a two state solution must support Hamas

He wasn’t saying that before 10/7, as I linked.

I’ll repeat it:

[netanyahu] settled on the idea that he’d be open to a Palestinian state - as long as it has no military or security power, an arrangement that would have no parallel among modern sovereign states.

“I’m certainly willing to have them have all the powers that they need to govern themselves, but none of the powers that can threaten us,” Netanyahu told Tapper in Jerusalem on Tuesday.

He did provide some new details about his conversations with President Biden on the matter, explaining he once told Biden, “[A]ny final agreement between Israel and the Palestinians would have Israel controlling security – overriding security responsibility in the area west of the Jordan.

Blinken visit reaches new urgency as Israeli, Palestinian tensions boil
“I said, you can’t divide who controls the airspace [between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean]. You have to cross it. It takes two minutes for an airplane to cross it. So what, one minute Israel controls it and the other minute the Palestinians? Of course, it’s not workable.

“He said to me, as others have said to me – ‘you know, but that’s not perfect sovereignty.’

“And I said, you’re right. But – I don’t know what you’d call it, but it gives them the opportunity to control their lives, to elect their officials, to run their economy, to run their institutions, to have their flag and to have their parliament, but we have to have overriding security control.”

 

[SummerStriker]

How is Yemen's blockade holding up? I wish the USA had the guts to protest genocide with a badass blockade.