All Time GOAT poll

jeff7b9 said:
If you only evaluate on achievements, no one is close to Jon, he has won 15 or 16 consecutive title fights spanning a decade plus.

That's the case for Jon.
"Well everyone does steroids"

If you value honor and detract from achievements when a fighter has popped, that will disqualify Jon.

You are either in camp A or camp B but to act like it is impossible to reach the opposing conclusion is weird.
It isn't hard logic to grasp.

Anyway, please continue kicking the dead horse. Fuck that horse anyway.
And the guy who rode into town on him.
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Nope. If you disqualified jon you’re just not informed on drugs and probably believe in monsters
 
jeff7b9 said:
If you only evaluate on achievements, no one is close to Jon, he has won 15 or 16 consecutive title fights spanning a decade plus.

That's the case for Jon.
"Well everyone does steroids"

If you value honor and detract from achievements when a fighter has popped, that will disqualify Jon.

You are either in camp A or camp B but to act like it is impossible to reach the opposing conclusion is weird.
It isn't hard logic to grasp.

Anyway, please continue kicking the dead horse. Fuck that horse anyway.
And the guy who rode into town on him.
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Megatronlee said:
I really want you to be smarter.
Everyone is on steroids
Feelings don’t matter
Jon has never lost a fight ever
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Everyone might be on steroids but Jons keeps getting caught, which means he's the dumbest mofo out there sir.
 
StonedLemur said:
Everyone might be on steroids but Jons keeps getting caught, which means he's the dumbest mofo out there sir.
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Yes. That’s my realization . I got so many homes
jeff7b9 said:
Ok, so you are camp A.

What exactly are you confused about or what is the "nope" referring to?
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no I’m in camp c. Reality. And that’s the only way to view it.

Learn how steroids work.
They ain’t why he won. He won because everyone else was little and old and he was trained how to to beat em
 
Megatronlee said:
Yes. That’s my realization . I got so many homes

no I’m in camp c. Reality. And that’s the only way to view it.

Learn how steroids work.
They ain’t why he won. He won because everyone else was little and old and he was trained how to to beat em
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Ok, so you lack the capacity to grasp a differing viewpoint.

Well, thanks for clearing that up and sharing.

Feel free to dig your heels in further and pout if it will make you feel better.
 
Because the whole topic is 100% subjective. Everybody has their own criteria and disqualifiers. There is no universally accepted objective measuring criteria and there never will be. Some disqualify him because of the PED controversy, some don’t. And neither is right or wrong.
 
The current positioning of sherdog.com goat poll has Jon Jones 3rd behind Fedor and GSP. So what brought this shit back up?
 
A 100 years from now the only dude that will be remembered from 2000-2020 in the UFC is Jon Jones he is like our Rocky Marciano.

We havent had our Ali, we havent had our Tyson, we havent had our Mayweather.

Seeing people like GSP, Silva, Volk etc. called a GOAT is so laughable when you look at their history when they became champ, how many defense, how many losses.

The most defenses in UFC history currently is by Jones at 13 and if you look at boxing for example every record is currently well over 20. Also the multi weight classes is another thing, you dont think we will one day have weight classes approximating something like 140-145-150-155-160-165-170....and htat there will be a dude that can be champ in all of them or 5-6?

You dont think there will be a 42-2 with 35 finishes and 5 weight class champion 50 years from now?


Just take a second to imagine the future, when MMA is truly established and paths to a career as early as middle school exist, you will realize how none of these guys today will mean anything

When we have a more established system where a fighter can be built and his skills honed against lesser fighters. Mike Tyson had 28 fights in his first 2 boxing years. Jon Jones only fought 8 times in his first year as a pro. There just isnt that model yet or the infrastructure to develop guys that boxing has perfected but we will get there.

There will be a time when we have our Tyson. When we have some 20 year old with a 27-0 record with 25 finishes trying to become the youngest heavyweight champ of all time.

So please stop embarrassing yourself with the daily GOAT debates.
 
GOAT lists are stupid because the sport is not going to end tomorrow. Twenty years from now, everyone will shit on Jones’s opponents and say some new guy is the GOAT because of how the sport has evolved. It’s a revolving door and means nothing.
 
Nobody in the general public knows Mike Tyson's and Muhammad Ali's records and still they are legends today.

What people will remember in decades from here is stuff like Anderson Silva entering the Matrix, not how many losses he had in the tail end of his career.
 
It's questionable if anyone will be talking about MMA at all 50 years from now.
 
ILove4MinutesHyuna said:
A 100 years from now the only dude that will be remembered from 2000-2020 in the UFC is Jon Jones he is like our Rocky Marciano.

We havent had our Ali, we havent had our Tyson, we havent had our Mayweather.

Seeing people like GSP, Silva, Volk etc. called a GOAT is so laughable when you look at their history when they became champ, how many defense, how many losses.

The most defenses in UFC history currently is by Jones at 13 and if you look at boxing for example every record is currently well over 20. Also the multi weight classes is another thing, you dont think we will one day have weight classes approximating something like 140-145-150-155-160-165-170....and htat there will be a dude that can be champ in all of them or 5-6?

You dont think there will be a 42-2 with 35 finishes and 5 weight class champion 50 years from now?


Just take a second to imagine the future, when MMA is truly established and paths to a career as early as middle school exist, you will realize how none of these guys today will mean anything

When we have a more established system where a fighter can be built and his skills honed against lesser fighters. Mike Tyson had 28 fights in his first 2 boxing years. Jon Jones only fought 8 times in his first year as a pro. There just isnt that model yet or the infrastructure to develop guys that boxing has perfected but we will get there.

There will be a time when we have our Tyson. When we have some 20 year old with a 27-0 record with 25 finishes trying to become the youngest heavyweight champ of all time.

So please stop embarrassing yourself with the daily GOAT debates.
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The opinion of a lowlife fan of a lowlife fighter means zero to me.

I personally don’t think there is a male GOAT. And I have not voted in the sticky poll. But I sure as fuck know proven cheaters aren’t even in the conversation.

Btw, I was there for Ali, Tyson, and other great boxers since the early 70s. So, I’m not desperate enough to hitch my wagon to a fraud like Jones. Just so I can have MY OWN GOAT. I’ve mentioned this many times.
 
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