Law Airport executive shot in firefight with federal agents at his home in Arkansas

Well i that case it was a weird ass doomer grooming crazy cult they were dealing with, that was indeed stupid as fuck on their part.

Way to the miss the fucking point... The ATF has made several questionable fuck ups.

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Knocking down his doors at 6 am? He was the Executive Director of the airport in Little Rock. Where the fuck would he go? Was he going set fire to documents and flush a bunch of drugs down the toilet if they had casually knocked 8am and shown their arrest warrant?


Seriously, given the ATF's history and initial details of the story, this is was another colossal fuck up.
 
Search warrants can be executed at 6am. There's nothing prohibiting a warrant being executed during the day.

I'm not sure why people think federal agents should wait for people to leave the house. It's not exactly a courtesy call.

It's best to wait and see what happened before making conclusions. I do find it amusing that people are highly selective of when to be outraged by law enforcement though.

When they do something dangerous/corrupt/stupid etc. there is outrage. Being discerning is a good thing.
 
we’re worrying yet you’re the one that’s probably on a fucking list. right. got it.

I'll let OG William Cooper, another guy who was killed at home by the authorities, tell it like it is for you:



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And I'm not the one running cover for pedos, you guys are.
 
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Search warrants can be executed at 6am. There's nothing prohibiting a warrant being executed during the day.

I'm not sure why people think federal agents should wait for people to leave the house. It's not exactly a courtesy call.

It's best to wait and see what happened before making conclusions. I do find it amusing that people are highly selective of when to be outraged by law enforcement though.

I'm very pro-LEO, but let's be honest the ATF doesn't have the best track record or "minimum force necessary under the circumstances"

So far all we're hearing is dude was a desk jocky with no priors with a known routine that could lead to a lower risk operation for all involved.

If he's Kaiser Soze then by all means: no knock at 0 dark 30 and FAFO.
 
Way to the miss the fucking point... The ATF has made several questionable fuck ups.

Am i missing something on that Ruby Ridge thingie? they were trying to arrest a fugitive in the middle of the woods that was armed, sounds like a high risk thingie no matter how you look at it.

Much different than Waco, which could have been avoided by catching the guy as he made a trip to the town.
 
I'm very pro-LEO, but let's be honest the ATF doesn't have the best track record or "minimum force necessary under the circumstances"

Which American police force does though?
 
I'm very pro-LEO, but let's be honest the ATF doesn't have the best track record or "minimum force necessary under the circumstances"

So far all we're hearing is dude was a desk jocky with no priors with a known routine that could lead to a lower risk operation for all involved.

If he's Kaiser Soze then by all means: no knock at 0 dark 30 and FAFO.

What was his routine? Most people would want to be home when a search warrant is executed. 6am is early but not out of the ordinary.

The only thing I've heard is he opened fire and the agents responded. The agents could have been in the wrong but there's nothing so far that would indicate that's the case.
 
It's a fair fucking question. Just casually go to his office, hand him the warrant, done and done. For some reason they decided to go to his house at the ass crack of dawn (instead of waiting for when he isn't home) to break down the door. Smells 100% like the usual level of ATF stupidity.

Because they wanted it to be a big, flashy media event.
 
Search warrants can be executed at 6am. There's nothing prohibiting a warrant being executed during the day.

I'm not sure why people think federal agents should wait for people to leave the house. It's not exactly a courtesy call.

It's best to wait and see what happened before making conclusions. I do find it amusing that people are highly selective of when to be outraged by law enforcement though.

Maybe because it's just as dangerous to the Federal Agents as it is to the Home Owners?


In December, a jury in Corpus Christi, Tex., acquitted a 48-year-old man who spent 664 days in jail after being charged with attempted capital murder for wounding three SWAT officers during a no-knock raid that targeted his nephew. The jury concluded that the man, Ray Rosas, did not know whom he was firing at through a blinded window.



The target was a single-story ranch-style house about 50 yards off Lakeview Heights Circle. Not even four hours earlier, three informants had bought $50 worth of methamphetamine in the front yard. That was enough to persuade the county’s chief magistrate to approve a no-knock search warrant authorizing the SWAT operators to storm the house without warning.

The point man on the entry team found the side door locked, and nodded to Deputy Jason Stribling, who took two swings with the metal battering ram. As the door splintered near the deadbolt, he yelled, “Sheriff’s department, search warrant!” Another deputy, Charles Long, had already pulled the pin on the flash-bang. He placed his left hand on Deputy Stribling’s back for stability, peered quickly into the dark and tossed the armed explosive about three feet inside the door.

It landed in a portable playpen.

When the flash-bang detonated with a concussive boom, a blinding white light filled the room. The entry team rumbled in, screaming for the occupants to get to the ground. Deputy Stribling peered into the playpen with a flashlight and found 19-month-old Bounkham Phonesavanh.

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Bounkham Phonesavanh, who was known as Baby Bou Bou, in the hospital with injuries sustained from the flash-bang grenade. via Georgia Bureau of Investigation
Deputy Stribling waved off Deputy Long, who had lobbed the grenade. “Charlie, go away, you don’t need to see this,” he said.

The child, known affectionately as Bou Bou, had a long laceration and burns across his chest, exposing his ribs, and another gash between his upper lip and nose. His round, cherubic face was bloodied and blistered, spackled with shrapnel and soot. The heat had singed away much of his pillow and dissolved the mesh side of the playpen.



When the first flash-bang detonated outside the wrong end of the trailer, it did not immediately awaken the couple.

Then came a crashing thud at the door. “Hank, what was that?” Ms. White asked.

“Who is it?” Mr. Magee shouted, according to Ms. White. “Who’s there?” No answer, then another thud at the door.

Mr. Magee scrambled into his bedroom and retrieved an AR-10 semiautomatic rifle from a closet. As he re-entered the living room, the front door burst open, followed by a deafening explosion. Ms. White screamed as a dark figure crossed the threshold.

“I thought we were being robbed,” she said. “It was my worst fear, that it was like on TV with people kicking in the door and coming in.”

Mr. Magee raised the rifle and fired several times toward the door, just above Ms. White on the couch. She jumped up and dashed toward him, brushing her neck against the steaming barrel, then dropped to the floor and crawled into the bedroom.

Only then, she said, did she hear the announcement: “Burleson County Sheriff’s Office! Come out with your hands in the air.”

Mr. Magee dropped the rifle and complied. Ms. White followed him out the door, stepping over a broad-shouldered body as blood pooled on the wooden flooring. Although wearing body armor, Adam Sowders had been struck in the head.

The couple were thrown to the ground, handcuffed behind their backs and placed in separate squad cars. While waiting for what seemed like hours, Ms. White felt her baby kick for the first time, as if to signal that she was O.K.

At the county jail, Mr. Magee spoke voluntarily to a Texas Ranger, insisting that he had not heard the deputies announce themselves and that he had fired in self-defense when he saw someone bursting through the door. It did not matter. At the end of Ms. White’s interview, an investigator explained that Mr. Magee would be charged with killing a peace officer, a capital crime carrying a possible death sentence.
 
Am i missing something on that Ruby Ridge thingie? they were trying to arrest a fugitive in the middle of the woods that was armed, sounds like a high risk thingie no matter how you look at it.

Much different than Waco, which could have been avoided by catching the guy as he made a trip to the town.

A fugitive? He was at his fucking house lmao.
 
What was his routine? Most people would want to be home when a search warrant is executed. 6am is early but not out of the ordinary.

The only thing I've heard is he opened fire and the agents responded. The agents could have been in the wrong but there's nothing so far that would indicate that's the case.

Put surveillance on him, pull him over as soon as he goes to work with a marked vehicle?

You said so yourself, it's not a courtesy call. They could've easily executed the warrant while he was at work.

Lower risk of violence than kick in door and and yell "ATF Search Warrant" and hope dude hears it clearly and not think his home is being invaded.

I'll be happy to say I was wrong, just my initial thoughts.
 
Maybe because it's just as dangerous to the Federal Agents as it is to the Home Owners?


In December, a jury in Corpus Christi, Tex., acquitted a 48-year-old man who spent 664 days in jail after being charged with attempted capital murder for wounding three SWAT officers during a no-knock raid that targeted his nephew. The jury concluded that the man, Ray Rosas, did not know whom he was firing at through a blinded window.



The target was a single-story ranch-style house about 50 yards off Lakeview Heights Circle. Not even four hours earlier, three informants had bought $50 worth of methamphetamine in the front yard. That was enough to persuade the county’s chief magistrate to approve a no-knock search warrant authorizing the SWAT operators to storm the house without warning.

The point man on the entry team found the side door locked, and nodded to Deputy Jason Stribling, who took two swings with the metal battering ram. As the door splintered near the deadbolt, he yelled, “Sheriff’s department, search warrant!” Another deputy, Charles Long, had already pulled the pin on the flash-bang. He placed his left hand on Deputy Stribling’s back for stability, peered quickly into the dark and tossed the armed explosive about three feet inside the door.

It landed in a portable playpen.

When the flash-bang detonated with a concussive boom, a blinding white light filled the room. The entry team rumbled in, screaming for the occupants to get to the ground. Deputy Stribling peered into the playpen with a flashlight and found 19-month-old Bounkham Phonesavanh.

13noknock-images-slide-GSRB-tmagSF-v3.jpg

Bounkham Phonesavanh, who was known as Baby Bou Bou, in the hospital with injuries sustained from the flash-bang grenade. via Georgia Bureau of Investigation
Deputy Stribling waved off Deputy Long, who had lobbed the grenade. “Charlie, go away, you don’t need to see this,” he said.

The child, known affectionately as Bou Bou, had a long laceration and burns across his chest, exposing his ribs, and another gash between his upper lip and nose. His round, cherubic face was bloodied and blistered, spackled with shrapnel and soot. The heat had singed away much of his pillow and dissolved the mesh side of the playpen.



When the first flash-bang detonated outside the wrong end of the trailer, it did not immediately awaken the couple.

Then came a crashing thud at the door. “Hank, what was that?” Ms. White asked.

“Who is it?” Mr. Magee shouted, according to Ms. White. “Who’s there?” No answer, then another thud at the door.

Mr. Magee scrambled into his bedroom and retrieved an AR-10 semiautomatic rifle from a closet. As he re-entered the living room, the front door burst open, followed by a deafening explosion. Ms. White screamed as a dark figure crossed the threshold.

“I thought we were being robbed,” she said. “It was my worst fear, that it was like on TV with people kicking in the door and coming in.”

Mr. Magee raised the rifle and fired several times toward the door, just above Ms. White on the couch. She jumped up and dashed toward him, brushing her neck against the steaming barrel, then dropped to the floor and crawled into the bedroom.

Only then, she said, did she hear the announcement: “Burleson County Sheriff’s Office! Come out with your hands in the air.”

Mr. Magee dropped the rifle and complied. Ms. White followed him out the door, stepping over a broad-shouldered body as blood pooled on the wooden flooring. Although wearing body armor, Adam Sowders had been struck in the head.

The couple were thrown to the ground, handcuffed behind their backs and placed in separate squad cars. While waiting for what seemed like hours, Ms. White felt her baby kick for the first time, as if to signal that she was O.K.

At the county jail, Mr. Magee spoke voluntarily to a Texas Ranger, insisting that he had not heard the deputies announce themselves and that he had fired in self-defense when he saw someone bursting through the door. It did not matter. At the end of Ms. White’s interview, an investigator explained that Mr. Magee would be charged with killing a peace officer, a capital crime carrying a possible death sentence.

No one is denying there have been unfortunate situations in the past.

What do you know about the current situation though?
 
Which is of course going to prompt me to look at whatever you had typed pre-edit.

I would have just left it. I fully support the no coffee explanation.
Yeah it wasn’t anything bad, just me going on about stuff that was already fully covered in the OP. I had directed my eyes to move across the words and images in the OP, but it became clear that my brain was not processing that shit.
 
If it was a search warrant i think they were counting on the guy being cooperative, since you know, he has no prior, he is not part of a crazy grooming cult or anything.

Going in t 6am does sounds pretty weird as fuck, but i doubt they were that stupid to barge in, although i wouldn't doubt it either.
If you want an interesting read. Look into Ruby Ridge with Randy Weaver and how bad the ATF messed up and then lied to the FBI to about it and how the situation became a total shit show that led to a bunch of rules of engagement and protocols being changed. Then they went and did the whole screw up at Waco short after.
 
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