Social Dogs of Peace Maul Own Breeder To Death

scoopj said:
To draw an analogy, a gun safety for a dog is basically a muzzle. There should be universal laws on muzzling certain dogs when in public.
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Yes, and we have those laws just not universally. I always muzzle mine when walking them in public. They're also always on a leash that is attached to a harness (collars can sometimes break or slip off).
 
Little bit ago my dog jumped up and started acting weird. Thought maybe someone was in my driveway because he will alert to that. Then an awful smell hit me and I realized my dog freaked out over his own fart.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Its all good man, no need to apologize. I dont take any of these post that seriously. Its a contentious debate. I dont mind talking to reasonable people. However, there are many ignorant, evil, & authoritarian air heads in this thread who want to do some pretty terrible things to innocent dogs & responsible families. Thanks for clearing up your stance on some of it

My thing is this....The data, classification, and qualification used to justify Pitbulls being bad was "they are deadly weapons that killed X amount of people. "
Thats the identical argument for gun control. So the fact that you guys act like it's a reach to compare 2 deadly weapons is disingenuous & ridiculous. Its not a reach. Its very much on the mark.
I also acknowledged many posters counter argument of dogs being sentient beings. I factually countered that with the whole concept of being responsible. However, that part is completely dismissed, ignored, & not acknowledged directly.

Again, another point that is being dismissed and not addressed is that factually and by the same death statistics sighted to demonize these dogs as deadly weapons....unattended firearms kill & are responsible for way more deaths. Your gun doesn't have to self fire. The # of guns & idiot irresponsible owners that leave them out or "advertise" them for a sentient low life loser to steal and commit deadly/violent crimes with is pretty high.
So I dont disagree with what you're saying. I just believe people are conveniently not telling the whole story.

You can't logically say guns are safe due to a human element and being able to contain them, then pretend the same human element and containment doesn't also exist for domesticated pets. All while ignoring the data of deaths related to guns as you site lower death #s by pitbulls. Its a logical fallacy.
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I’m not saying the dog is a weapon though. They are not the same either imo.

Thanks for understanding and not going batshit on me though. I’m a simple man lol. I will just ask this and leave it be. You awaken in a room. There are two cages, behind each is one of these two things. An unknown pit bull lying there, and a gun. The cages open. What is more dangerous to you at that moment? Are you more scared the gun is going to fire while sitting there, or that the dog might go off?
 
Poon Goon said:
Little bit ago my dog jumped up and started acting weird. Thought maybe someone was in my driveway because he will alert to that. Then an awful smell hit me and I realized my dog freaked out over his own fart.
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deadshot138 said:
You mean desperately sputtering nonsense while ignoring facts and reality?
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So you just got busted for not being able to read & not knowing the difference between an Olde English Bulldog and a "pitbull."
You think you get to not address & skate pass you being dead wrong & demonstrating you have zero knowledge of the subject at hand?
Why did you confuse an Old English Bulldog for a Pitbull??????????

Question: Why can't I own a pitbull?
Answer: Because its a deadly weapon

Question: Is your gun a deadly weapon?
Answer: yes
Goal Post move: ....but its a sentient being

Question: OK, but 10s of thousands of sentient beings get a hold of idle inanimate guns and kill 20,000 people every year. Pitbulls only kill 37.
So which is more dangerous & the bigger problem to be outraged or pass laws over?

Answer: .............gifs.....memes.....ad hominem attacks.... copy paste propaganda......circle back to keep saying sentient.

LMAO
 
ObsoleteSoul said:
I’m not saying the dog is a weapon though. They are not the same either imo.

Thanks for understanding and not going batshit on me though. I’m a simple man lol. I will just ask this and leave it be. You awaken in a room. There are two cages, behind each is one of these two things. An unknown pit bull lying there, and a gun. The cages open. What is more dangerous to you at that moment? Are you more scared the gun is going to fire while sitting there, or that the dog might go off?
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I'm not scared or in danger of either. I bred and trained dogs more capable and dangerous towards large adult males than pitbulls. When I see a dog I do not think danger or a threat unless the dog shows clear signs of a threat (& im not counting bluffs). I've gone into people's gates to put unfamiliar adult "aggressive" Rottweilers & Cane Corsos on leads and into my vehicle.

We don't need to circumvent reality with a hypothetical. Thats 100% playing into the hysteria . "What if you were trapped in some Saw/Jigsaw horror movie scenario." Its ok my guy, I don't worry about waking up to magic cages with mythical creatures appearing out of nowhere. Worthy opinions shouldn't be based on irrational fear. A hypothetical that doesn't happen shouldn't outweigh the score of 20,000 to 37.
 
irish_thug said:
I've yet to see a mod around here maul anyone to the point of permanent disfigurement
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So you're saying you have multiple first hand experiences with confirmed Pitbulls permanently disfiguring people in front of you???
 
WklySportsMemes said:
I'm not scared or in danger of either. I bred and trained dogs more capable and dangerous towards large adult males than pitbulls. When I see a dog I do not think danger or a threat unless the dog shows clear signs of a threat (& im not counting bluffs). I've gone into people's gates to put unfamiliar adult "aggressive" Rottweilers & Cane Corsos on leads and into my vehicle.

We don't need to circumvent reality with a hypothetical. Thats 100% playing into the hysteria . "What if you were trapped in some Saw/Jigsaw horror movie scenario." Its ok my guy, I don't worry about waking up to magic cages with mythical creatures appearing out of nowhere. Worthy opinions shouldn't be based on irrational fear. A hypothetical that doesn't happen shouldn't outweigh the score of 20,000 to 37.
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Well, the reality is they are not comparable. They are two totally separate types of objects. Saying they are both weapons, or that they are somehow the same, just does not make it so. Guess we will agree to disagree then, and yeah... That is the gist of it.
 
ObsoleteSoul said:
Well, the reality is they are not comparable. They are two totally separate types of objects. Saying they are both weapons, or that they are somehow the same, just does not make it so. Guess we will agree to disagree then, and yeah... That is the gist of it.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Do you own both? Have you handled both?

A lot of that is semantics, because no 2 things are ever exactly the same. The key comparison is they both can be owned responsibly and used for protection. Or they can be neglected or left in the hands of irresponsible people and be a HUGE risk to everyone.
What would be factually incorrect about that comparison?
 
WklySportsMemes said:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Do you own both? Have you handled both?

A lot of that is semantics, because no 2 things are ever exactly the same. The key comparison is they both can be owned responsibly and used for protection. Or they can be neglected or left in the hands of irresponsible people and be a HUGE risk to everyone.
What would be factually incorrect about that comparison?
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Owned two pits when I was younger. Or, to be more precise, I lived with them and their owner for 8 years. Yes, to guns, of course.

Because one left to its own devices, can choose to go off. That’s the whole point I’m making. The gun will remain stationary and do NOTHING without some outside influences on it. The dog can do SOMETHING on its own. Yes, both can be contained under the correct circumstances, but only was has the option to do something on its own if given the chance. I honestly don't really know how to explain it any better, so if we both remain steadfast in our opinions after saying our peace, I don’t think it can go any further.

Hopefully we see more responsible owners for both. That would be great.
 
Natural Order said:
LOL @ these fucking cans advocating for some non existent right for them to own an animal that can, and regularly does, kill humans.

It's a god damn shit tier, low IQ variant in a 10,000 year old experiment and that's the one you want to die for?

Fuck outta here...
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Yeah. They deliberately ignore the point over and over; it's pointless to discuss this any further with those two.
 
irish_thug said:
I've yet to see a mod around here maul anyone to the point of permanent disfigurement.
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I think it's hilarious he's doubting the veracity of your claims. I think because this lot can't manage an honest discussion with anyone they believe that no one else can either.
 
ObsoleteSoul said:
Owned two pits when I was younger. Or, to be more precise, I lived with them and their owner for 8 years. Yes, to guns, of course.

Because one left to its own devices, can choose to go off. That’s the whole point I’m making. The gun will remain stationary and do NOTHING without some outside influences on it. The dog can do SOMETHING on its own. Yes, both can be contained under the correct circumstances, but only was has the option to do something on its own if given the chance. I honestly don't really know how to explain it any better, so if we both remain steadfast in our opinions after saying our peace, I don’t think it can go any further.

Hopefully we see more responsible owners for both. That would be great.
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Yeah its just going in circles about "sentient" and that's been addressed. We all get that you cant feed a gun dog food or feed a dog bullets. Seems like you acknowledge that responsible ownership negates the precieved risk of domesticated animals being a nuisance. Responsible gun ownership recognizes that your gun is always a risk to others if not secured by some pretty extreme measures due to what actually happens in real life with idle guns. Which is a different argument than "the gun making a decision to shoot somebody."

Fine fair enough.

Still not sure if you owned or handled pitbulls though. You kind of gave an unclear answer. I have had plenty of live in GFs but 99% of them could never really say they owned or handled my dogs even though they interacted with them a lot.
So the pitbulls you were referring to, did they ever kill somebody or viciously attack your neighbors???
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Yeah its just going in circles about "sentient" and that's been addressed. We all get that you cant feed a gun dog food or feed a dog bullets. Seems like you acknowledge that responsible ownership negates the precieved risk of domesticated animals being a nuisance. Responsible gun ownership recognizes that your gun is always a risk to others if not secured by some pretty extreme measures due to what actually happens in real life with idle guns. Which is a different argument than "the gun making a decision to shoot somebody."

Fine fair enough.

Still not sure if you owned or handled pitbulls though. You kind of gave an unclear answer. I have had plenty of live in GFs but 99% of them could never really say they owned or handled my dogs even though they interacted with them a lot.
So the pitbulls you were referring to, did they ever kill somebody or viciously attack your neighbors???
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I said I lived with them for 8 years. Kind of hard not to handle them and be a part of their life in 8 years. You might think the sentience issue doesn’t matter, but it does. A building is not the same as a fish either. Either way, wish you well with the pups and all. Keep their safeties on, and I’ll keep my mini ronin muzzled lol.
 
Andy Capp said:
I think it's hilarious he's doubting the veracity of your claims. I think because this lot can't manage an honest discussion with anyone they believe that no one else can either.
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Honest discussions dont involve:
-You ignoring the score of 37 to 20,000 deaths.

-Ignoring that responsible ownership negates the sentient being goalpost, post fact justification circle logic talking point

-Ignoring the dozens & dozens of times that one of your goof troop members post a rando dog attack claiming it was a pitbull when in reality it was not.

You don’t engage because you can't. You have nothing but parroting & propaganda to offer.

There is nothing more dishonest than watching people post debunked articles & literally ignoring the blunder to spam more. Credibility matters to people without agendas.
 
ObsoleteSoul said:
I said I lived with them for 8 years. Kind of hard not to handle them and be a part of their life in 8 years. You might think the sentience issue doesn’t matter, but it does. A building is not the same as a fish either. Either way, wish you well with the pups and all. Keep their safeties on, and I’ll keep my mini ronin muzzled lol.
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Its possible. I had a live in GF for close to that same amount of time & she never directly handled my Cane Corsos. She wanted to. I just wouldn't let her because she did not demonstrate acknowledging the risk factor. She had a teacup chihuahua we got. It drove me crazy how many times I caught her with the dog off lead in a relatively busy parking lot or area.

I did not say it doesn't matter. That's not my argument. Its a bit of a strawman there.

Well wishes instead of answering if "your" "pitbulls" ever attacked or killed someone....hmmmm. very interesting.
 
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