Crime Another Harvard plagiarism scandal - this time it's the chief diversity commissar

[Loiosh]

you're the most racist poster in this forum, by far. obviously you have different standards based on skin color.

Please explain how I'm racist.

I get that your main tool is "I know you are but what am I" but I'm going to need you to be more specific.

 

[Hog-train]

If you say so. I don't know enough about DEI implementation to speak on the topic effectively and definitely don't know what that position contributes.

I just know that white people fucking hate when anyone does anything for black people, so I don't expect many logical takes on the issue on Sherdog.

You constantly crying about "woe is me - poor black people" is as tiresome as the "woe is me - poor white people" schtick MAGA morons do. I'm not black or white and I'm getting real tired of race hustlers.

You were the one complaining that Claudine Gay resigned due to being black. No it wasn't. It was so freaking obvious it was her comments on the Jewish issue. But to you, everything is about being black. You have blinders on.

Not everything is about being black.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Please explain how I'm racist.

I get that your main tool is "I know you are but what am I" but I'm going to need you to be more specific.

you're the one treating every black person like they're a child constantly needing protection, intervention, excuses for when they fuck up. you're infantilizing an entire race of people who would probably tell you to fuck off with your white savior shit.
you're absolutely cringe. i keep telling myself to ignore your posts and i sometimes relapse. i will do my best from now on.

 

[Seano]

Please explain how I'm racist.

I get that your main tool is "I know you are but what am I" but I'm going to need you to be more specific.

You may not be but you clearly get a jolly from acting as though you are and then play dumb about it. I don't take it seriously because it became clear a long time ago to me that its just you trying to get a reaction to amuse yourself.

 

[BearGrounds]

Why do places even have chief diversity officers? What is their function?

Ideological subversion.

It's painfully obvious, but people just don't want to see it because "herp derp you're a CTer"!"

 

[Loiosh]

You may not be but you clearly get a jolly from acting as though you are and then play dumb about it. I don't take it seriously because it became clear a long time ago to me that its just you trying to get a reaction to amuse yourself.

That's completely untrue. I have blood pressure issues and many of these clashes are pretty unhealthy for me, in fact it could be argued they're killing me.

I make observations I sincerely believe are true. I don't think any less of white people, while I think some white people are racist as hell. I don't think for a second white people are the only racists, but on a political forum where white supremacy is such an important issue it's pretty relevant.

 

[Loiosh]

you're the one treating every black person like they're a child constantly needing protection, intervention, excuses for when they fuck up. you're infantilizing an entire race of people who would probably tell you to fuck off with your white savior shit.
you're absolutely cringe. i keep telling myself to ignore your posts and i sometimes relapse. i will do my best from now on.

That's a straw man, I don't do this. That's a conservative talking point to deflect from any recognition maybe America owes something to a community they oppressed for century. A community they oppressed in my lifetime. Even now. This isn't infantilization, it's honesty.

Nothing in what I say suggests black people are any less capable, I'm saying they deserve the same opportunities everyone else gets and maybe some more to make up for the centuries of racism.

I never call myself a savior, that's conservative speak.

 

[HereticBD]

That's a straw man, I don't do this.

Oh', you absolutely do. If there's one thing you love doing more than anything, it's treating black people like helpless little children, who need self loathing white people like yourself to help them. It gives you a sense of purpose in your sad little life.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

That's a straw man, I don't do this.

that's all you do.

 

[RoastBeast]

Well, studies show the most diverse companies are the most successful. But that “diversity” includes Asians who are lovingly discriminated against by dei. Also, it’s the giant ass, most successful companies that can afford to take chances because….diversity

Correlation is not causation. Hiring the best people for the job makes companies successful. The myth that the left likes to spread is that hiring for diversity means that companies can now expand into new markets but when you think about it, how many jobs involve the employee having opportunities to expand the company into new markets? Sales, marketing? That's not a large percentage of the workforce. The vast majority of jobs have nothing to do with market expansion. It really doesn't matter what color the people working in the Amazon warehouses are. If the people working can get the products processed and sent out in a timely manner, then that's going to make Amazon more profitable.

 

[degoj99]

Are you digging thirty years into his history or does he get a pass because he's a white man?

And do you actually give a flying fuck about this degree of plagiarism or is it only relevant because she's a black woman? Absolutely nothing that was found reached the level of malicious or theft and it's a standard that is never punished.

Are you aware of the fact she was excellent in the positions that led her to this one or are you guys calling her DEI because you're racist assholes and are freely calling anyone black i9n a position of power DEI?

People of all races/genders who cheat get booted from academia. Here are some examples: Francesca Gino, from Harvard (white female). Diederik Staple, from Tilburg (white male), Brian Wansink, from Cornell (white male), Nicole Coleman, from Pitt (white female). This was never in doubt for Claudine, she gets a pass and keeps her job as professor. Whither white privilege?

There are scads of black people in academia in high positions with real jobs who got there honestly. They are definitely not all DEI positions. When DEI positions are filled with cheaters, however, the cause of racial justice is horribly undermined.

 

[andnowweknow]

Not everything is about being black.

Pretty sure a lot of it is residual...mostly because for hundreds of years in this country, literally everything was about or affected by being black for black folks.

The end of segregation was mere decades ago. Pendulums swing, this mentality of "sorry things were completely unequal but it's time to get over it" is unrealistic.

 

[nhbbear]

Correlation is not causation. Hiring the best people for the job makes companies successful. The myth that the left likes to spread is that hiring for diversity means that companies can now expand into new markets but when you think about it, how many jobs involve the employee having opportunities to expand the company into new markets? Sales, marketing? That's not a large percentage of the workforce. The vast majority of jobs have nothing to do with market expansion. It really doesn't matter what color the people working in the Amazon warehouses are. If the people working can get the products processed and sent out in a timely manner, then that's going to make Amazon more profitable.

My issue with these companies and schools is that many times, the people they hire and make visible is for window dressing. The only thing that matters to them is that they are seen with a minority in a position of power so long as they can function in the role, and they don’t even have to excel. That’s why these companies are hiring these candidates or putting minorities in so many commercials-just so they can say “look at us, we’re diverse!” I guarantee if Amazon did a commercial of their warehouse workers, they would have as many poc as they could.

If the candidate for a position is the most qualified or has qualities (aside from the race) I don’t care what they are or look like. I just think it is all for window dressing. Companies face tons of criticism for not having enough diversity regardless of the experience and qualifications of the top people. Some are even litigated over the issue. And pro sports are the only field where the companies (teams/league) where they are allowed or encouraged to hire only the best regardless of race or representation. Look at the nba or nfl or nhl. The demographics looking at race never accurately reflect the pop demographic. NBA is over 70% black and no one bats an eye despite being 6% (black males) of the pop demographic. NHL is almost entirely white. No one ever has criticized the nba over this issue. I have heard people complain about the nhl, however, for being “too white.” But pro sports are allowed to hire only the best candidates and players, except in the owners and the coaches. Heavy criticism is always leveled at the head coaches or owners for not being diverse enough. Hell, last year the nfl was heavily criticized for not having enough female coaches. Not a single woman has ever played in the nfl or been on a team, yet they are being pressure or in some orgs, forced to hire females or the “Rooney rule” where a certain percentage of those interviewed have to be black for head coach positions. That is absurd.

 

[Hog-train]

If the candidate for a position is the most qualified or has qualities (aside from the race) I don’t care what they are or look like. I just think it is all for window dressing. Companies face tons of criticism for not having enough diversity regardless of the experience and qualifications of the top people. Some are even litigated over the issue. And pro sports are the only field where the companies (teams/league) where they are allowed or encouraged to hire only the best regardless of race or representation. Look at the nba or nfl or nhl. The demographics looking at race never accurately reflect the pop demographic. NBA is over 70% black and no one bats an eye despite being 6% (black males) of the pop demographic. NHL is almost entirely white. No one ever has criticized the nba over this issue. I have heard people complain about the nhl, however, for being “too white.” But pro sports are allowed to hire only the best candidates and players, except in the owners and the coaches. Heavy criticism is always leveled at the head coaches or owners for not being diverse enough. Hell, last year the nfl was heavily criticized for not having enough female coaches. Not a single woman has ever played in the nfl or been on a team, yet they are being pressure or in some orgs, forced to hire females or the “Rooney rule” where a certain percentage of those interviewed have to be black for head coach positions. That is absurd.

I agree with much of what you said except about having diversity in the coaching staff. A lot of sports, the players are like 80% black. THEY themselves have said they want more diversity in coaches. Because maybe there are some things they relate to more, etc.

And in sports, even in the coaching, it's still a meritocracy. Because if you don't perform, you're out.

 

[RoastBeast]

My issue with these companies and schools is that many times, the people they hire and make visible is for window dressing. The only thing that matters to them is that they are seen with a minority in a position of power so long as they can function in the role, and they don’t even have to excel. That’s why these companies are hiring these candidates or putting minorities in so many commercials-just so they can say “look at us, we’re diverse!” I guarantee if Amazon did a commercial of their warehouse workers, they would have as many poc as they could.

If the candidate for a position is the most qualified or has qualities (aside from the race) I don’t care what they are or look like. I just think it is all for window dressing. Companies face tons of criticism for not having enough diversity regardless of the experience and qualifications of the top people. Some are even litigated over the issue. And pro sports are the only field where the companies (teams/league) where they are allowed or encouraged to hire only the best regardless of race or representation. Look at the nba or nfl or nhl. The demographics looking at race never accurately reflect the pop demographic. NBA is over 70% black and no one bats an eye despite being 6% (black males) of the pop demographic. NHL is almost entirely white. No one ever has criticized the nba over this issue. I have heard people complain about the nhl, however, for being “too white.” But pro sports are allowed to hire only the best candidates and players, except in the owners and the coaches. Heavy criticism is always leveled at the head coaches or owners for not being diverse enough. Hell, last year the nfl was heavily criticized for not having enough female coaches. Not a single woman has ever played in the nfl or been on a team, yet they are being pressure or in some orgs, forced to hire females or the “Rooney rule” where a certain percentage of those interviewed have to be black for head coach positions. That is absurd.

I agree there. The NHL is white because black people aren't as interested in hockey as white people. The same way that the majority of special needs educators are women because men aren't as interested in that line of work as women are. Now some lack of diversity can definitely come from lack of opportunities growing up and that's a shame and we should fix that but the fix should not come years later when hiring people for window dressing.

One thing you'll never see is them advocating for more diversity in lower level jobs and you'll never see them advocating for more diversity with jobs where the majority of the employees are minorities. The only time they seem to care about diversity is when the job is high level, high paying and can replace a white male with some other race, sex or sexual orientation. You'll never see them advocate to ensure less hotel maids are hispanic women or to ensure more women work as construction laborers. They only want the good jobs and they only want the power. That's all this is really about and like you said, companies are just blowing smoke up everyone's asses in an attempt to show how compassionate they are. "Hey look we have the first black lesbian on our board of directors" while they utilize child slave labor in other countries.

 

[nhbbear]

Pretty sure a lot of it is residual...mostly because for hundreds of years in this country, literally everything was about or affected by being black for black folks.

The end of segregation was mere decades ago. Pendulums swing, this mentality of "sorry things were completely unequal but it's time to get over it" is unrealistic.

Pendulums swing, but the people pushing for more diversity for diversity sake only look at numbers. They don’t ever look at whether the person is qualified or good at their jobs so long as they have a black face for window dressing. I am glad that discrimination towards blacks is less prevalent, but all people care about is “only x percent of x positions are people of color” never taking into consideration whether the employees are competent in their roles within the company.

Discrimination to end discrimination is never the answer. I personally believe that race should never be the most important factor in any field or job and would love to see race blind rounds to get to the best people for the job. Having nameless application processes would be good. Assign candidates a number, have the hiring committee only look at experience and qualifications and then move people up to the interview. I still think that companies or schools would say “well, we only have one black candidate-we should hire them” just so they can have that diversity.

See my above response about pro sports when it comes to representation. Other fields are criticized if they don’t have enough diversity regardless of skill, but not pro sports. Teams could be 100% black and no one would bat an eye. And this is for the most lucrative profession besides CEOs of large companies. All people care about when it comes to sports is entertainment. It’s a completely useless job when it comes to actual contributions to society, yet they make millions per year just to chase a ball or whatever. They are not only allowed to hire only the best regardless of race, but many jobs depend on it. When you look at actual important jobs in society, such as medical, teaching, first responders-there is heavy criticism of they don’t at least reflect the % of population. My old department got absolutely slammed because they don’t have enough diversity. We were required to spend lots of money to actively recruit applicants of color-well, only black applicants. No one ever said “your department doesn’t have enough Asians or x race demographics” only “you guys don’t have enough black officers.” The department spent a lot to go out and try to poach only black officers from other departments and were required to hire any black candidate that passed the tests, but very, very few ever did and there were very few applicants in the first place. I know this because at the end of my career, I was 4th highest ranking officer in the entire department and all of the command staff were required to come up with solutions to this “problem.” We lowered our standards to try and accomplish this goal, but we’re almost completely unsuccessful and there were actually protests and media over the issue. I had a black partner for almost three years. He was treated so incredibly bad by the black community. Can’t tell you the number of times I heard him called Uncle Tom, race traitor, and house n-word by that community. It was pretty much every single day because he and I worked a mostly black beat for three years. We both chose this beat because it was the highest crime area(of all the statistics to lead lol) and the most action, which we both sought. But despite our efforts, we couldn’t find any candidates the last few years that passed the written tests or criminal background checks. In bigger cities with higher pop of blacks, it’s not that much of an issue, but where I live, it is a problem. We had to recruit hundreds of miles away, but no worthy candidates would ever apply or accept the job due to the pay not being enough to lure them away from higher paying cities that were in the same boat and had to really fight over the few candidates that could actually pass the tests. Eligible blacks were so highly sought after, especially the females because atm, black females are the golden unicorns of almost every profession.

I don’t agree with the way blacks were discriminated against back in the day, but now straight white males are the only group you can pass up because there are simply too many of them. White males, then white females, then Asian males are the bottom of the totem pole. I work in a hospital in a predominantly white community. We have a hugely high number of Indian (sub continent, not amer indians) doctors despite the only pop of Indians in my city exclusively work in medicine, convenient stores, and a few that own a lot of properties for rent or hotels. Yet there is criticism of the number of whites employed by the hospital.

Basically, race is the most important factor, not quality. Again, no one looks at the quality of the employees, only the fact that there is x percentage of black employees in a given field. If the number is too low, there are problems. Looking at my department, it doesn’t matter that out of the total number of applicants in a given year, less than 1% were black. Almost no blacks wanted to be a cop, yet we were criticized for not hiring the few that did apply. We were supposed to ignore the criminal histories of these candidates or failing test scores. We were criticized by the naacp for our tests being too difficult or our background checks being too thorough-but they phrased it as “blacks were more highly scrutinized” than others. That is absolutely false. If you had x amount of arrests or arrests/charges/convictions for certain crimes, you would not be hired. But the naacp was fine with hiring officers convicted of felonies just so they had a black face/faces in uniform. It’s the same with the fire department. Hell, my black partner was convicted of domestic battery and fired and despite him being hated by the community, people
Lost their shit that “the only black officer was fired. He and I are still good friends and I don’t believe he did what she claimed he did. She stole his phone and found messages from another girl. She took his duty gun and tried to break it and then pointed it him. Luckily, she did not rack a round in the chamber. He shoved her and her head broke a window. So, if you believed her story, he was a violent abuser, yet still, the naacp held press conferences. None of them were from our city but from larger cities, so they didn’t know how much he, or any other black cop, was hated-yet all they cared about was that window dressing. It’s just wrong all around to care about diversity for diversity sake or just caring about the numbers and only the numbers.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

The white guy who replaced her is probably being paid that exact amount, why not wonder about why HE is being paid so much? Or the president of any organization worth tens of billions?

Shouldn't he be getting paid more?

All that I have been hearing for the last 20 years is how men get paid more than women.

 

[nhbbear]

I agree with much of what you said except about having diversity in the coaching staff. A lot of sports, the players are like 80% black. THEY themselves have said they want more diversity in coaches. Because maybe there are some things they relate to more, etc.

And in sports, even in the coaching, it's still a meritocracy. Because if you don't perform, you're out.

Well, I 100% agree that black coaches can relate more to black players than many white coaches. It doesn’t mean they are more qualified, though. But it is a quality or intangible factor that can make a difference. It’s like having female police officers or officers of other races on your dept. they can offer qualities that a white male may not be able to. There are drawbacks as well. If you read my dissertation addressed to andnowiknow, I explained the issues with my department not having enough diversity despite the hell the black officers go through by the black community. They are absolutely despised. But, I have found that a black officer or a female officer or other non-white person can resolve some issues simply because they are different without looking at their actual skill. I have had big, strong suspects surrender to female officers because it is less of a ego thing than being arrested by a male. I have also seen men want to fight because they knew they could beat up a female officer or the female officer was completely useless in a fight, however, I have found that females are better with children and definitely better with rape victims or domestic violence victims (that are women or gay). So diversity in this aspect can be a huge plus or a negative depending on the suspect/victim attitudes or demographics. So diversity can be either positive or negative. I am just against discrimination against white candidates simply because they’re white or points awarded because they are x race or certain sexual orientation.

 

[Hog-train]

I don’t agree with the way blacks were discriminated against back in the day, but now straight white males are the only group you can pass up because there are simply too many of them. White males, then white females, then Asian males are the bottom of the totem pole.

Disagree again that white women are toward the bottom of the totem pole. They shit on white men just as much, if not more, than others. And elevate themselves. They are the single group that have historically benefitted from affirmative action the most out of ANY group or race. That is a verifiable fact (through data) and not an opinion.

Even all the diversity initiatives are at the behest of super liberal white women.

Well, I 100% agree that black coaches can relate more to black players than many white coaches. It doesn’t mean they are more qualified, though. But it is a quality or intangible factor that can make a difference.

But ultimately it is about quality. Because if the black coach doesn't get wins, they get fired.

If the black coach gets more wins than a white coach, they're more qualified. Sports is the ultimate meritocracy.

I call BS that any sports team is hiring an inferior black coach simply for diversity. Winning is far too important.

 

[nhbbear]

I agree there. The NHL is white because black people aren't as interested in hockey as white people. The same way that the majority of special needs educators are women because men aren't as interested in that line of work as women are. Now some lack of diversity can definitely come from lack of opportunities growing up and that's a shame and we should fix that but the fix should not come years later when hiring people for window dressing.

One thing you'll never see is them advocating for more diversity in lower level jobs and you'll never see them advocating for more diversity with jobs where the majority of the employees are minorities. The only time they seem to care about diversity is when the job is high level, high paying and can replace a white male with some other race, sex or sexual orientation. You'll never see them advocate to ensure less hotel maids are hispanic women or to ensure more women work as construction laborers. They only want the good jobs and they only want the power. That's all this is really about and like you said, companies are just blowing smoke up everyone's asses in an attempt to show how compassionate they are. "Hey look we have the first black lesbian on our board of directors" while they utilize child slave labor in other countries.

Great response. Obviously, I agree. I always wanted more diversity in my department and in my city. More diversity means better food, but I also like interacting with people different than myself. I just don’t like discrimination for diversity sake