Social Religious 'Nones' are now the largest single group in the U.S.

Well..... you do know that most folks going into a stretch try to join a club asap, right?

I'd want to dig past surface info and see if the people were aligned as religious prior to incarceration.

Still, I do know that the stereotype is that if you are religious, you are less intelligent, and if you are less intelligent you are more likely to commit crimes, and even more likely to get caught doing the dirt.

I do find that to be a pretty dramatic over simplification, but still, I'd be disappointed if those correlations turn out to be accurate. In my own experience intelligent folks are just as likely to do crime... albeit a different set of crimes, and I do find that there are a great many very intelligent folks that believe in a higher power, regardless of the particular deity or sect.

Moreover, what is the likelihood of getting sent to jail for fraud vs for GTA for example? That also skews the numbers...relative prosecution rates.
The guy stealing cars is going to jail, Donnie Trump will pay a fine. Both criminals, but only one of them gets sent up. I believe Trump (although he proclaims differently) is an atheist...well, or the Antichrist tbh. In any case, he is no Christian.

In any case, I haven't really thought about this stuff, so I could be entirely wrong.
I think it has less to do with intelligence and more to do with atheists fearing man made laws more and questioning everything. To be an atheist you’ve probably had to question your own belief system and also face your own family. That means peer pressure is less likely to affect this group and that inner dialogue they have is going to help them from committing crimes in the heat if the moment. Just my opinion though
 
This will continue to be a thing, and doesnt bother me as a person of faith. More people have dropped the act of pretending to be Christian, and that is good for both the religious community and secular society

Gone should be the days of bible thumping when you can't follow a single core tenet of your own religious teachings. The religious communities should become close communities. Like the Mormons, Mennonites or amish. If secular society is indeed superior, than let us witness how superior it is from our communities. The main issue I see is the delllusion that we can somehow forge this country back into a Christian nation once again. In our current form, that will not happen
 
I count atheists in the 'believers' group. They just believe 100% there's no god.

I'm in the logical group; the whole god thing doesn't make sense, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

Think about what's in the bible, only things that could be seen with the naked eye back then. We've discovered so much more, but why no mention? Hmmm........
 
It always blows my mind that this number isn't higher. Almost no one I know is religious. Typically just older people and minorities.
 
I count atheists in the 'believers' group. They just believe 100% there's no god.

I'm in the logical group; the whole god thing doesn't make sense, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

Think about what's in the bible, only things that could be seen with the naked eye back then. We've discovered so much more, but why no mention? Hmmm........
I USED to be agnostic, but then I decided I did t like fence spokes jammed up my arse, gave my balls a tug, and got on with adulting....You know, 15 is a precious age.
 
Ah yes. The great atheist America. Where children are being mentally and chemically abused to make them believe they aren’t what they actually are. Also, people cheering on killing innocent life. What a great future you atheists are making for weirdos and child abusers. Smdh
 
Religion is used for children and developing populations as a way to guide them in morality thats based on doctrine from a millennia ago.

South Park got this topic right. Even if religion didnt exist humanity would still find topics to create divides in our current mental state.
 
Fair enough. Then I stand by the rest of my post and would add that his "relationship with religion" is what is helping bring independents and moderates over to the conservative movement and helping take back the culture war. It is shifting the focus off religion causing the culture war, and that perhaps it is actually the left causing it. Regardless, he is shifting the focus on to actual policy, how it impacts our society and kids, regardless of religion, where it always should be. And that wanting traditional, American, family values is not being "religious right", it is being American. Hell, a lot, if not the majority of religious people are not even political.

Take Miami-dade for exmple where Hispanics, many of who are religious, but more socially liberal and tended to vote democrat, or didn't vote at all. They pushed him to win FL easy in 2020 and now even the Miami School board is red, that is all on Trump. People may try to give Desantis credit, but these same people overwhelmingly support Trump. I feel a lot of "nones" are similar socially and now finding themselves politically aligned with these types of Hispanics in Miami-dade over the last few years.

That being said, I think the abortion issue was too toxic in 2022, especially states pushing 6 weeks, lindsay graham pushing federal abortion law right before the election without much discussion, etc. But Trump has recently floated in some interviews and even a couple rallies a 15 week, with exceptions message that even hasn't lost him any support of the religious right, and actually a lot of non-religious people are OK with. I do think Trump can be the one to bridge this issue.

As a tangent, for devote religious people supporting Trump, despite not coming off as the most devote person, I would say Trump's platform, even much more so than someone like George Bush, reflects their values and appeals to them, and how Trump speaks and fights for them. Someone who is devote is able to see someone who may not be devote or even religious at all be a tool for god to work. I think that is why religious voters who may not have voted before, even for Bush, are now starting to come out to vote.

That is why Trump for 74 million in 2020 and will get 85 million in 2024

Growing up, I never even contemplated religion, but by my early 20's I would have considered myself agnostic, believing in some sort of karma-like force, but would have considered myself liberal, though never political. As you say, having kids did make me start becoming progressively more conservative in my personal values, and then seeing the #BLM shit, and since then seeing the stuff in schools, etc, has only reinforced that and becoming political. Now, as I am exposed to more conservative voices, many of who bring up religion, starting to wish my parents were religious and made me go to church, that may have been a good thing.
Yeah, that's great and all, except all of it exists solely in your head. It's a fantasy. He got mollywhopped by Biden among the "Nones" in 2020. They actually supported Biden far more robustly than Clinton. He was actually less popular with this group than any Republican candidate in 20 years.
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He's not bringing over anyone areligious over because they are more attracted to his feigned Christianity and pro-Christian policies. Independent breakaways have nothing to do with that. It's because the core Republican voters are becoming less religious. They care about adhering to marriage less. They care about "traditional" marriage less (i.e. gay marriage). They care about prohibiting abortion less. They care about nuclear families less. They care about charity and volunteerism less. They care about maintaining a strong and well-funded Church less; a church that, while separate from the state, maintains a check on the state's power as an institutional lobby. In fact, they increasingly believe the Church should not play a role in helping to mold policy. All of these classic positons associated with religious belief, specifically Christian belief, are eroding, and that is showing up even among those who identify as Republican.

So, everything you just said is wrong. But otherwise, yeah, sure. Spot on analysis. Not a deluded fanboyist take.
 
LOL, TDS, get the fuck out of here, dumbass. He's the most recent Republican President and the current leading candidate. The party has coalesced around his personality and platform. So to discuss his relationship to religion within the context of the Republican party couldn't be more relevant. To discuss party attitudes towards religion is what gives this a political context, why this thread is in the WR, and not the Mayberry.

You can't post about religion in the Mayberry.
 
It's weird to see the contention from many conservatives that Government must be "replacing God" in the eyes of people without religious affiliation. As if people arent capable of not worshipping institutions, or the idea that humans are capable of not needing to worship anything is incomprehensible.
Probably because you prove over and over that's the case. You've fallen for a cheap replica of leftist religion, complete with original sin, and slavery has literally been called "original sin", as well as industrialization, you believe in repentance and collective punishment, doomsday predictions where the sun monster seeks his revenge and will end the world unless you offer sacrifice, you treat corporate media as prophets, the government as your savior, and you all display the creepy LGBTQ flag as a religious symbol.

Sorry to inform you, you are a religious zealot far more extreme than Christians in this country.
 
Probably because you prove over and over that's the case. You've fallen for a cheap replica of leftist religion, complete with original sin, and slavery has literally been called "original sin", as well as industrialization, you believe in repentance and collective punishment, doomsday predictions where the sun monster seeks his revenge and will end the world unless you offer sacrifice, you treat corporate media as prophets, the government as your savior, and you all display the creepy LGBTQ flag as a religious symbol.

Sorry to inform you, you are a religious zealot far more extreme than Christians in this country.

Lol

 
Yeah, that's great and all, except all of it exists solely in your head. It's a fantasy. He got mollywhopped by Biden among the "Nones" in 2020. They actually supported Biden far more robustly than Clinton. He was actually less popular with this group than any Republican candidate in 20 years.
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He's not bringing over anyone areligious over because they are more attracted to his feigned Christianity and pro-Christian policies. Independent breakaways have nothing to do with that. It's because the core Republican voters are becoming less religious. They care about adhering to marriage less. They care about "traditional" marriage less (i.e. gay marriage). They care about prohibiting abortion less. They care about nuclear families less. They care about charity and volunteerism less. They care about maintaining a strong and well-funded Church less; a church that, while separate from the state, maintains a check on the state's power as an institutional lobby. In fact, they increasingly believe the Church should not play a role in helping to mold policy. All of these classic positons associated with religious belief, specifically Christian belief, are eroding, and that is showing up even among those who identify as Republican.

So, everything you just said is wrong. But otherwise, yeah, sure. Spot on analysis. Not a deluded fanboyist take.

lol. Trump got 74 million in 2020, he is going to get 85 million 2024. If nothing else, this post shows you did not want actual discussion in this thread, and just highlights your ever present TDS. You bring up Republican voters are becoming less religious and more open to other values which is exactly what I was saying.

That is also why the only person you have responded to ITT is me. You were just wanting an excuse to rage post and try and argue with someone, trying to cope with your cognitive dissonance that you voted for Biden and you’re hatred for Trump is completely unfounded, lmfaooooo

Again folks, TDS is real, even with these soft wannabe conservatives
 
I think you're playing fast and loose with the distinctions here. The sectors of Christianity would trump the "nones", alone. You got one group that makes up an ultimate "no religion" group, but conveniently split apart religious sects to make the "nones" absolute stance seem like a majority collective.

This should really just be religious vs non-religious. The non-religious are getting their asses kicked as usual.
 
Not surprising when you take a look around.

Exactly.

When the most prominent republicans fuck porn stars and lie about it, and every christian like yourself gets in line to excuse it, well it sends a clear message that religion is dead.

Perhaps if you chaps actually followed your faith instead of cloaking yourself in a fake righteousness, your congregations wouldn't be fleeing in droves.
 
You realize the vast majority of felons are god believers? How many atheists are locked up?
Yeah, yeah. They're probably liberals too. Stalin was an atheist. Shitty people aren't exclusive to one team or the other.

I'm not religious either so I'm not going to preach about it other than to say it was something that used to bring a community together. It was something that gave people a moral code to live by, something sorely lacking today.
 
Exactly.

When the most prominent republicans fuck porn stars and lie about it, and every christian like yourself gets in line to excuse it, well it sends a clear message that religion is dead.

Perhaps if you chaps actually followed your faith instead of cloaking yourself in a fake righteousness, your congregations wouldn't be fleeing in droves.
Thanks for agreeing me, thinking you were being clever.

I don't control people. I can't control what Trump does. Just because I agree with the man on many issues doesn't mean he's my god.
 
Thanks for agreeing me, thinking you were being clever.

I don't control people. I can't control what Trump does. Just because I agree with the man on many issues doesn't mean he's my god.

The point was that christians like yourself are to blame for the decline of the faithful in America. You've had your chances to critique sin. And if it involved a member of your party, you balked every time. People on the fence see this, and they walk the other way.

Now are you really going to tell us that your snarky comment was meant as a critique of these christians? Are the words "Thou shall not lie," utterly meaningless to you folk now?
 
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